Originally posted by NephthysBecause he threw away everything for absolutely nothing for a pointless reason. Great his whole clan was murdered, yea okay he's got a reason to hate Itachi. But he had the perfect like in Konoha after and before. And because Itachi was told by Danzo, and a few others to kill the Uchiha he's going to take it out on all of Konoha who know nothing? And suddenly loves his brother for no reason at all.
Hey, quick question: Remind me why I should hate Sasuke again. Tv Tropes just reminded me of exactly what he went through and I'm starting to like him again. So, yeah.....
Originally posted by Kento
😛 I was talking about TenTen because Neji knows he'll never have Hinata just like Hinata realizes she can't have Sasuke so goes for Naruto.
Yes, Hinata realizes Sasuke is out of her reach, but Neji hasn't, his Byakugan isn't that awesome. TenTen wishes she were half as good-looking as Sasuke is 😛.
Originally posted by Kento
But that still is a lot holding back compared to Oro who more than likely fought to kill just like Sasuke.
Again, we don't know if Oro fought to kill (that is most likely), but who knows, he could have just viewed Jiraiya as a nuisance and sought to knock him out.
FYI Sasuke never aimed to kill Naruto at the end with his F.Chidori though 😛. Meh, Sasuke aimed to kill for most of the fight anyway.
Originally posted by Kento
But that's just from storing up chakra. It's not some different form or anything. Though speaking of her and genjutsu, isn't her youthful form a genjutsu? lol
It's still uber enough. Besides, Slug Mode doesn't sound cool anyway, and Orochimaru's Hydra technique got b****-slapped by Itachi. So Sage mode is the only thing that's awesome.
Nahh, since she isn't manipulating her opponent's senses in any way 😛. She saw that it was the closest thing to genjutsu, and so she used it, since she wanted to be kewl.
Originally posted by Kento
Then Itachi's will overpowers Nagato, and he ends up controlling Nagato and the bodies. Because not even death can stop his will. And then Itachi will defeat Madara with the power of Rinnengan.
Pah, if Itachi has the power of the Rinnengan (and he'd lose his Sharingan as he used too much of his Mangekou), Madara will still beat him with his EMS + hax powers 😛. Rinnengan can't compare to Sharingan hax.
Originally posted by Kento
lol Well yea Danzou is a testament to that. But stay in the position long enough and you'll become a hero and protect it. Be if with the cost of your life or not.
Yeah, you are correct. Still, Minato = Greatest Hero, Sarutobi = Greatest Hokage 😛.
Originally posted by Kento
It's cause he didn't have a cool necklace. That Madara probably made for Shodai as a Valentine's Day gift.
😂
No wonder Madara hates Naruto.
Originally posted by Kento
Pft Shikamaru doesn't need Sasuke, he's got two girls. One in Konoha and another in Sand. He's that good. He doesn't need a whiny emo to bring down his game.
He wants to be like Sasuke who has a million girls after him. And Shikamaru is also gay for Sasuke, and Chouji, he hates women after all 😛.
Originally posted by Kento
Nah, it's Lee's awesome hairstyle that gets Neji. And those eyebrows. His fighting style is the reason Neji chose TenTen instead. Sasuke has the fighting style that drives him away, and none of Lee's features. And TenTen is the only girl to give him any play.
True, but Sasuke has used an illusion on Neji, and now Neji can only get off to that, hence why he chases after Sasuke 😛.
Originally posted by Kento
That's just cause Chouji thought Shikamaru would want Sasuke not realizing the truth of Shikamaru. That's how much he likes Shika. So much he's willing to give up and let him be with another.
So long as he gets to have Sasuke, he won't mind if Shikamaru wants Sasuke 😛.
Originally posted by Kento
😛 Sasuke sane? What are you on?
He became insane after Madara messed with his mind 😛.
Originally posted by Kento
It's possible I guess.
It's da troof.
Originally posted by Kento
Well Bee doesn't really use raiton attacks anyway so he probably isn't one of the best at manipulation. I'd put Sasuke and Kakashi on the same level. Sasuke's just more, inventive, while Kakashi well he's not really.
Yeah, you are probably right about Bee. Still, it shows that Raiton can be better than that sissy element Fuuton, which is only cool when Asuma uses it.
Hence why Sasuke is just a little higher than Kakashi IMO, because he is shown coming up with a variety of manipulations. He's got the closest thing to Raikage's Raiton Armor after all.
Originally posted by Kento
Haku's awesomeness was from the fact he could've just killed all of them, and went on about his way but chose not to. Just so Zabuza could look like he had something to do.
