The Official Naruto series Thread

Unless he meant from an abilities/actual in-universe relevance to the plot perspective, in which case you're absolutely incorrect.

No, he said he had "nothing remarkable about him". That's an absolute. And only Sith deal in absolutes.

Astner is obviously a Sith.

He's Swedish for god's sake.

What we're giving in this chapter is not Obito's motivation but his insecurities. It's pretty obvious that Madara had some hand in this.

I wouldn't go so far as to say possession(I think that's just stupid honestly but I guess it could be possible). I like to think Obito survived or Madara healed him whatever, whereupon the latter wanted the former for an apprentice. Obito not being a douche bag says no but Madara being well evil, systematically mind rapes him with genjutsu in order to just break Obito completely, turning him into the nihilist that he is today.

That chapter was so... unfulfilling

Originally posted by socool8520
I don't know who FFS is....but sure. Are you suggesting that Madara is faster than Naruto? I hope not. It's baseless. Not to mention that headbutt didn't do much. Also the 4th had S/T which again plays to my point so don't know why you brought it up, unless you are suggesting that madara is faster than Minato as well. There's no way in hell. Madara was tagged by Tsu and A. He is not as fast as naruto or Minato. Besides, since then, how many times has naruto connected without the aid of Kakashi's sharingan? Tobi also has control of 6 Bijuu which can help with the susano'o which so far, has only shown the durability to tank a dust release. 5 to 6 bijuudama>dust release imo. Tobi only has to get Madara out of susano'o for a moment. Would it be difficult? Sure, but out of his ability, I would say no. Also, just because Tobi hasn't used other paths doesn't mean he can't. Why would Nagato and madara be able to use them, but Tobi can't?

Those examples illustrate one point: TOBI CAN BE HIT. Again it's not as though he's untouchable, you just have to figure out the "how". Madara using 6 clones and Rennigan is going to be FAR more effective than Tobi. Simple as.

As for why Tobi isn't using his other paths.. Frankly I don't know why he doesn't use them, but I didn't say he can't. Though only having 1 body to use them from doesn't do him as much good as it would do Madara and his clones.

Originally posted by socool8520
No, but besides Susano'o, what has Madara shown with his sharingan that Kakashi hasn't? Precog and genjutsu were available to kakashi as well as Madara and it did nothing to Tobi.

And even if you ignored that little bit of info, his Sharingan's STILL on a completely different level just by the grace of being an uchiha, which was something painfully pointed out by Itachi.

Kakashi hasn't attempted to use genjutsu on Tobi. 😕

Originally posted by socool8520
IDK, the only man to survive his entire face and body on fire from Amaterasu, sounds impressive to me. A didn't take amaterasu to the face so completely different circumstance. Had he got it on his face, he would be dead. What's with the sarcasm and condescending attitude? Usually I respect your posts, but you must be cranky.

Originally posted by socool8520
Nope, she needed an assload of prep time. has Madara shown an attack that explodes for 5 minutes continuously? If he has, I haven't seen it.

Originally posted by socool8520
As for Naruto, he may easily be the 1st or second fastest person in the manga, and like I said, he hasn't blitzed since iirc.

Originally posted by socool8520
http://www.mangasky.com/Naruto/565/5/

Yeah, that's what I saw.

Reason why I ask that is because of several things. Every one of them had a Sharingan AND a Rennigan eye so that could easily be implanted. They're all ET zombies so they're ALREADY under control, and Tobi STILL was having difficulty "controlling" ONE of them when it got out of hand. So yeah, again, color me unimpressed.

Originally posted by socool8520
yes, and who besides maybe A can blitz Madara? And A is slower than Naruto and A to my knowledge can't spam clones to attack you from behind. Oh, and Tobi has kamui, so he doesn't need to absorb techs like Madara. Even force push/pull has its disadvantags. The SM Naruto/Pain fight comes to mind. Besides, Madara has used it sparingly himself. some meteors that he used once and absorption. not really spamming imo. Both have been mainly relying on their own powers.

He has used it sparingly in a fight he's clowning around in. I'd say the double meteor drop alone was enough proof but the fact that he doesn't have a limitation on his shakra... that's just overkill... Like you said, just because he hasn't (well he kind of did, just not prolonged) doesn't mean he can't. Likewise, Tobi isn't as fast as A or Naruto. Tobi has to close a gap to touch Madara, while Madara can spam clones, wood tech, susanoo, fire, meteors.... and the list goes on.

