Originally posted by Kento
🤨 It's not like anybody except MS users have any idea about it's side-effects. Kakashi didn't suddenly hear about it or read about it. And Itachi running away after using the MS attacks wouldn't lead to anybody thinking anything except it drains his chakra. Having knowledge on a disease that is talked about is nothing like MS side-effects.He already has, at least one.
😐 He used a unique one against Raikage.
What was this unique MS ability that you're talking about? It seems to be slipping my mind, atm.
Originally posted by Kento
🤨 It's not like anybody except MS users have any idea about it's side-effects. Kakashi didn't suddenly hear about it or read about it. And Itachi running away after using the MS attacks wouldn't lead to anybody thinking anything except it drains his chakra. Having knowledge on a disease that is talked about is nothing like MS side-effects.
Everyone who knows about the MS will most likely know about the side-effects. The entire Uchiha clan (adults) would know about the MS and its side-effects, seeing as Itachi spoke of many who had achieved it. I'm pretty sure Fugaku knew about the MS, though I could be wrong. Even the Hokages/ANBU could have information on it for all we know, after all, the Uchiha were under scrutiny and it's possible Itachi leaked that sort of info.
The fact still remains, he hasn't demonstrated any of the side-effects regardless of whether he knows about them or not.
Besides, I doubt he ever will, he rarely sees out of that eye anyway 😛.
Originally posted by Kento
😐 He used a unique one against Raikage.
Which jutsu was that? Enton Kagutsuchi? That's just the shape manipulation of Amaterasu, it's nothing overtly unique, after all, he's always using his right eye when manipulating Amaterasu.
All I've seen him do with the MS is use a genjutsu that looked remarkably like Tsukiyomi (Kirabi), an un-named genjutsu which is most likely the same as the one used on Kirabi (the guy who gave Kirabi's position away), Amaterasu and it's derivative Enton (Kirabi & Kages respectively), and a partial Susano'o (Kages).
Originally posted by King Kandy
Sasuke's Susanoo is still really, really lame and i'm not sure why characters are afraid of it. Without the sword and shield, Susanoo isn't really that great. And it's very chakra intensive as well.
You are correct.
However, even in it's skeleton form, it is nigh impervious. The only one to do anything against it was the Raikage..and he was in SSJ mode. I don't see why anyone would be able to do any better than the Raikage against the Skeletal form of Susano'o.
Also, you DO bring up a good point. It is Susano'o's shield and sword that make it the ultimate defense and attack.
Originally posted by King Kandy
Sasuke's Susanoo is still really, really lame and i'm not sure why characters are afraid of it. Without the sword and shield, Susanoo isn't really that great. And it's very chakra intensive as well.
It is still incomplete after all, so it's possible they can only be used with a complete Susano'o. Besides, it's already plenty powerful, even without the shield and sword, but I agree with you, it's not as impressive as Itachi's version.
Sasuke's version has a sword, though I do not think it is the Sword of Totsuka.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Dem Pho reminded me of something.Kakashi "stopping" his Sharingan from working (cause it uses up chakra) by simply covering his eye is a major plot hole. The sharingan, which doesn't care about clothes, weapons, foliage, etc. all of a sudden has problems with a ninja forehead guard?
That's B.S. 😆
As far as I recall, it's the Byakugan that can see through anything bar objects with special seals. Sharingan can't see through solid objects iirc.
Byakugan is built mainly for vision and perception while the Sharingan is mainly built for combat. The Hyuga were just badass enough to come up with the coolest and most dangerous form of taijutsu we've seen.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
As far as I recall, it's the Byakugan that can see through anything bar objects with special seals. Sharingan can't see through solid objects iirc.
Byakugan is built mainly for vision and perception while the Sharingan is mainly built for combat. The Hyuga were just badass enough to come up with the coolest and most dangerous form of taijutsu we've seen.
The Sharingan can see chakra flow. It sees through solid objects to see tha chakra flow. (Flesh, clothes, and equipment.)
Originally posted by King Kandy
Eh, we don't really know how that works, exactly. Maybe the chakra flow leaves some kind of aura the sharingan can interpret?
We know from the Anime that it shows the chakra veins and the flow of the chakra in those. With the Byakugan, it shows much more detail, including the individual chakra points.
Originally posted by King Kandy
We don't know how the Sharingan sees through clothes. Maybe chakra flow projects through clothes, like how if you put cloth over a neon sign you can still see the faint light?
That's no where in the manga, though. However, images of the chakra network and how it flows IS in the manga.
Originally posted by King KandyNah it's that Enton thing. It's unique to Sasuke, and it involves his MS.
What, you mean that "Dark Susanoo"? That was the same as regular Susanoo in every way except people were acting impressed for some reason.
Originally posted by dadudemonDemon Phoenix had it right.
What was this unique MS ability that you're talking about? It seems to be slipping my mind, atm.