You're right, but Zabuza wishes he were as awesome as Haku. It's why he uses Water element techniques, he wants to have something close to the Ice-element that Haku uses 😛.
Originally posted by Kento
Well, there can't be that many lack of S-Class missing-nin to recruit for the war. Maybe he's got a stockpile of people waiting.
Who knows, he probably doesn't need them anyway, or at least he thinks he doesn't need Akatsuki anymore. He has 7 beasts after all, plus 50+ Sharingans, Sasuke's Hatred, and his own hax 😛.
Originally posted by Kento
Yea Kakashi probably has one of the best chakra control, possibly even better than Sakura in part 1 who while weak had the best known chakra control.
Yeah. It sucks that Kamui basically is the equivalent of Amaterasu in terms of chakra drain for Kakashi. What was his limit? 3 uses?
Originally posted by Kento
A kid? lol What?
He gave up some of his body mass to heal Sasuke after he was pwned by Kirabi the second time. He turned into a 'kid' as a result. He absorbed a fallen Samurai later to restore his lost body mass.
Originally posted by Demonic PhoenixNah Neji wishes TenTen was half as good-looking as Sasuke, TenTen just wants to jump Sasuke. lol
Yes, Hinata realizes Sasuke is out of her reach, but Neji hasn't, his Byakugan isn't that awesome. TenTen wishes she were half as good-looking as Sasuke is 😛.
Originally posted by Demonic PhoenixThey may not even have really fought though. If they fought I'm sure one would have been seriously injured or dead. Jiraiya may have just let Orochimaru leave.
Again, we don't know if Oro fought to kill (that is most likely), but who knows, he could have just viewed Jiraiya as a nuisance and sought to knock him out.FYI Sasuke never aimed to kill Naruto at the end with his F.Chidori though 😛. Meh, Sasuke aimed to kill for most of the fight anyway.
Eh, I still don't believe Sasuke could have killed him anyway.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenixlol Well it wouldn't be called Slug Mode probably. Besides Oro only fails around Uchiha so it was a low showing. If that had been Nagato or Jiraiya then it would've been something awesome. *nods*
It's still uber enough. Besides, Slug Mode doesn't sound cool anyway, and Orochimaru's Hydra technique got b****-slapped by Itachi. So Sage mode is the only thing that's awesome.
Originally posted by Demonic PhoenixGenjutsu doesn't just mess with a person directly though. It would be more like the genjutsu used in the Chunin arc that just made everybody see something wrong. There are different types of genjutsu after all.
Nahh, since she isn't manipulating her opponent's senses in any way 😛. She saw that it was the closest thing to genjutsu, and so she used it, since she wanted to be kewl.
Originally posted by Demonic PhoenixPft Madara has nothing. He just runs away. And he's scared of Itachi because Itachi's awesomeness (that doesn't exist because he's an Uchiha but still.) lol And Itachi still had his MS though he was nearly blind. So a Amaterasu Chibaku Tensei will kill Madara because Itachi knew his secret just never had the power to defeat it. But with the Paths of Pain he will. lol
Pah, if Itachi has the power of the Rinnengan (and he'd lose his Sharingan as he used too much of his Mangekou), Madara will still beat him with his EMS + hax powers 😛. Rinnengan can't compare to Sharingan hax.
Originally posted by Demonic PhoenixMaybe. 😛
Yeah, you are correct. Still, Minato = Greatest Hero, Sarutobi = Greatest Hokage 😛.
Originally posted by Demonic PhoenixOf course, you don't go around breaking gifts. lol
😂
No wonder Madara hates Naruto.
Originally posted by Demonic PhoenixJust because he finds them troublesome doesn't mean he hates them. After all Shikaku has said the same thing and he's married. lol
He wants to be like Sasuke who has a million girls after him. And Shikamaru is also gay for Sasuke, and Chouji, he hates women after all 😛.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenixlol
True, but Sasuke has used an illusion on Neji, and now Neji can only get off to that, hence why he chases after Sasuke 😛.
Originally posted by Demonic PhoenixSasukexShikaxButterfly Chouji? lol
So long as he gets to have Sasuke, he won't mind if Shikamaru wants Sasuke 😛.
Originally posted by Demonic PhoenixI'm pretty sure it was after Itachi messed with his mind. lol
He became insane after Madara messed with his mind 😛.
Originally posted by Demonic PhoenixPft Temari makes the wind element awesome. Not Asuma.
Yeah, you are probably right about Bee. Still, it shows that Raiton can be better than that sissy element Fuuton, which is only cool when Asuma uses it.
