The Official Naruto series Thread

Originally posted by Q99
Hm, yea. It's too bad we never got to see Nagato use it that way to be sure if it can do combos, but if it really can do all the combo elements that'd be even more uber.

The combination elements do seem to be treated as stronger than normal ones, plus those with them tend to have a lotta chakra.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Yeah it's a real mystery why Nagato chose to half-kill himself to get the six path techniques, when his original powerset doesn't seem any less powerful. Especially when we know for a fact that Chibaku can be used without splitting yourself in that manner.

The Six Paths do give the incredible ability to fight at S-class with little risk of dying, and to do multiple things at once too.

I suspect he had the total chakra of all 6+him (probably why Deva was so strong- Yahiko was already strong before being used. All the others were of course ninja as well, often ones who survived combat with Jiraiya), and while stuff that went beyond their levels seemed to wear at his body, they could use their own techniques at normal levels all day.

Originally posted by NemeBro
He only put the body in the moon after he had already sealed it in himself, he then separated all of its chakra.

... Though this brings up the question of how he took its body outside of him. 😐

Here's you answer with another question...

How many Naruto characters can "steal" or absorb chakra?

You'd think the sage was more powerful than any of those chakra eaters, right?

Originally posted by King Kandy
He sealed the body so nobody could put the tailed beast chakra back into the body and bring it back. Apparently a pure-chakra biju is weaker than one with a body, maybe?

You're correct. Chakra is made of physical and spiritual energy. If the body is gone, bye bye physical chakra.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Yeah it's a real mystery why Nagato chose to half-kill himself to get the six path techniques, when his original powerset doesn't seem any less powerful. Especially when we know for a fact that Chibaku can be used without splitting yourself in that manner.

It's so he could have a mobile "byakugan." He couldn't see nearly 360 degrees in every direction including up.

Further proof, IMO, that hte byakugan is the strongest eye...if only it had super duper magical powers (amaterasu, etc.) like the sharingan and it would be far superior than the Sharingan. If only it weren't for the magical spells of the sharingan....if only....

The Byakugan is the weakest eye, and bitching about it won't make it stronger. estahuh

Originally posted by NemeBro
The Byakugan is the weakest eye, and bitching about it won't make it stronger. estahuh

For being the weakest eye, the (now dead) strongest character in Naruto certainly liked to emulate it. Pwned.

Originally posted by dadudemon
For being the weakest eye, the (now dead) strongest character in Naruto certainly liked to emulate it. Pwned.

That is not really the same as the Byakugan.

Even if it didn't offer shared vision, Rinnegan would be > Byakugan.

i agree with kandy, wtf is up with nagato summoning that stupid statue thing and then being crippled for the rest of the manga? 6 paths is a great technique and all, but something is wrong with him since he didn't just undo the damage from the fire or whatever else happened to him.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Not really, it did not offer him 360 degree vision, it just gave him six different views.

That is not really the same as the Byakugan.

So, not only is it just like the rinnigan's field of vision, it is even better because it lacks a blind spot.

In other words, the byukugan's ability was so awesome that Pain sought to replicate it and even improve on it.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Unlike the byakugan, the Rinnegan does not have a blind spot. It has better than 360 degrees of vision as the fields of view overlap, depending on their position.

So, not only is it just like the rinnigan's field of vision, it is even better because it lacks a blind spot.

In other words, the byukugan's ability was so awesome that Pain sought to replicate it and even improve on it.

The blind spot is overrated. 😐 It can be negated by tilting your head slightly, thus revealing whatever was in that spot.

Nah, would be better if all that powah was in one body if you ask me. Plus he would be able to **** Konan then.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
i agree with kandy, wtf is up with nagato summoning that stupid statue thing and then being crippled for the rest of the manga? 6 paths is a great technique and all, but something is wrong with him since he didn't just undo the damage from the fire or whatever else happened to him.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Rinnegan can do any element. That in mind, it can do wood, lava, ice, whatever.

If the dude wielding the Rinn'egan has the appropriate Kekkai Genkai for those advanced elements as well. Ibiki said a Rinn'egan user could use any of the 6 basic types of chakra, which are the 5 normal ones, and Yin/Yang.

Originally posted by Q99
He is like if Nagato had a Senju body, I'd guess. Similar eyes, but a lot more physically robust, and like Naruto/Kushina well suited to being a host, and maybe wood or similar kekkei genkai.

He might've still had all the chakra from it (or at least the component Biju) too, he prepared for the transference in advance after all.

Likely much more physically robust and great with Taijutsu. He was much smarter (invented jutsu and all that), and he had the Rinnegan which gave him access to all Path powers, and was the Juubi's Jinchuuriki.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
i agree with kandy, wtf is up with nagato summoning that stupid statue thing and then being crippled for the rest of the manga? 6 paths is a great technique and all, but something is wrong with him since he didn't just undo the damage from the fire or whatever else happened to him.

Gedo Mazo gave him those black chakra rods to control 6 bodies for his 6 Paths jutsu. If he hadn't summoned Gedo Mazo, there would be no 6 Paths.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Further proof, IMO, that hte byakugan is the strongest eye...if only it had super duper magical powers (amaterasu, etc.) like the sharingan and it would be far superior than the Sharingan. If only it weren't for the magical spells of the sharingan....if only....

EMS & MS >>>> Byakugan. No questions there.

Byakugan </= 3 tomoe Sharingan IMO.

