The Official Naruto series Thread

Originally posted by NemeBro
Not every character with a dark and troubled past is a sue, and vice versa. Naruto could be considered some kind of ****** Purity Sue now though. Mary Sues generally are due to bad writing. 🙂

Sure, they CAN be, but when meshed with all of Sasuke's shit it comes off rather Suish, good looking, well-liked and respected by peers, amazingly competent, writer's favorite character, plus all the delicious Wangst.

And also saved t3h day with his uber competence, if I recall right.

Sasuke kinda was a mary sue early part 2, but still he suffered from clinical insecurites and egotism about being second to his brother and was always putting the Uchiha's over everyone.

But still, he's supposed to be Naruto's polar opposite. The good looks, the natural talent, the entirety of being well liked even by villains is to show case the differences between him and Naruto so we can relate to Naruto more.

But hell I think Naruto's more a sue than Sasuke, having all this build up and emphasis on him being such a lamer and a underdog only to spring up a epic build up as him being ninja jesus, the strongest ninja since Pain and Madara and the King of the ninja world all because his father was once king and his mother apperently was the mary madelene of the story.

Sasuke's build up seems insignificant when you think about it, his clan failed because Senju were better, the leader of the Uchiha's failed because he thought his clan was the shiz but then got owned twice by Konoha, then theirs Sasuke who was supposed to have it made until Naruto started taking his spotlight and then he started getted stalked by creppy snake pedos offering power then being known as a traitor to his village later on a traitor to the world and later falling to the same dude he vowed to avenge his clan against only to find out his bro was a sue to Konoha and then made Sasuke even more unlikeable to fans.

Yeah, I don't really have anything to say.

i just don't dig how he can think he's the shit when his fights have so many "luckily konoha didn't see me get my ass kicked, i might lose some scary points" moments in them.

he got lucky with bee. all three of his "teammates" seemingly used abilities that they were saving for some occasion in the future cause they never let sasuke know they had them, and all of those abilities saved his life (suigetsu also saved him from getting a c-section)

then the itachi incident, waiting till orochimaru was weak from getting ninja aids from itachi, and his wtf? prep for deidara.... i just think h should be be more humble

Well it's not like Kishimoto making Sasuke into "Aizen", more like Zuko or Draco. Instead Kishimoto just made him more hated and pathetic than those two.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
To be fair, she gave her chakra to Katsuyu who was able to nullify the effects.

Both are flexible and limited i.e. one can have a variety of uses but is limited to one-use per battle, while the other can be used a number of times but is limited to regen and uses up a lot of chakra.
Tsunade's just happens to be more flexible and limited than Orochimaru's oral rebirth.

Something I just noticed on a re-read which is very important: At the end of the fight where she uses it, it comes back (note the sound effect, and next time we see it, it's full diamond again).

Or in other words, she was using the chakra from storage and probably had constant on regen that entire fight, then when she was done she put what chakra she didn't use from it back in the container for re-use.

It only went away completely during the Pain fight.

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
If Naruto really does turn out to be a descendent from Senji, then that would just send this whole fight for dominance straight to hell. It does however raise up a question. Why can't Tsunade do all these weird sealing jutsus and whatnot seeing as how she's confirmed to be Senju(for the most part anyway)?

Who says she doesn't? Most of the combat ones are "never use unless you're gonna die" kind of things, and both her chakra reservoir and "used mini slugs to heal everyone in the village and talk to them" involves seals of sorts (Shizune told her to 'don't release the seal' when she activated the chakra, and there's visible seals beneath the Katsuyu one).

Assuming Kushina were Senju, it would also make Naruto and Sasuke's fight more symbolic.(I think)

Unlikely, seeing as Kushina's an import who moved after her village was destroyed.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
i just don't dig how he can think he's the shit when his fights have so many "luckily konoha didn't see me get my ass kicked, i might lose some scary points" moments in them.

he got lucky with bee. all three of his "teammates" seemingly used abilities that they were saving for some occasion in the future cause they never let sasuke know they had them, and all of those abilities saved his life (suigetsu also saved him from getting a c-section)

then the itachi incident, waiting till orochimaru was weak from getting ninja aids from itachi, and his wtf? prep for deidara.... i just think h should be be more humble

Originally posted by King Kandy
The thing I think that bugs me about Sasuke isn't really him himself, but he's really just not an interesting character. This wouldn't be a problem, except that he takes so much screen time that both old characters I can appreciate, and new characters showing promise, are both being forced out just to make room for him. I mean, he killed Danzo and Danzo was a 10x better character than he was, who could have added much more to the story.

That's why the most interesting characters should be the main characters...

Originally posted by King Kandy
That's why the most interesting characters should be the main characters...

IMO Kishimoto can't do characters for long terms doses. The only reasons we like the side characters because their less developed and are in short doses than the main characters. Kishimoto would just screw them up if they focused in like Naruto, Sasuke and Sakura are.

Originally posted by killermover
In your opinion, Sasuke is the main rival/antagonist. And the story would be no where would without him. Don't blame Kishimoto for creating so many likeable characters that obviously Kishimoto hadn't concidered to be more popular than Sasuke.

IMO Kishimoto can't do characters for long terms doses. The only reasons we like the side characters because their less developed and are in short doses than the main characters. Kishimoto would just screw them up if they focused in like Naruto, Sasuke and Sakura are.

