The Official Naruto series Thread

Originally posted by socool8520
Wow, really? That's a little much even for you man.

I've known Blax longer than you have been alive, I will talk to him how I want.

Kakashi was obviously training a good deal considering he was making up his own techs before Obito could even make a decent fireball.

Prove that he was training a good deal. He is also a genius, you forget.

Not to mention he did fight in a WAR...that is better than training.

So did Obito.

How did Obito fair? Oh yeah..he was smashed under a rock.

He was smashed under a rock because he saved Kakashi's life. Said rock would have crushed Kakashi were it not for Obito. You would do well to remember that, boy.

Kakashi was involved in several actual fights ranging from Zabuza to current time so it's not like he has been slacking off.

No one said he has been. Only that he hasn't trained or struggled nearly as hard as Obito has. Try to keep up.

Obito has fought, what, Konan and now Naruto/Kakashi? I would include Minato but that wasn't really a fight, it was more of an owning in Minato's favor.

No it wasn't.

He also killed that army of ninja that were about to kill an unconscious Kakashi.

Originally posted by Tzeentch._
There are zero scenes where Kakashi takes a
shit.
I guess Kakashi's physical anatomy doesn't
require him to take a shit.
Or, more likely, what I said above. In any
series, space is a premium, therefore there is
no point in showcasing extra scenes that
aren't necessary. Most of the jounin and up
characters in the series don't have any scenes
showing them train. No one is assuming that
"durr I guess they just magically received their
powers one day then", though.

Kakashi obviously trains. But he also seems to not train to any extraordinary extent or as much as Obito was.

Why is this?

Because panel time is devoted towards Obito struggling and training, and a big deal is made of it. The same can not be said of Kakashi.

Seriously, I'm not even trying. Back down before I continue to demonstrate how bad at this you are.

Okay, prepare your anus for my post:

Kakashi trains so hard that he almost dies. He trains to the brink. Remember when he was scaling the cliff with one arm and almost died because he had nothing left? Then he succeeded because he opened the first gate?

BOOOYAH!!! He literally trained to the brink and then went above and beyond. 🙂

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You mean the scene where he explicitly states he is out of shape? If he trained like that regularly he should not be out of shape.

But he is probably training that hard because Orochimaru just showed up and could have killed him.

Originally posted by AuraAngel
You mean the scene where he explicitly states he is out of shape? If he trained like that regularly he should not be out of shape.

But he is probably training that hard because Orochimaru just showed up and could have killed him.

You do know that nothing in your post works to disprove the amazing amount of truth I just slapped on this thread, right?

Nothing.

Absolutely nothing.

Then let's add in that Kakashi's stamina has greatly increased since he made his statement to Sasuke when he was training Sasuke for the Chunin Exam.

Hint hint...wink wink...I'm right. 🙂
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This argument...

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
I'm surprised that you people are focusing on the training bs and not this, considering this played a huge part into why Kakashi was shown as the winner

Also, Aura, forgot about mentioning this, but that dude should be subjected to 1000 years of death for that comparison.

This is what people wanted to hone in on. What can ya do?

He also compared Obito to the Xbox One. Granted this guy has never liked Obito so he honestly wouldn't care that Kakashi won a fight he had no business winning so easily. But there ya go.

Oh and predictions for what will happen next:

Spoiler:
Obito revives Madara and Rin, who is at Konoha and has to travel very far to get anywhere near the action. During the fight Hinata, Sakura, and Sasuke all die. Naruto gets with Rin to make Obito roll over in his grave. The end.

Would not hate such a pairing honestly.

Originally posted by AuraAngel
This argument...

I can't help it if I am right. 313

It is difficult to argue with facts instead of assumptions.

Originally posted by AuraAngel
This argument...

This is what people wanted to hone in on. What can ya do?

He also compared Obito to the Xbox One. Granted this guy has never liked Obito so he honestly wouldn't care that Kakashi won a fight he had no business winning so easily. But there ya go.

Oh and predictions for what will happen next:

Spoiler:
Obito revives Madara and Rin, who is at Konoha and has to travel very far to get anywhere near the action. During the fight Hinata, Sakura, and Sasuke all die. Naruto gets with Rin to make Obito roll over in his grave. The end.

