Originally posted by AuraAngel
Obito was given the Senju DNA but he had to practice, quite a lot, to even be able to walk. As opposed to Kakashi who just immediately got the Sharingan and had it down pat. Even most Uchiha can't use it as well as Kakashi according to Itachi. He didn't even have to improve his only technique since Obito's Sharingan gave him all he needed.
I guess it can be assumed that Kakashi "got it down pat" since he's a genius, but I don't think it was that easy. The chakra constraints and the fatigue that the Uchihas feel would be even worse for him. Besides, Kakashi had to work on Kamui, something that Obito seemed to be able to do much earlier.
Originally posted by AuraAngel
Obito's only truly handed out power was his MS, which he had to do nothing for. As for the Rinnegan? Well Obito might not have needed to train in order to use it but he DID have to plot and plan for years in order to get the Bijuu for his plan. In case you missed it Obito was challenging the WORLD as a whole and that takes way more work than anything Kakashi has ever shown.
Yeah, he plotted and planned, but he never really had to do anything himself (battle wise). He let everyone think that Pain was the leader, even used his power to seal the bijuu, and let Naruto take down his most powerful barrier to obtaining the rinnegan. True, he started a war, but how would he have fared without help? Without Kabuto, he would have been screwed, and again he didn't really do anything until Naruto showed up. Kakashi was in his fair share of scrapes in that same time period and gaining experience in actual war.
In my opinion, Obito is more ambitious than Kakashi, but as far as physical training goes, there isn't really a big difference
Originally posted by socool8520
I guess it can be assumed that Kakashi "got it down pat" since he's a genius, but I don't think it was that easy. The chakra constraints and the fatigue that the Uchihas feel would be even worse for him. Besides, Kakashi had to work on Kamui, something that Obito seemed to be able to do much earlier.
No it pretty much was easy. And Kakashi's chakra constraints have disappeared and his inexperience with Kamui last about 4 chapters. After his initial use he could basically use it faster than he could move and the plot needed to come up with reasons for him not to use it.
Originally posted by socool8520
Yeah, he plotted and planned, but he never really had to do anything himself (battle wise). He let everyone think that Pain was the leader, even used his power to seal the bijuu, and let Naruto take down his most powerful barrier to obtaining the rinnegan
All of that means he is smart, not adverse to hard work. Besides a Big Bad shouldn't have to get involved when he has collected a rag tag team of lesser Bads to do the work for him.
Originally posted by socool8520
True, he started a war, but how would he have fared without help? Without Kabuto, he would have been screwed, and again he didn't really do anything until Naruto showed up.
Glad you asked. He would have gone to Turtle Island once getting the info from Kisame, like he originally planned to do, and would have beaten up all of them before the Kage could react.
Originally posted by socool8520
Kakashi was in his fair share of scrapes in that same time period and gaining experience in actual war.In my opinion, Obito is more ambitious than Kakashi, but as far as physical training goes, there isn't really a big difference
We've seen Kakashi fight more yes. But we've also seen Kakashi fight more than Lee. Now who of the two is the harder worker?
He is. But we've also seen him do more conventional training than Kakashi.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Kakashi doesn't work hard at all for what he gets though, he is the talented ****er with hax powers who didn't work for shit yet ends up better than most.Obito has struggled far more than Kakashi for what he has.
How has Obito struggled more for his powers? He was a talentless shithead for his entire life until he got crushed under a rock, and then Madara gave him a bunch of cool powers and personally trained him (or had the Zetsu's do so anyway). Even before Kakashi received the sharingan, he was a rising star in Konoha and was considered one of the best if not the best of his generation of ninja.
Obito trained really hard in Konoha. He failed. Kakashi on the other hand didn't seem to train that much and was just simply better. We've seen Kakashi train before but that was like once and he's generally considered able to coast on his own genius.
But really the work ethic has nothing to do with it. Kishi didn't write this fight because he wanted to say that the guy who was always better based on natural talent will always top the guy who has to work hard. Kakashi won thematically because he acts like an adult and accepts that bad shit happens in the world. That you simply have to move on and remember your friends. The one who won was the one who could suffer and just ****ing deal with it.
The problem is Obito was up to this point stronger than Kakashi by a large margin and the fight was boring as hell. And what was the point of the Naruto/Obito foiling if Naruto had nothing to do with his defeat(not really anyway)?
What makes you think "Kakashi didn't seem to train very much"? We had to see Obito try and fail because being a loser piece of shit is apart of his character. There's no point in showing us three chapters of Kakashi training- he was already established to be a genius and a highly successful ninja, both before and after receiving the sharingan.
There are zero scenes where Kakashi takes a shit.
I guess Kakashi's physical anatomy doesn't require him to take a shit.
Or, more likely, what I said above. In any series, space is a premium, therefore there is no point in showcasing extra scenes that aren't necessary. Most of the jounin and up characters in the series don't have any scenes showing them train. No one is assuming that "durr I guess they just magically received their powers one day then", though.
Yea. Everyone does training. If you haven't seen them in awhile, it's very safe to assume they progress their normal techniques.
It only requires special attention if it's not just a normal progression of what they've got but something new and different (like flashing back to Kabuto injecting himself with bits of everyone, and talking about how he found the Snake's sacred place and stuff).
Originally posted by AuraAngel
And what was the point of the Naruto/Obito foiling if Naruto had nothing to do with his defeat(not really anyway)?
Also, Aura, forgot about mentioning this, but that dude should be subjected to 1000 years of death for that comparison.
Originally posted by NemeBro
When and under what context did Kakashi get the Mangekyo Sharingan?Or does loss that occurs before you even had the Sharingan enable the ability to use it?
When Rin died we saw it activate.
He was just so crappy with the sharingan (combined with low endurance) for a long time he couldn't properly active it. At least not well enough to use his mangekyo technique.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Obito is shown and said to have trained a lot, Kakashi isn't.Well that was easy, why don't you make like a good house nigga and shine my shoes?
Wow, really? That's a little much even for you man.
Kakashi was obviously training a good deal considering he was making up his own techs before Obito could even make a decent fireball. Not to mention he did fight in a WAR...that is better than training. How did Obito fair? Oh yeah..he was smashed under a rock. Kakashi was involved in several actual fights ranging from Zabuza to current time so it's not like he has been slacking off. Obito has fought, what, Konan and now Naruto/Kakashi? I would include Minato but that wasn't really a fight, it was more of an owning in Minato's favor.
Originally posted by NemeBroThere are zero scenes where Kakashi takes a
Obito is shown and said to have trained a lot, Kakashi isn't.Well that was easy, why don't you make like a good house nigga and shine my shoes?