The Official Naruto series Thread

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
As far as I'm concerned, she did. Combat wise with regen and everything, I believe most of us agreed that she was on the level of an S-. It was her kickass feats as a medic/chakra powerhouse (such as saving nearly everyone in Konoha when Pain busted the village) that made her S. Sakura's a damn good medic, but she isn't on Tsunade's level yet; she hasn't displayed Regeneration like Tsunade's (though she should likely have it) and she hasn't yet shown the ability to use a summon like Katsuyu.

Sage Mode Naruto would demolish Sakura in combat.

Tsunade is also more proven in actual combat with an uber Madara even landing a hit.

If Madara was not in his ET body, he'd be dead. 😐

I wouldn't want to fuuck with Tsunade even if I were someone as badass as Jiraiya. She may not be as physically fast as people like Kakashi but she's got reflexes on par with any kage besides Minato and the Raikages.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Tsunade is also more proven in actual combat with an uber Madara even landing a hit.

If Madara was not in his ET body, he'd be dead. 😐

I wouldn't want to fuuck with Tsunade even if I were someone as badass as Jiraiya. She may not be as physically fast as people like Kakashi but she's got reflexes on par with any kage besides Minato and the Raikages.

I failed to specify in the post you quoted, but I was talking about Tsunade pre-Byakugou, when she didn't have that feat. And it's not like she was taking Madara on alone.

Not really. She busted a wood clone.

No shit. But if they were to fight, my money would be on Jiraiya, barring prep from Tsunade's end where she spikes his drink.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
I failed to specify in the post you quoted, but I was talking about Tsunade pre-Byakugou, when she didn't have that feat. And it's not like she was taking Madara on alone.

In the instance she landed a hit, she was taking him on alone.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Not really. She busted a wood clone.

Currently, I think it was the ET Body that she punched a hole through.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
No shit. But if they were to fight, my money would be on Jiraiya, barring prep from Tsunade's end where she spikes his drink.

Mine wouldn't. I'd give it to Tsunade 6 out of 10 times since she has the speed to keep up with Jiraiya.

Originally posted by dadudemon
In the instance she landed a hit, she was taking him on alone.

Your proof that Madara's attention was solely focused on her, and that it was her abilities alone that let her land that hit?
When there are 4 other ninjas around, you can't say for certain that she was fighting him all by herself, not when the Kages were close-by, and knew they couldn't beat him unless they worked together.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Currently, I think it was the ET Body that she punched a hole through.

The body that was busted and subsequently sealed was stated to be a wood clone.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Mine wouldn't. I'd give it to Tsunade 6 out of 10 times since she has the speed to keep up with Jiraiya.

I disagree based on the fact that Jiraiya has an amp that gives him enough speed to outspeed her, and enough durability and damage soak to tank whatever Tsunade throws at him.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Your proof that Madara's attention was solely focused on her,

Your proof that he was distracted, please.

Cause it looks like both Tsunade and Madara were shit talking and she blitzed him, here:

http://www.mangahere.com/manga/naruto/v60/c577/8.html
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/naruto/v60/c577/9.html

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
The body that was busted and subsequently sealed was stated to be a wood clone.

You're right but the ability of that body is not weaker than Madara: it had all his techs.

She also got a hit or two on the real Madara before she went super saiyan.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
I disagree based on the fact that Jiraiya has an amp that gives him enough speed to outspeed her, and enough durability and damage soak to tank whatever Tsunade throws at him.

Well, that's clearly wrong: Susano'o clearly offers an absurd amount of protection and Tsunade clearly damaged it. 🙂

Clearly. 🙂

I'd have to agree with Demonic on this, Jiraiya>Tsunade. Sure she is strong, but what of her range? Jiraiya doesn't even have to get close to pwn her. She is not fast enough imo to blitz Jiraiya. Sure she blitzed Madara, but he was basically playing with her and the rest of the kages. jiraiya knows her power and would not take her lightly.

Also, I agree with Demonic that Sakura is an a/A+. I still currently see her techs a step below Tsunades, and she still has shit for ranged attacks, unless we assume that she lands haymakers 100%.

I also found it funny that she thinks she has caught up to Naruto and Sasuke. lol She is still the weak link by far. Hell, Naruto had to dumb back down to just FRS for them to be somewhat even.

Naruto is so far ahead of his peers it's ridiculous, unless Sasuke has something up his sleeve we don't know about.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Your proof that he was distracted, please.

Cause it looks like both Tsunade and Madara were shit talking and she blitzed him, here:

http://www.mangahere.com/manga/naruto/v60/c577/8.html
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/naruto/v60/c577/9.html

Look again.

Madara is on the ground below the Kages, and the Kages are all in a line here .
Madara is in the air, and the Kages are all over the place here.

Tsunade flat out blitzing Madara from their locations in the first link is laughable, seeing as A couldn't blitz Madara.

Originally posted by dadudemon
You're right but the ability of that body is not weaker than Madara: it had all his techs.

She also got a hit or two on the real Madara before she went super saiyan.

I never said it was weaker than the original. You said he'd be dead were it not for the fact that he was an ET Zombie which I countered. You were wrong.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Well, that's clearly wrong: Susano'o clearly offers an absurd amount of protection and Tsunade clearly damaged it. 🙂

Clearly. 🙂

Oh she'll damage Jiraiya, no doubt about that. But he won't be one-shot or put down. And that's assuming he allows himself to get hit in the first place. 🙂

Factor in in his superior versatility, amp, speed, ninjutsu, genjutsu, summons, etc. etc. and he clearly wins.