Would not hate such a pairing honestly.

War for KMC Forums imminent. I want to see your kickass e-mask made for internet wars.

Facepalm myself. WTF does training have to do with this anymore anyway?

How did he compare Obito to the Xbox 180? haermm
Kakashi is powered by plot. Kishi really should not have invented Kamui.

For the lulz, he'll seal the Three-Tails in her again.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
War for KMC Forums imminent. I want to see your kickass e-mask made for internet wars.

Facepalm myself. WTF does training have to do with this anymore anyway?

How did he compare Obito to the Xbox 180? haermm
Kakashi is powered by plot. Kishi really should not have invented Kamui.

For the lulz, he'll seal the Three-Tails in her again.

Huh? O:

Dunno. Madara hasn't trained in years and he's still better than well everyone.

He doesn't really give a reason. Here just watch it yourself lol.

YouTube video

No but seriously the drug addicts thing made me mad.

Thing is I don't mind Obito's version of Kamui. It is a stupid broken move and doesn't make sense with the whole eye theme. But for the Big Bad it works and his Kamui does have enough weaknesses that I think it works in the story. Not as broken as Aizen's Shikai at the very least.

Would be awesome.

Originally posted by NemeBro
No one said that though. Kakashi obviously trains.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Kakashi doesn't work hard at all for what he gets though, he is the talented ****er with hax powers who didn't work for shit yet ends up better than most.

Assertion
But he also seems to not train to any extraordinary extent or as much as Obito was.

Evidence
Because panel time is devoted towards Obito struggling and training, and a big deal is made of it. The same can not be said of Kakashi.

Your evidence doesn't support your assertion. You're committing a non-sequitier. That might wow your wal-mart co-workers, but us regular people are unimpressed.

"Doesn't work hard" =/= "doesn't work".

I'll admit to indulging in a bit of hyperbole when I said "doesn't work for shit", because I am an adult who can admit when he has said something somewhat misleading, unlike some half-witted half-breeds.

Try to keep up.

Also, non-sequitier? Did you perhaps mean, non-sequitur?

My evidence does not support my assertion?

Apparently, my assertion is that he doesn't train to an extraordinary extent or as much as Obito.

My evidence is that we see Obito's hax sissy training and don't see nearly as much from Kakashi, and that a bigger deal is made of how hard Obito had to work.

That doesn't support my assertion how, now? Are you something of a dumb animal?

Stick to posing as a girl online for attention son.

Originally posted by NemeBro
"Doesn't work hard" =/= "doesn't work".

Read my posts about this topic, cretin.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Also, non-sequitier? Did you perhaps mean, non-sequitur?

My evidence does not support my assertion?

Apparently, my assertion is that he doesn't train to an extraordinary extent or as much as Obito.

Based on evidence, I disagree with your assertion. At no point did Tobi train to the point of near death.

Originally posted by NemeBro
[B]I'll admit to indulging in a bit of hyperbole

Concession accepted.

My evidence is that we see Obito's hax sissy training and don't see nearly as much from Kakashi, and that a bigger deal is made of how hard Obito had to work.

I'm waiting, son.

No, I don't have to prove a negative.

Kakashi is clearly portrayed as the genius with talent, Obito as the hard-working assmonkey. We see this with almost every relationship in the series. Neji and Rock Lee. Naruto and Sasuke. Orochimaru and Jiraiya. Kakashi and Guy, come to think of it.

I can see why you missed this dynamic. It is only one of the core elements of the series.

On a random note:

http://www.mangapanda.com/93-43-15/naruto/chapter-38.html

Naruto used to be such a cool guy, lol.

And why aren't you on Skype?

Originally posted by NemeBro
No, I don't have to prove a negative.