Originally posted by Demonic PhoenixWell the thing is I think Kakashi COULD do the same thing. It's just Kakashi is more of a copy ninja than anything.
Hence why Sasuke is just a little higher than Kakashi IMO, because he is shown coming up with a variety of manipulations. He's got the closest thing to Raikage's Raiton Armor after all.
Originally posted by Demonic PhoenixZabuza was so awesome he could've used ice if he wanted. But he just wanted to let Haku think he was the only one who could. Just to give the kid some hope.
You're right, but Zabuza wishes he were as awesome as Haku. It's why he uses Water element techniques, he wants to have something close to the Ice-element that Haku uses 😛.
Originally posted by Demonic PhoenixBeast are in a statue though. But man Sasuke's hatred that's going to be hard for anybody to beat. Madara is going to with the 4th Ninja War because of that. Unless Oro brings Itachi and Minato. Only those two combined can beat Sasuke's hatred combined with Madara's hax.
Who knows, he probably doesn't need them anyway, or at least he thinks he doesn't need Akatsuki anymore. He has 7 beasts after all, plus 50+ Sharingans, Sasuke's Hatred, and his own hax 😛.
Originally posted by Demonic PhoenixWho knows. However much the story calls for.
Yeah. It sucks that Kamui basically is the equivalent of Amaterasu in terms of chakra drain for Kakashi. What was his limit? 3 uses?
Originally posted by Demonic PhoenixAnd I'm proud of it. 😆 But it's true he really has no reason anymore.
Don't listen to Kento, he's biased 😛
Originally posted by Nephthys
Hey, quick question: Remind me why I should hate Sasuke again. Tv Tropes just reminded me of exactly what he went through and I'm starting to like him again. So, yeah.....
Never said Sasuke can use Itachi as a reason to justify it. But Danzo, and the Elders killed the Uchiha well had them ordered to be. And we don't know the 'true' story about any of it. We have small facts from Itachi who did nothing but lie to Sasuke, and most from Madara who does nothing but lie to everybody. But if any of it is true Sasuke can be justified in killing Itachi, Danzo, and the Elders because they killed his clan. His vendetta on Konoha though is completely wrong.
Originally posted by Kento
Nah Neji wishes TenTen was half as good-looking as Sasuke, TenTen just wants to jump Sasuke. lol
Same thing 😛, Neji still wants to jump Sasuke though, while Tenten wishes that Neji would join.
Originally posted by Kento
They may not even have really fought though. If they fought I'm sure one would have been seriously injured or dead. Jiraiya may have just let Orochimaru leave.
Perhaps, once Oro showed Jiraiya just how much of a man he was *a picture Oro kissing Tsunade* 😛
Originally posted by Kento
Eh, I still don't believe Sasuke could have killed him anyway.
Can't argue against it as I don't really remember the fight.
Originally posted by Kento
lol Well it wouldn't be called Slug Mode probably. Besides Oro only fails around Uchiha so it was a low showing. If that had been Nagato or Jiraiya then it would've been something awesome. *nods*
Katsuya mode then? Would be pretty neat, Katsuya can heal right? Instant healing, plus ability to separate into multiple-smaller Tsunades.
True. That's why Jiraiya asked the two toad elders to join him in Sage mode, he thought having multiple heads was cool.
Originally posted by Kento
Genjutsu doesn't just mess with a person directly though. It would be more like the genjutsu used in the Chunin arc that just made everybody see something wrong. There are different types of genjutsu after all.
Well, she still doesn't affect the senses, what we see of her is completely 'real'.
Originally posted by Kento
Pft Madara has nothing. He just runs away. And he's scared of Itachi because Itachi's awesomeness (that doesn't exist because he's an Uchiha but still.) lol And Itachi still had his MS though he was nearly blind. So a Amaterasu Chibaku Tensei will kill Madara because Itachi knew his secret just never had the power to defeat it. But with the Paths of Pain he will. lol
Pah, Itachi is awesome and Uchihas are awesome. That makes Itachi awesome^2 😛.
Madara would simply hold Sasuke hostage. Then Sasuke would finally see what kind of person Madara is 😛.
Originally posted by Kento
Of course, you don't go around breaking gifts. lol
Yeah, I mean, Madara was kind enough to let Naruto wear it, heck he even removed his curse for Naruto (the one where everyone who wears it dies 😛).
Originally posted by Kento
Just because he finds them troublesome doesn't mean he hates them. After all Shikaku has said the same thing and he's married. lol
But Shikaku isn't gay for Sasuke, while Shikamaru is 😛.
