The manga implies that shinobi from the warring clans era are just at a whole new level of monster compared to even shinobi like Minato. Sure Minato and Hiruzen may perhaps comparatively more talent but they don't have the experience. And Tobirama is a veritable genius in his own right for the invention of the Edo Tensei.
well that's probably because it has yet to seriously show Hashirama and Tobirama fight at full strength, but now we will be seeing how they do things in this fight. as for Minato... I think he was called the most powerful shinobi Konoha has ever produced and Hashirama and his bro were one of the few who founded Konoha, having come from somewhere else entirely, so they may have been included in that statement. so Minato is probably the 3rd strongest hokage after those two.
Originally posted by Q99
Aside from the big two, I really don't get that impression.
You mean other than the constant warring and battles that would require better skills and reactions as a combatant?
While I highly doubt most average ninja from that era are comparable to or better than Minato, on average, those ninja are going to be more powerful than the current era average ninja, and Tobirama is not an average ninja.
Originally posted by Zack Fair
I was letdown by Naruto's lack of surprise to Minato's appearance. It is like he gets to see Minato every single day. Then again Kishi might have been lazy and will expand on that next chapter.Can't wait.
They are both sensors.
Originally posted by Damborgson
Lmao, when I saw Minato's kunai it made the whole chapter worth it. Prior to that it wasn't too amazing.
Tobi's argument and Kakashi's '***k your bullshit* was nice. We both know Kakashi's gonna kick some ass now, even if he should logically be getting his shit pushed in.
Originally posted by Demonic PhoenixThey are both sensors.
I understand Naruto might sense him similar to how Madara jizzed over Hashirama's chakra. Kishimoto should've at least given us a similar panel? (Now watch as it is mentioned he sensed him off-panel next chapter) I still felt it was kind of odd how Naruto is all 'Hey cool. Dad is back kicking ass. Sup, dawg? ' Playin' it cool and all. Naruto has either grown up or is so fkn tired he can't really register what is happening anymore.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Tobi's argument and Kakashi's '***k your bullshit* was nice. We both know Kakashi's gonna kick some ass now, even if he should logically be getting his shit pushed in.
Speaking of Tobi...did he just forget he has a Rinnegan for the sake of the plot? Cause he could've just absorbed the raikiri instead of having a huge hole in his chest.
Originally posted by Zack Fair
I understand Naruto might sense him similar to how Madara jizzed over Hashirama's chakra. Kishimoto should've at least given us a similar panel? (Now watch as it is mentioned he sensed him off-panel next chapter) I still felt it was kind of odd how Naruto is all 'Hey cool. Dad is back kicking ass. Sup, dawg? ' Playin' it cool and all. Naruto has either grown up or is so fkn tired he can't really register what is happening anymore.
Yeah, but I'm glad Kishi didn't. He wastes enough panels as it is.
Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Speaking of Tobi...did he just forget he has a Rinnegan for the sake of the plot? Cause he could've just absorbed the raikiri instead of having a huge hole in his chest.
Ever since he lost the paths, he's forgotten about his Rinnegan. Prolly why he solely used Kamui when he was taking on Bee, Gai, Kakashi & Naruto.
Originally posted by Zack Fair
Tobi just wanted Kakashi to fill his hole....
what?
You mean Kakashi wants to fill Tobi's hole. He's got a lot of stamina now after all.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
You mean other than the constant warring and battles that would require better skills and reactions as a combatant?
While I highly doubt most average ninja from that era are comparable to or better than Minato, on average, those ninja are going to be more powerful than the current era average ninja, and Tobirama is not an average ninja.
Except the villages still fight a lot (we've still got a full four world wars, an unknown number of smaller wars, plus lotsa smaller missions), and have more resources for training, and more old nin to do the teaching.
The ninja village system of spending years until a ninja is 12 before deploying them, rather than kids, would on average make more skilled ninja on base, IMO.
I mean... I guess the constant war is going to produce some outliers, but the higher casualties are also going to keep things down a bit. Shorter lifetimes have a role.
Originally posted by Q99
Except the villages still fight a lot (we've still got a full four world wars, an unknown number of smaller wars, plus lotsa smaller missions), and have more resources for training, and more old nin to do the teaching.The ninja village system of spending years until a ninja is 12 before deploying them, rather than kids, would on average make more skilled ninja on base, IMO.
I mean... I guess the constant war is going to produce some outliers, but the higher casualties are also going to keep things down a bit. Shorter lifetimes have a role.
It was incomparable to what existed before Hashirama created the villages, in that those wars were relatively brief periods of conflict. Madara spent the bulk of his publicly known lifetime in a period of war. The Villages era also had more espionage-esque conflicts that we know of.
"Knowledge gained from experience is more important that the one gained from books"
A higher casualty rate more likely means that the ones who could survive were smart/strong enough to stay alive, and that as a result, would be better equipped for combat than they would be if they lived during the Villages Era.
Originally posted by Damborgson
True. 👆I liked Kakashi telling Tobi off like that.
Same here. Tobi really needs to get laid, or his ass kicked.