Originally posted by socool8520
And I disagree. Madara, with all his amps, has been forced to use his strongest tech (perfect susano'o) to extend his life. Not much different from Tobi. Tobi didn't have what he has now in the 2 on 1 fight, but okay. Also, getting trumped by a legendary Hokage with a teleportation jutsu, or a girl that can manipulate a billion exploding tags would be an ordeal for anyone. Including Madara.

Originally posted by socool8520

Madara has taken on 5 Kages and done well. tobi has taken on naruto ( who is much stronger than the kages), kurama, kakashi, bee, and gai (all of whom are easily kage level) and until just the last chapter, has done extremely well. i really don't see madara doing any better than Tobi if the teams were switched.

Astner

Thanks for further reminding me that you're not a logician.

I wasn't arguing that you weren't an aspiring author, as anyone can claim that title. I was pointing out your lack of creativity.

I don't think you have a clear picture of what you actually said (as opposed to what you meant), because my response wasn't about being an aspiring author or about creativity.

One can be good at trolling (and trolling in all contexts isn't bad- writing is not an internet forum, and the classic 'twist ending' can be considered a form of trolling even when doing very well), and be a better writer than Tite Kubo. Also, one can even do bad trolling and still be a better writer as well. That is what I meant by false dichotomy. Noting that Kishimoto is better at trolling than Kubo does not mean he's not a better writer as well or that someone who enjoys a good trolling can't also be interested in good plot progression (your original statement treating them as mutually exclusive).

Nephthys
I disagree heavily. None of the other candidates had nearly as much emotional weight in the story. The others were all random Uchiha* who no-one cares about or has a connection with.

There was also Madara's brother.

Who no-one cares about or has a connection with.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Who no-one cares about or has a connection with.

Well, Madara does, and he's around now.

Ok, yeah but he's the villain. My point was that there needs to be investment from the good guys in order to create emotionalaaaaaaaaaaaaaqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqq1111111111111111111111111111111as <hnb

tension.

Looks like a ton of people on various manga forums are going to have to eat crow today, now that Tobi = Obito was confirmed. Never understood why so many people were so vocal in their opposition of that fact... I mean... it was obvious he was Obito since day one. A one-eyed Sharigan user, who has the opposite eye to Kakashi's and wears a mask to conceal his identity? What a mystery! Who could it be? lol

Haha

I'm loving this. laughcry

YouTube video

Hey, here's a question: Is the clone still hanging out in Kamuispace?

Also, anyone else find it interesting to see the other genin teams at the time? Gai/Ebisu/Genma. Hayate/Ibiki/some guy we don't know named Tokara. Anko and her teammates (who presumably died during Oro's cursed seal tests not long after).

Seems a lot of the big names came up at roughly the same time.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
it was obvious he was Obito since day one.

Everyone I've spoken to on the subject was theorising that Tobi was Obito, even before he was revealed as the main antagonist.

Also, funny how this one dialogueless chapter still managed to make Rin much more likeable than part I Sakura, her counterpart.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I disagree heavily. None of the other candidates had nearly as much emotional weight in the story.

I think that's part of the flawed reasoning that many Obito detractors followed, Obito is lame so he cannot probably not-be-lame. In truth, we don't know much crap about Obito other than the way he died, all that mattered about that argument is that we didn't know whether or not he died.

Now... I'm starting to wonder if Obito actually died a white hat by giving Kakashi that eye. We are currently guessing that he went from a selfless teammate who sacrificed his own eye for a pal, to a nihilistic weirdo with world ending inclinations.

So did he die and then he was helped and became someone entirely different or did he intend to fake his death from the beginning? I'm not sure that's the direction Kishi will take, but I think it would be a better twist overall.

Yeah, Sakura would have beaten Naruto up for getting punked so easily.

Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/598/3
http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/598/8

Obvious clue is obvious.

Originally posted by Tzeentch._
That's not a "clue".

Anyway, if Tobi's mask is truly shattered, he should be dead now, Being an Uchiha doesn't allow you to survive a rasengan.

Btw, I was the one who called it first.
I knew Tobi was Obito since Tobi's 1st appearance.
The name Tobi itself is as close as it gets.

Everyone knew Tobi was Obito.

Literally everyone, even if they didn't want to admit it.

then why was it shot down as a possibility whenever someone brought it up?