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^ Agreed. Hash has to pretty much show his power before Tobirama shuts up. Tobirama sure talks a big game for a no. 2

Originally posted by socool8520
^ Agreed. Hash has to pretty much show his power before Tobirama shuts up. Tobirama sure talks a big game for a no. 2

Originally posted by marwash22
pffft, i like Tobirama.

The fact that Madara couldn't deal with ONE person hating him proves Tobirama's point that he shouldn't be in the position to make decisions on behalf of a military power. He'd be wuick to catch feelings and go to war with another village just because someone stepped on his brand new shoes.

It's not so much hating him, as you know, wanting to murder him, and basically wanting to punish all the Uchiha even though they had a truce. Basically, a racist bastard

Originally posted by Astner
There's more to politics than flexing your muscles.

Apparently not, he was no. 2. And that's only because Madara didn't want the job. lol

I think Tobirama views his job as keeping his brother on track.

Originally posted by marwash22
pffft, i like Tobirama.

The fact that Madara couldn't deal with ONE person hating him proves Tobirama's point that he shouldn't be in the position to make decisions on behalf of a military power. He'd be quick to catch feelings and go to war with another village just because someone stepped on his brand new shoes.

I can get Tobirama's point, but Madara knows that Tobirama has a lot of sway and a lot of people think like him, and that the politicians and ninja likely would support him to be Hokage if something happened to Hashirama. It's not just a thin skin.

Originally posted by marwash22
pffft, i like Tobirama.

The fact that Madara couldn't deal with ONE person hating him proves Tobirama's point that he shouldn't be in the position to make decisions on behalf of a military power. He'd be quick to catch feelings and go to war with another village just because someone stepped on his brand new shoes.

Well no, that fact that that one person is still a bitter asshat and is going to be the future equivalent to a president is what he can't stand. And he was completely justified. We see that yeah, Tobirama really was planning to persecute the Uchiha.

Originally posted by socool8520
It's not so much hating him, as you know, wanting to murder him, and basically wanting to punish all the Uchiha even though they had a truce. Basically, a racist bastard

Originally posted by Q99
I can get Tobirama's point, but Madara knows that Tobirama has a lot of sway and a lot of people think like him, and that the politicians and ninja likely would support him to be Hokage if something happened to Hashirama. It's not just a thin skin.

Originally posted by AuraAngel
Well no, that fact that that one person is still a bitter asshat and is going to be the future equivalent to a president is what he can't stand. And he was completely justified. We see that yeah, Tobirama really was planning to persecute the Uchiha.

So basically you think Hashi is the only thing keeping Tobirama in check, and once Hashi dies, Tobi will disregard Hashi's example?

Well, if you believe that then it speaks volumes about what you think of Hashi as a leader. You're pretty much saying that you have no faith in Hashi's ability (while Hokage) to eventually sway the minds of the vast majority of people in the village to accept the Uchiha as brothers the way he did.

Sarutobi was a great leader. He also let Danzo get away with anything he wanted.

This is pretty much the same scenario. Whatever Hashirama did Tobirama would undo because he was a mistrusting **** who doesn't see the obvious flaw in what he is doing.

And clearly Hashirama did fail to sway the villagers since by the time Itachi was around they seemed gunghole to just out and out kill them, Sarutobi excluded.

Originally posted by marwash22
So basically you think Hashi is the only thing keeping Tobirama in check, and once Hashi dies, Tobi will disregard Hashi's example?

Well, if you believe that then it speaks volumes about what you think of Hashi as a leader. You're pretty much saying that you have no faith in Hashi's ability (while Hokage) to eventually sway the minds of the vast majority of people in the village to accept the Uchiha as brothers the way he did.

Yes, because Tobirama is an asshat.

It does say anything about Hash's leadership ability. There is no leader ever that could sway everybody. I actually did state the belief that Hash could possibly have swayed others, just not Tobirama, because he is prejudiced of the Uchiha.

Originally posted by AuraAngel
Sarutobi was a great leader. He also let Danzo get away with anything he wanted.

This is pretty much the same scenario. Whatever Hashirama did Tobirama would undo because he was a mistrusting **** who doesn't see the obvious flaw in what he is doing.

And clearly Hashirama did fail to sway the villagers since by the time Itachi was around they seemed gunghole to just out and out kill them, Sarutobi excluded.

I would say that in Itachi's time, things were different. At that point, the Uchihas were planning to rebel, so although I don't believe it was the right thing to do even then, it was more justified than when the Uchihas were actively trying to make peace.

Originally posted by AuraAngel
Sarutobi was a great leader. He also let Danzo get away with anything he wanted.

This is pretty much the same scenario. Whatever Hashirama did Tobirama would undo because he was a mistrusting **** who doesn't see the obvious flaw in what he is doing.

And clearly Hashirama did fail to sway the villagers since by the time Itachi was around they seemed gunghole to just out and out kill them, Sarutobi excluded.

Originally posted by socool8520
Yes, because Tobirama is an asshat.

It does say anything about Hash's leadership ability. There is no leader ever that could sway everybody. I actually did state the belief that Hash could possibly have swayed others, just not Tobirama, because he is prejudiced of the Uchiha.

Originally posted by marwash22

So you think Tobirama is an azzhole on such a level that even if Hashi had swayed the vast majority of the village to accept the Uchiha, that he would have gone against the will of the people and wiped the Uchiha's out anyway?

With people like Danzou around, I think he could have. Like you said, I think he is that much of an asshat

i disagree. Tobirama didn't have the same relationship Saru had with Danzo. I seriously doubt Danzo would be able to convince Tobirama to do anything he didn't want to do, and i don't think Tobi is the monster you peeps are making him out to be.

I think if things had played out with Hashi being Hokage for a long time, i honestly think he would have swayed the villagers to accept the Uchiha... and if that had happened, the Uchiha would become loyal, proving to Tobi that they could be trusted and he would have had no reason to continue to want them dead... unless they stepped out of line again.

It wouldn't be that hard to convince Tobirama of something he had already wanted to do. lol

ahuh

I like how this chapter leads up to Tobirama putting the Uchihas in the ninja equivalent of tenements aka the Uchiha Police.

So...is Kishis trying to make us feel sympathetic for Madara cause I liked him better when he was just an awesome condescending prick.

As for Madara's emotions getting the better of him....can't be any worse than the Raikages.

Raikage's are too prideful.

But they're still good leaders when they need to be. For instance A was able to sacrifice a mook while Hiruzen had to kill one of Konoha's best at the time. On top of that the 3rd Raikage received no repercussions from his kidnappings.

Just saying that Madara wouldn't have been too bad.

Tobirama is the only likable character among the three. He's not hopelessly gullible like his older brother and he's not a sociopath like Madara.

No he's just a complete idiot.

Kid Tobirama: "We need to start making truces to keep peace!"

*Hashirama eventually makes a truce*

Tobirama: "**** truces."