Originally posted by Kento
SasukexShikaxButterfly Chouji? lol
Chouji's ultimate dream 😛.
Originally posted by Kento
I'm pretty sure it was after Itachi messed with his mind. lol
You mean Madara.
Originally posted by Kento
Pft Temari makes the wind element awesome. Not Asuma.
Oh right, I forgot about her. Both her and Asuma make it awesome.
Originally posted by Kento
Well the thing is I think Kakashi COULD do the same thing. It's just Kakashi is more of a copy ninja than anything.
Probably, just not as fast as Sasuke (if he had to create it). He could probably copy Sasuke's new jutsu though, but he'd be less proficient at first obviously.
Originally posted by Kento
Zabuza was so awesome he could've used ice if he wanted. But he just wanted to let Haku think he was the only one who could. Just to give the kid some hope.
Pfft, Haku gave Zabuza the ability to use water jutsu, so Zabuza wouldn't feel like a child when next to Haku 😛.
Originally posted by Kento
Beast are in a statue though. But man Sasuke's hatred that's going to be hard for anybody to beat. Madara is going to with the 4th Ninja War because of that. Unless Oro brings Itachi and Minato. Only those two combined can beat Sasuke's hatred combined with Madara's hax.
He probably has a way to retrieve them. He plans to sync Sasuke with it no?
I know. He also plans to give Sasuke the EMS. Not even a Sage-Itachi-love-powered Naruto could win then.
Originally posted by Kento
Who knows. However much the story calls for.
😂 He has Sasuke level chakra when it comes to Kamui? Nevar!
Originally posted by Kento
And I'm proud of it. 😆 But it's true he really has no reason anymore.
Yeah, you are right. He does have good reason for targeting Konoha's higher-ups. He has no reason for attacking the other Kages or the villagers though. If all the villagers were Senju, I'd somewhat understand, but they aren't.
Originally posted by Demonic PhoenixNeji's man enough that TenTen doesn't need Sasuke joining.
Same thing 😛, Neji still wants to jump Sasuke though, while Tenten wishes that Neji would join.
Originally posted by Demonic PhoenixThe real reason Jiraiya left. He couldn't see Tsunade anymore after seeing that. lol
Perhaps, once Oro showed Jiraiya just how much of a man he was *a picture Oro kissing Tsunade* 😛
Originally posted by Demonic PhoenixIt's really less about the fight and more about Naruto being nigh-unkillable because of Kyuubi. And the more he taps into Kyuubi the more his healing goes up, and the more emotional he gets the more he taps into Kyuubi. And Sasuke makes him all emotional.
Can't argue against it as I don't really remember the fight.
Originally posted by Demonic PhoenixI'm not sure, as Tsunade had to use her healing jutsu spread through Katsuya. Though it would probably give her Suigetsu type damage soak.
Katsuya mode then? Would be pretty neat, Katsuya can heal right? Instant healing, plus ability to separate into multiple-smaller Tsunades.True. That's why Jiraiya asked the two toad elders to join him in Sage mode, he thought having multiple heads was cool.
Jiraiya always following Oro. *tsk tsk*
Originally posted by Demonic PhoenixI was just trying to remember if Jiraiya said it was genjutsu or what he said when she shows her true form in part 1.
Well, she still doesn't affect the senses, what we see of her is completely 'real'.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenixhahaha
Pah, Itachi is awesome and Uchihas are awesome. That makes Itachi awesome^2 😛.
Originally posted by Demonic PhoenixMadara can't hold Sasuke. That's why he's letting him run around. He knows if he makes Sasuke mad that he'll be killed.
Madara would simply hold Sasuke hostage. Then Sasuke would finally see what kind of person Madara is 😛.
Originally posted by Demonic PhoenixI guess Shodai and Madara's love just wasn't strong enough. It's sad really. lol
Yeah, I mean, Madara was kind enough to let Naruto wear it, heck he even removed his curse for Naruto (the one where everyone who wears it dies 😛).
Originally posted by Demonic PhoenixThere's a reason Shikamaru always fights girls. It's because in his head he can see a million ways to get their clothes off with shadow possession. And he doesn't want to do that with a guy.
But Shikaku isn't gay for Sasuke, while Shikamaru is 😛.
Originally posted by Demonic PhoenixHahahaha
Chouji's ultimate dream 😛.
Originally posted by Demonic PhoenixNope, Itachi. Tsukiyomi = insane. Unless your strong willed like Kakashi. But Sasuke's weak, weak, weak.
