Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
I must have missed something then. What shows that he's doing that? Because he states that he now exists as "pure chakra."
Indeed:
http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/670/6
http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/670/9
He's dead in Naruto's time so he projects his consciousness into the future to see how his teachings turned out.
Oh, I read the Mangastream version. Wasn't as explicit on page 6, and page 9 made me think that he was now only existing as chakra.
http://readms.com/r/naruto/670/2307/7
http://readms.com/r/naruto/670/2307/10
"traveled through the generations"...
DDM, i think you're taking that panel and quote too literally. He's not actually traveling through time, his chakra-being has simply been "alive" through the years, and he is currently in this era.
He's not a time traveler, he's not projecting his consciousness into this time period, he's basically a ghost who hasn't "moved on" since he died.
Originally posted by marwash22"traveled through the generations"...
DDM, i think you're taking that panel and quote too literally. He's not actually traveling through time, his chakra-being has simply been "alive" through the years, and he is currently in this era.
He's not a time traveler, he's not projecting his consciousness into this time period, he's basically a ghost who hasn't "moved on" since he died.
You could be correct. But, for now, I believe it's just a jutsu (or ninshuu or whaterver) where he projects his consciousness through time. He accomplishes this via chakra.
We saw something similar to that when Minato and Kushina placed a bit of chakra in Naruto and later visited him again with a chakra-based consciousness.
The only difference between what the Sage is doing and what Naruto's parents are did is the sage appears to be projecting that chakra-consciousness through time of his own will and is conscious of what is going on (maybe...it's possible he does not get the knowledge until after the "jutsu" is dissipated just like a shadow clone).
Originally posted by marwash22"traveled through the generations"...
DDM, i think you're taking that panel and quote too literally. He's not actually traveling through time, his chakra-being has simply been "alive" through the years, and he is currently in this era.
He's not a time traveler, he's not projecting his consciousness into this time period, he's basically a ghost who hasn't "moved on" since he died.
I'm inclined to agree with this. His quote on page 6, if taken alone, would tell me that he's time-travelling of sorts, but his words on page 9 tell me that he's physically dead, but his chakra retains some form of consciousness. Plus he's intimately aware of how stuff has changed since he died.
Would add further proof to why nobody could resurrect him with Edo Tensei or Rinne Tensei. There was no soul to resurrect.
Originally posted by dadudemon
You could be correct. But, for now, I believe it's just a jutsu (or ninshuu or whaterver) where he projects his consciousness through time. He accomplishes this via chakra.We saw something similar to that when Minato and Kushina placed a bit of chakra in Naruto and later visited him again with a chakra-based consciousness.
The only difference between what the Sage is doing and what Naruto's parents are did is the sage appears to be projecting that chakra-consciousness through time of his own will and is conscious of what is going on (maybe...it's possible he does not get the knowledge until after the "jutsu" is dissipated just like a shadow clone).
The thing is, he states that he is "already dead." If he were astral projecting from the past instead of now existing as chakra, he'd say something along the lines of "I would be long dead by now."
Originally posted by AuraAngel
Kishimoto is either being blatant with the sun/moon imagery or subtle with it. Not sure which.
At first I thought it was a full moon behind Ashura, and a crescent one behind Indra.
And there is no imagery. Only symbolism. dur313
Notice it on his staff?
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
The thing is, he states that he is "already dead." If he were astral projecting from the past instead of now existing as chakra, he'd say something along the lines of "I would be long dead by now."
It is not quite as definitive on the quote. It could be a translation error or translation difference but it seems more like he's saying he is dead in Naruto's time (which would be true). Stating that does not contradict my opinion or your opinion on what is happening.
More than likely, however, I will be wrong next week and you'll be right because **** Kishitrollo.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Would add further proof to why nobody could resurrect him with Edo Tensei or Rinne Tensei. There was no soul to resurrect.
This is actually a good point.
But if he is projecting part of his chakra (the way you hold, not my way), that's not his soul and he could be revived.