Clearly. 🙂

Originally posted by socool8520

I also found it funny that she thinks she has caught up to Naruto and Sasuke. lol

Naruto is so far ahead of his peers it's ridiculous, unless Sasuke has something up his sleeve we don't know about.

Heh, she'd be S+ or higher if she had caught up to them. That, or the more likely PIS.

Dude, it's Sasuke.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix

Dude, it's Sasuke.

As much as I hate to say it, you're right. Although, I believe that currently, Naruto would WTF pwn Sasuke.

Sakura just used an enemy as a projectile by punching it. Super strength is range.

Originally posted by socool8520
I believe that currently, Naruto would WTF pwn Sasuke.

Originally posted by Q99
Sakura just used an enemy as a projectile by punching it. Super strength is range.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Look again.

Madara is on the ground below the Kages, and the Kages are all in a line here .
Madara is in the air, and the Kages are all over the place here.

Tsunade flat out blitzing Madara from their locations in the first link is laughable, seeing as A couldn't blitz Madara.

All of that is irrelevent because of what I posted (seriously):

both Tsunade and Madara were shit talking and she blitzed him, here:

http://www.mangahere.com/manga/naruto/v60/c577/8.html
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/naruto/v60/c577/9.html

They were not all attacking...nothing was happening. She blitzed him, frontal assault, fair and square. 🙂

Downplay Tsunade, more, please.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
I never said it was weaker than the original. You said he'd be dead were it not for the fact that he was an ET Zombie which I countered. You were wrong.

Cool and I said this:

"Currently, I think it was the ET Body that she punched a hole through."

Moving the goal posts does not make me anymore wrong. What's the actual point I made: that if that were the real Madara, he'd be dead.

Also, I don't think that was a wood clone she punched because it did the clay splatter thing so it was clearly not a wood clone. It was replaced, quickly, somehow, with a wood clone during the moments after she punched through it and right before it was sealed.

I just simply reject your downplay of Tsunade's feat. Squabble about the little details all you want: that's not the point. You'll never convince me that it was a wood clone because I interpret the words and panels differently based on how the supposed "clone" acted when hit.

Unless you have a way to prove that the Wood Clones can imitate the ET clay bodies, it was Madara's ET Body and not the wood clone she punched.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Oh she'll damage Jiraiya, no doubt about that. But he won't be one-shot or put down. And that's assuming he allows himself to get hit in the first place. 🙂

Factor in in his superior versatility, amp, speed, ninjutsu, genjutsu, summons, etc. etc. and he clearly wins.

Clearly. 🙂

I did. Madara >>> Jiraiya.

And one hit is all it takes for an all out Tsunade to one-shot Jiraiya...and she can clearly tag a speedster unless you're going to say Madara is not a speedster.

Lemme point out how Madara's wood clones are themselves S-class.

Originally posted by marwash22

that's a stretch.

What stretch? She just did it. She punched a monster and it hit a half-dozen other monsters.

it's a stretch calling super strength a range attack.

how often is that going to be an option in a fight? No one is gonna stand still and let you punch something into them. Even if she threw heavy stuff at people, that would only be effective against really, REALLY slow opponents.

In order for super strength to be a legitimate ranged attack, she'd have to get to Toguro's level where she'd be able to use finger bullets.

Originally posted by marwash22
In order for super strength to be a legitimate ranged attack, she'd have to get to Toguro's level where she'd be able to use finger bullets.

I think picking up and throwing stuff counts as ranged. That's no different than punching stuff or....thunderclapping.

Originally posted by marwash22
it's a stretch calling super strength a range attack.

how often is that going to be an option in a fight? No one is gonna stand still and let you punch something into them. Even if she threw heavy stuff at people, that would only be effective against really, REALLY slow opponents.

It just, like, hit a bunch of opponents and they weren't standing still.

Also, when she punches rock, it makes shrapnel.

In order for super strength to be a legitimate ranged attack, she'd have to get to Toguro's level where she'd be able to use finger bullets. [/B]

I think it just needs to be at a level where you can hit stuff. It's normally even faster than running up and punching someone, and that's a commonly effective move.

Speaking of which, her speed seems to have gone up too- she jumped after the flying monster with nice speed.

Hm, I suppose it makes sense boosting your strength boosts your leg muscles and lets you launch yourself faster, doesn't it?

Originally posted by dadudemon
I think picking up and throwing stuff counts as ranged. That's no different than punching stuff or....thunderclapping.

Super Strength is not really much range. Sure you can do some stuff, but it does not compare to someone spamming Amaterasu.

i'm with marwash 100%

Originally posted by Zack Fair
Super Strength is not really much range. Sure you can do some stuff, but it does not compare to someone spamming Amaterasu.

Conversely, it can do stuff Amaterasu can't, like destroy the terrain and create a lot of cover. It's got versatility beyond burning stuff.

I do think gaining Yin seal (and thus a buncha chakra) as well as by far the greatest strength we've seen only bumping her up one category is very low-balled. It's not like she's lost her other stuff either, she still has her knock-out bombs, healing, poison kunai, etc. etc..

Amaterasu can destroy terrain via burning stuff, and can create cover via burning incoming attacks.

Do you even lift?

Originally posted by NemeBro
I'll thunderclap your ass boy.

concede this battle now.