Originally posted by King Kandy
He focused on Kakashi plenty and he's still a highly likeable character, same as Jiraiya (i'd say both have gotten more exposure than Sakura). In any case, interesting characters>less interesting characters, period.

Personally I kinda like watching Sasuke go insane, even if he's still not one of my favs.

Hebi/Taka was a pretty fun team too, I certainly didn't mind following them.

Originally posted by Q99

Something I just noticed on a re-read which is very important: At the end of the fight where she uses it, it comes back (note the sound effect, and next time we see it, it's full diamond again).

Or in other words, she was using the chakra from storage and probably had constant on regen that entire fight, then when she was done she put what chakra she didn't use from it back in the container for re-use.

It only went away completely during the Pain fight.[/B]

Good points.

It makes sense if she can store the chakra she doesn't need back into the seal.

So I suppose she can actually keep it on for an entire battle mmm
Somewhat like Izanagi.

Well, she can keep it up until she runs out, I guess. But I wouldn't call it as good as Izanagi, which can do more than just regen.

Izanagi's the ultimate hax when it comes to defense, but yin seal is still pretty sweet.

And I think the yin seal can be used for more than just defense; it's not like she healed everyone from being squished, she prevented them from being squished. Remember how Pain mentioned she was spending chakra to counteract his push power? (and she had chakra glowing from her feet) I think she was doing whatever she was doing there, but for everyone via Katsuyu (plus just being able to remotely do it for others to begin with).

Chapters out on mangastream, How come Naruto gets praised for all the epic hax and moves when he faces things above his level(NF is celebrating), and Sasuke gets bashed or complained about when he does the same. What is it that Naruto has that Sasuke doesn't?

Originally posted by killermover
Chapters out on mangastream, How come Naruto gets praised for all the epic hax and moves when he faces things above his level(NF is celebrating), and Sasuke gets bashed or complained about when he does the same. What is it that Naruto has that Sasuke doesn't?

Also, this just cements how much better Bee is than Naruto... Bee beat 8-tails without some magic PIS spirit helping him and ****ing holding his hand through the ordeal and insuring he didn't lose. Like holy shit, this is the lamest shit i've seen in this manga in a long time.

And Naruto is the ****ING SAGE?! Holy shit, that's the most BS, retarded dumbass idea i've ever heard, WTF has Kishi been getting his ideas from bad fanfics!? Holy **** is that the lamest shit ever.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Also, this just cements how much better Bee is than Naruto... Bee beat 8-tails without some magic PIS spirit helping him and ****ing holding his hand through the ordeal and insuring he didn't lose. Like holy shit, this is the lamest shit i've seen in this manga in a long time.

And Naruto is the ****ING SAGE?! Holy shit, that's the most BS, retarded dumbass idea i've ever heard, WTF has Kishi been getting his ideas from bad fanfics!? Holy **** is that the lamest shit ever.

Damn!! Although a bit stereotypical at times, Bee being better than Naruto is pretty obvious. He went through the same ****ed up situation as Naruto and Gaara but came out a more awesome character than both of them combined. The reasoning behind the fight being lame is primarily due to Naruto getting help and the fight not actually being a fight at all.

As for the sage thing, what did you really expect? At least its not as bad as the H2 transformation in Bleach.

Yeah, Killer Bee breaks the mold when it comes to the tailed beast hosts. He really stands out in terms of character development.

Kushina is jinchuuriki and almost got captured by Cloud? Oh snap, that explains a lot (and would've been quite bad if they succeeded, they are *very* lucky the incident didn't set off a war... if it in fact didn't). Her hair when beating up the other kids does look kinda fox-y.

Originally posted by King Kandy

And Naruto is the ****ING SAGE?! Holy shit, that's the most BS, retarded dumbass idea i've ever heard, WTF has Kishi been getting his ideas from bad fanfics!? Holy **** is that the lamest shit ever.

He's not the sage, he just reminds the Fox of the sage- which is not surprising, he's using the Sage's jutsu and clearly follows off of the will of the Senju.

I think you're overreacting.

wakkawakkawakka
Damn!! Although a bit stereotypical at times, Bee being better than Naruto is pretty obvious. He went through the same ****ed up situation as Naruto and Gaara but came out a more awesome character than both of them combined.

He also had his big brother A backing him up throughout his life, which helps a lot.

We also don't know at what age he did this at (he might've been a more mature ninja at the time than Naruto is now), or if he had anyone helping.

killermover
Chapters out on mangastream, How come Naruto gets praised for all the epic hax and moves when he faces things above his level(NF is celebrating), and Sasuke gets bashed or complained about when he does the same. What is it that Naruto has that Sasuke doesn't?

Probably because we get to see more of Naruto's trial and error and training, while Sasuke gets a lot of his from his eyes, which often literally depends on being a hateful jerk (killing someone close to you, removing your brother's eyes, etc.). Especially the last one- while implanting Itachi's right after he got them would've probably been ok with people upgrade-wise, when he actually got it done was just based on when he was losing.

Naruto- go to an island, fight his inner self, train with Bee, and get help from Mom, who in turn turned out to be a badass kid.

Sasuke- after running around trying to bash everything with raw power, finally give up your conviction to not stoop to the level of using your brother's eyes and let Madara implant them out of sheer power lust.

Kishimoto wants us to hate Sasuke 🙂