But if he is projecting his soul which is embodied in a chakra form, then his soul is removed from the time-stream while he visits other times: his physical body is still in his time, meditating or in a coma. No soul to use ET with, still.
im curious does this mean that the chakras between ashura and indra passed down thru the generations can be seen in
Sasuke- Naruto
Neji- Rocklee
Kakashi-Obito
Orochimaru- Jiraiya
Hiruzen- Danzo
Madara- Hashirama
all of these characters have that genius over hardwork dynamic. also a kind of will vs skill dynamic
Hehehe...
You know the Naruto RP that I run? Haven't really talked about it for awhile, but the main character has become good friends with Fu. As a jinchuuriki, she's had her access restricted for some time, but in her last few letters she's mentioned having a new powerful bodyguard, and thus had more freedom to act as a result, and kinda hyped him up for a bit and made the players really curious who he is and what he's like.
Finally, they're getting a chance to meet him.
And it's Hidan ^^
Originally posted by chasedownDon't think Hashirama was like the rest of them.
im curious does this mean that the chakras between ashura and indra passed down thru the generations can be seen inSasuke- Naruto
Neji- Rocklee
Kakashi-Obito
Orochimaru- Jiraiya
Hiruzen- Danzo
Madara- Hashiramaall of these characters have that genius over hardwork dynamic. also a kind of will vs skill dynamic
Anyway, anyone think
may have a relation to the Sage family in some way? Kind of looks similar to Kaguya and Sage.
Same with Kimimaro, imo. His clan name was Kaguya as well. Hidan's god might be involved in some way also.
Originally posted by chasedownwha? how would they be reincarnated into a bunch of people who are/were alive at the same time?
im curious does this mean that the chakras between ashura and indra passed down thru the generations can be seen inSasuke- Naruto
Neji- Rocklee
Kakashi-Obito
Orochimaru- Jiraiya
Hiruzen- Danzo
Madara- Hashiramaall of these characters have that genius over hardwork dynamic. also a kind of will vs skill dynamic
seems like a reach.
Originally posted by TheTyrant
Don't think Hashirama was like the rest of them.Anyway, anyone think
may have a relation to the Sage family in some way? Kind of looks similar to Kaguya and Sage.
Same with Kimimaro, imo. His clan name was Kaguya as well. Hidan's god might be involved in some way also.
I thought the Shinigami was Kaguya, really.
Hashirama was anything but a dropout or a flunky as a child. Even barring the fact that he was a visionary, his combat prowess speaks for itself.
That said, he easily could be (and should be) one of the people who got Ashura's chakra. A stupidly massive amount of strong chakra, and he also recognized others and drew strength from them to an extent.
Hashirama and Obito are actually really interesting examples.
Obito needs people. He needed the Akatsuki, Pain, the Zetsu army, memories of his past life, and so on to get where he did. However he still believes that it is with his own power that he can change the world which is why he ends up fighting alone. He's a person who needs others but desperately tries to work alone because he simply feels like it is up to him to fix the world. Even though he draws his power from his eyes like Indra it is obvious that his personality fits Asura.
Hashirama is on the other side of the pole. Hashirama doesn't, strictly speaking, need anyone. His power eclipses anyone of his time and not even Madara could take him in a fight. However Hashirama desperately wants people to get along with each other and seeks to get people on his side. He sees the power in teamwork but he himself doesn't seem to really need to work with others. So like Obito, who tries to do stuff by his own against his nature, Hashirama tries to force everyone to get along through forcefully flexing his chakra. And unlike Naruto, who doesn't seem the type to ever kill his friends, Hashirama actually does strike down Madara, confirming that Hashirama really did not need Madara to keep the village afloat.
So what you're left with is one man trying to change the world despite his need of aid which ultimately, while a threat, can never succeed because he tries to do it by himself. And another man who tries to force everyone to work together but because he is by nature so far above everyone, must rely on his own power a bit more than is necessary. This makes it so when he is killed(by god knows what) a power vacuum is inevitable and the world is still stuck in war.
And that's not even addressing Sasuke who is in the most interesting position(that Kishimoto will probably ruin by making him the reincarnation of Indra).
Jesus. Christ. Sasuke. haermm
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