You mean Madara.
Originally posted by Demonic PhoenixExpanding Wind Rasengan Shuriken is awesomeness also.
Oh right, I forgot about her. Both her and Asuma make it awesome.
Originally posted by Demonic PhoenixNot as fast because he's not creative. That's really it. And since he's got better chakra control, and is probably just as skilled at raiton manipulation I'm sure he'd be just as proficient after copying it.
Probably, just not as fast as Sasuke (if he had to create it). He could probably copy Sasuke's new jutsu though, but he'd be less proficient at first obviously.
Originally posted by Demonic PhoenixZabuza should've just thrown Haku at the Mizukage. He'd have won the coup then.
Pfft, Haku gave Zabuza the ability to use water jutsu, so Zabuza wouldn't feel like a child when next to Haku 😛.
Originally posted by Demonic PhoenixYes, but I just always took that to mean just to be able to use it extract.
He probably has a way to retrieve them. He plans to sync Sasuke with it no?
Originally posted by Demonic PhoenixItachi will use his power to give life back into Minato, who still has part of him inside Naruto, and it'll be Minato-Itachi love-Sage-Kyuubi-will power-Naruto to fight EMS Sasuke.
I know. He also plans to give Sasuke the EMS. Not even a Sage-Itachi-love-powered Naruto could win then.
Originally posted by Demonic PhoenixOf course he does. That's why he's running around now instead of his body being unable to move from Kamui killing him.
😂 He has Sasuke level chakra when it comes to Kamui? Nevar!
Originally posted by Demonic PhoenixWell even then no real reason as they had nothing to do with the Uchiha death, and Senju are probably spread out in all parts of the village.
Yeah, you are right. He does have good reason for targeting Konoha's higher-ups. He has no reason for attacking the other Kages or the villagers though. If all the villagers were Senju, I'd somewhat understand, but they aren't.
Originally posted by psycho gundamWell that would involve being smart
sasuke forgot to kick the shit out of the guy who told him flat out that he helped itachi (in some capacity) commit the uchiha massacre....madara 😐before he goes to konoha he should deal with him dontchyathink?
Originally posted by King KandyYea, but his sudden love for Itachi is one of the things annoying me right now about him too. lol
Yes, but now Sasuke justifies everything based on Itachi, not the Uchiha clan.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
sasuke forgot to kick the shit out of the guy who told him flat out that he helped itachi (in some capacity) commit the uchiha massacre....madara 😐before he goes to konoha he should deal with him dontchyathink?
Madara has his reasons, though. The whole Uchiha clan betrayed him. He was seeking his revenge. Madara WAS Uchiha. He was their ultimate leader. He brought them to greatness and he tried to bring them back to greatness, but they kicked him out and tarnished the Uchiha name and became Senu lap dogs.
It would be enormously hypocritical for Sasuke to get pissed at Madara, an almost sacred elder from the Uchiha clan, for seeking his revenge.
And, Madara wanted to get the elders, as well.
The only thing wrong I see is Sasuke not getting pissed at Madara for his parents' death: Sasuke should have been pissed about that, just a tad.
His love for Itachi is understandable AND justified. Danzo confirmed to Sasuke that what Madara said was true. So, it's no longer a question of Madara lying to manipulate Sasuke...or at least when it comes to the elders ordering the killing of the Uchiha due to revolt they were planning. Some of the finer details may be lies, but not the meat of what Madara said.
However, him hating all of Konoha is stupid stupid stupid. There's no reason for it.
Something that IS really awesome, though: Sasuke is almost blind due to spamming his MS so much. He used it too much and now he's paying for it. Kishimoto deserves more credit as a writer as he's giving us delicious writing by making Sasuke awesome...but then Sasuke has to pay for getting lucky, genetically. IMO, that normalizes against Nartuo: Naruto is a genius that works his ass off to near death whereas Sasuke is a genius that had the genetics that made things easy on him.
Originally posted by King Kandy
Sasuke also worked his ass off. Remember when he learned the fireball jutsu when he was a kid? That was Sasuke at his best.
Agreed. That was before he could cheat and when he wanted to impress his father. That's why Sasuke was one of the best Rookies.
Ahhh, the good ol' days of Nartuo.
*sniff sniff*
It wouldn't even count as a war. It would be a minor battle that would've ended quickly. And probably without the death of every Uchiha. The plan wouldn't have split Konoha down the middle. It would've put all of Konoha, and Itachi against the Uchiha. They weren't that big of a threat. And since they knew about the coup anyway it's not like Uchiha would've been a surprise attack on the village.