Kakashi is clearly portrayed as the genius with talent, Obito as the hard-working assmonkey. We see this with almost every relationship in the series. Neji and Rock Lee. Naruto and Sasuke. Orochimaru and Jiraiya. Kakashi and Guy, come to think of it.
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Being a genius =\= not having to train as much. Neji trained his ass off, Sasuke did as well. The established difference between a genius and a retard is what the results of their respective training is, not how much training they put into it in the first place. Considering that this entire discussion stems from you and Aura's butthurt about Kakashi allegedly not having to work for his powers, it's a bit late to pull back to an argument of semantics. Furthermore, you're changing arguments up. I'm glad you finally dropped the on-panel training time shenanigans doe. You were looking bad.

NO IM NOT ON SKYPE **** U

Originally posted by AuraAngel
Huh? O:

Dunno. Madara hasn't trained in years and he's still better than well everyone.

He doesn't really give a reason. Here just watch it yourself lol.

YouTube video

No but seriously the drug addicts thing made me mad.

Thing is I don't mind Obito's version of Kamui. It is a stupid broken move and doesn't make sense with the whole eye theme. But for the Big Bad it works and his Kamui does have enough weaknesses that I think it works in the story. Not as broken as Aizen's Shikai at the very least.

Would be awesome.

You didn't care about the forum argument. Therefore, I was predicting a meltdown akin to Tobi's, since he's your favourite Naruto character, and you want to show Kishi how it's done.

He does have shitloads of experience though. But meh, whatever. Still don't get how training factors into the stupidity inherent to Kakashi stomping the shit out of a ninja who is supposed to be far more powerful.

"This chapter revolves around my favourite character...Obitoooo!" Proceeds to state that Obito is the new Xbone. haermm
He made a couple of fair points IMO, but yeah, the drug addicts thing was stupid. Madara's a drug dealer (made me laugh actually). People do not feel sorry for drug addicts or try to help them? Dude. facepalm

I was specifically talking about Kakashi's Kamui, since he could quite literally one-shot anything in the manga now that cannot move nearly as fast as Minato. Obito's Kamui is alright, seeing as he was the big bad for a while, and they tend to have overpowered shit. And most importantly, he trolled others with it to good effect.

I'm still under the impression that Obito just doesn't want to win. If he had wanted to win, he would have. I mean, when they were stabbing each other, why didn't Obito just phase out leaving only his stabbing arm or something? I may have missed something though, I read through it pretty quickly. (I've been more interested in The Breaker lately).

Originally posted by AuraAngel

Dunno. Madara hasn't trained in years and he's still better than well everyone.

True..but he was brought back in his prime which was when he was training pretty hard. lol

That, and he has the juubi on his side.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
You didn't care about the forum argument. Therefore, I was predicting a meltdown akin to Tobi's, since he's your favourite Naruto character, and you want to show Kishi how it's done.

He does have shitloads of experience though. But meh, whatever. Still don't get how training factors into the stupidity inherent to Kakashi stomping the shit out of a ninja who is supposed to be far more powerful.

"This chapter revolves around my favourite character...Obitoooo!" Proceeds to state that Obito is the new Xbone. haermm
He made a couple of fair points IMO, but yeah, the drug addicts thing was stupid. Madara's a drug dealer (made me laugh actually). People do not feel sorry for drug addicts or try to help them? Dude. facepalm

I was specifically talking about Kakashi's Kamui, since he could quite literally one-shot anything in the manga now that cannot move nearly as fast as Minato. Obito's Kamui is alright, seeing as he was the big bad for a while, and they tend to have overpowered shit. And most importantly, he trolled others with it to good effect.

Please. Just cause my favorite character is Tobi doesn't mean I'm likely to act like him. And remember that way back in the day we decided you were Tobi and I was Sasuke. I'll just burn it all to the ground. uhuh

Well as you can tell Obito really isn't his favorite. He actually takes the hate a tad far(I am offended that his fireball is as big as Madara's or something). And honestly people should hate Obito for a lot of reasons. Like the thousands of people he has killed. His behavior is nothing next to how many people have died because of his actions.

Actually that's a good point. Once Kakashi escapes the Kamui world he could just Kamui Madara into the other dimension. Problem solved...well still the Juubi but they're handling it. And while Obito's Kamui is broken it's one weakness does force his opponents and himself to be creative.

He liked Tobi just fine. It was his reaction to his identity that made him turn against the character.

YouTube video

His reactions pretty funny though.