Originally posted by Demonic PhoenixKakashi didn't even know about MS, and Tsukiyomi until Itachi used it. Itachi was the only Konoha Uchiha to have it. And if Itachi had leaked the info he wouldn't have been surprised that Kakashi knew of the side-effects. He was even surprised by MS after talking with Jiraiya who told him everything Jiraiya himself knew.
Everyone who knows about the MS will most likely know about the side-effects. The entire Uchiha clan (adults) would know about the MS and its side-effects, seeing as Itachi spoke of many who had achieved it. I'm pretty sure Fugaku knew about the MS, though I could be wrong. Even the Hokages/ANBU could have information on it for all we know, after all, the Uchiha were under scrutiny and it's possible Itachi leaked that sort of info.The fact still remains, he hasn't demonstrated any of the side-effects regardless of whether he knows about them or not.
Besides, I doubt he ever will, he rarely sees out of that eye anyway 😛.
Of course he won't even demonstrate the side-effects. Itachi never demonstrated the side-effects either if I recall until his fight with Sasuke either but we learned he was going blind because of MS way before that. =P
Originally posted by Demonic PhoenixAnd the Enton thing is unique to Sasuke. The ability to control Amaterasu's shape, and everything isn't something Itachi could do, or has been shown. And the fact it's an actual move and not just Amaterasu makes it one of his unique moves.
Which jutsu was that? Enton Kagutsuchi? That's just the shape manipulation of Amaterasu, it's nothing overtly unique, after all, he's always using his right eye when manipulating Amaterasu.All I've seen him do with the MS is use a genjutsu that looked remarkably like Tsukiyomi (Kirabi), an un-named genjutsu which is most likely the same as the one used on Kirabi (the guy who gave Kirabi's position away), Amaterasu and it's derivative Enton (Kirabi & Kages respectively), and a partial Susano'o (Kages).
Originally posted by dadudemon
Dem Pho reminded me of something.Kakashi "stopping" his Sharingan from working (cause it uses up chakra) by simply covering his eye is a major plot hole. The sharingan, which doesn't care about clothes, weapons, foliage, etc. all of a sudden has problems with a ninja forehead guard?
That's B.S. 😆
kakashi could see that rock lee had broken his tendons and ripped his muscles with his sharingan. so it wud seem that sharingan can see through solid objects, however kishi is always tinkering with his phenomenon so in the fight of sasuke vs deidara, he could only see the AURA of chakra in the dust cloud etc. plus there were times when the sharingan cud predict the future{i,e valley of end fight} and give one extra STRENGTH as the tomoes grew{sasuke said that the third tomoe made him feel like he had the cursed seal on}. but since then this power doesnt seem to be shown. kinda like those sharingan blades with which itachi cut orochimaru's hand off stopped being important or a definite power of the sharingan. or how itachi's mind control{like danzou} which mind wiped that girl to keep jiraya busy while he went after sasuke is forgotten. infact wast the main power of the sharingan to COPY JUTSU, and yet ever since kishi mentioned the limits to technique like compatibility with chakra type and nature manipulation, that seems to have been COMPLETELY forgotten{even though it was supposedly the MAIN reason urochimaru wanted the charingan}. as has the entire thing about the hidden village of sound or the 9 gates of energy or how the raasenshuriken is incomplete or the mixing of yin and yang. also makes no sense that sarutobi who was said to know every jutsu in the hidden leaf cud possibly know such a huge number of jutsus seeing as he was only compatible with fire and earth. also makes no sense that the abilties of hidan/kakuzu/diedara/kisame/the two faced guy etc have not been explained to be kekai genkai. also hasnt been explained how the first was retconned to be the strongest hokage even though sarutobi was said to be stronger and yondaime even stronger. danzou's explanation about the slaughter of the uchiha also retcons the reason for their demise{which was shaky to begin with}. doesnt explain how sasuke KNEW the face of madara when he showed it to him, people also forget that the chidori was NEVER an electricity elemtal attack pre shippuden and infact was said to be a speciality of the uchiha where through their REAL POWER{as said by kakashi} they cud activate their body's chakra and discharge it {he called it body activation} it through the hand and as it blasted away the air, it gained a unique sound of birds/electiry. that was retconned in shippuden to be just a simple electric attack. furthermore, doesnt explain how jutsus liek urochimaru's{almost exclusively bound with snakes} come into being having nothing to do with an element or even other main things. oh hey does no1 remember that uro had a teleportation jutsu like madara when he met up with kabuto right after the chuunin exam after kabuto had helped team 7 under disguise and then just turned into whirlwind and disappeard into the air back to wherever he came from. infact didnt the later ocnversation allude to kabuto hating him and uro challenging him to kill uro if he didnt want uro to take control of sasuke. hell wasnt kabuto's purpose for being with uro one of the biggest secrets of the series at the time since no1 beleived he was just uro's servant?
heck where IS kabuto? with half of uro in him and what about that notebook he gave to naruto?
see lots gets lost in the cracks.