3 tomoe has limited precog, hypnosis, and the ability to slow stuff down to a crawl, whereas Byakugan has the nearly 360 degrees FoV, and the ability to see Chakra pathway clearly. Without the invention of Gentle Fist, the second ability would almost useless.

BTW, it's Neji that makes the Byakugan look far cooler than it really is. 313 In the hands (figuratively speaking) of Hinata, it is pure shite.

~ Also, I wish Sakura had the Byakugan instead of Hinata.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
EMS & MS >>>> Byakugan. No questions there.

Byakugan </= 3 tomoe Sharingan IMO.

3 tomoe has limited precog, hypnosis, and the ability to slow stuff down to a crawl, whereas Byakugan has the nearly 360 degrees FoV, and the ability to see Chakra pathway clearly. Without the invention of Gentle Fist, the second ability would almost useless.

It did let Ao detect Danzo was up to something, and even recognize the specific chakra involved as Shisui's.

The see-through-stuff and distance vision parts of the byakugan are useful too.

As scouts, even the most basic byakugan is incredibly useful and has some advantages over it's much more powerful cousins, probably the best one in terms of that role, though of course with their jutsu granted and all they're overall far superior in combat.

If Rinnegan had byakugan-like vision, Pain may've been able to find Jiraiya before the sage genjutsu took out three of his bodies.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
If the dude wielding the Rinn'egan has the appropriate Kekkai Genkai for those advanced elements as well. Ibiki said a Rinn'egan user could use any of the 6 basic types of chakra, which are the 5 normal ones, and Yin/Yang.

Originally posted by Q99
It did let Ao detect Danzo was up to something, and even recognize the specific chakra involved as Shisui's.

The see-through-stuff and distance vision parts of the byakugan are useful too.

As scouts, even the most basic byakugan is incredibly useful and has some advantages over it's much more powerful cousins, probably the best one in terms of that role, though of course with their jutsu granted and all they're overall far superior in combat.

If Rinnegan had byakugan-like vision, Pain may've been able to find Jiraiya before the sage genjutsu took out three of his bodies.

I was primarily going for usage in combat, which is why I mentioned Gentle Fist.
The only real usage I can see the second ability having in combat (outside of allowing Hyuugas to use Gentle Fist effectively) is allowing the person to see if the enemy is an illusion instead of an actual person, or if their team-mate is under an illusion.

In terms of actual vision for scouting purposes and such, one Byakugan is worth ten Sharingan and Rinn'egan. Though Rinn'egan does allow one to see barriers like the one over Konoha and the one Jiraiya used, but I dunno if that is also the case for the other two. Should be, since those barriers are chakra induced.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Ibiki also said that someone with the Rinnegan can use any jutsu in existence.

If that were true, then Rinn'egan would give a person the ability to use Susano'o/Amaterasu/Tsukuyomi/Kamui/Izanagi/Shikotsumyaku/S&#333;ma no K&#333;/...and so on and so forth.
Jiraiya stataed that Nagato demonstrated the 6 basic types of Nature Transformation. Nagato never demonstrated any of the Elemental Kekkai Genkai techniques on the other hand.

Ibiki likely meant any jutsu in existence that falls under the 6 basic types, i.e. not tied to a Kekkai Genkai or to one person's innate ability eg. Iron Sand.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
If that were true, then Rinn'egan would give a person the ability to use Susano'o/Amaterasu/Tsukuyomi/Kamui/Izanagi/Shikotsumyaku/S&#333;ma no K&#333;/...and so on and so forth.
Jiraiya stataed that Nagato demonstrated the 6 basic types of Nature Transformation. Nagato never demonstrated any of the Elemental Kekkai Genkai techniques on the other hand.

Ibiki likely meant any jutsu in existence that falls under the 6 basic types, i.e. not tied to a Kekkai Genkai or to one person's innate ability eg. Iron Sand.

Just as new jutsu have been created even though the Sage is the root of them, new kekkei genkai may have arisen as well.

We know Hashirama had mokuton, but we don't know if he got that from the sage or if it occurred for the first time in him.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Personally, I think it can create those jutsus if the person with the rinnegan has the skill needed for the proper transformations. Since all jutsu is said to have come from the sage it only makes sense that the kekkai genkai did as well (we know that both mokuton and sharingan did), and that the rinnegan is the progenitor of all kekkai genkai thus.

Hard to say whether or not an insanely skilled user of the Rinn'egan can use the advanced nature types. shrug So far, all we have to go on is Nagato, who never did.

The Sage did invent Ninjutsu, but he could not have invented EVERY single jutsu in existence currently.
Some of these newer jutsus were tied to Kekkai Genkais. Various Kekkai Genkais could likely just be mutations, which would mean that the Sage/Nagato could not have the same ability as they lack the necessary genetic makeup.

Soma No Ko was Sakon/Ukon's ability, but I doubt the two Rinnegan users could use that.

- EDIT-

It wouldn't surprise me if the element ones are Rinnegan mutations too. Just as the Rinnegan is better than the sharingan but the sharingan's best versions have some advantages, perhaps the element kekkei genkai are more specific variants of it's ability to let people use elements.

Of course, we don't necessarily know that all of them come from the Sage's line at all. It may just be the kind of thing that happens with the genetics in the world. Rinnegan did pop up on it's own after all. They also seem the simplest conceptually- the genes that make someone naturally aspected to one element or another exist for multiple elements (or are otherwise linked) in the same person.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix

Ya know, this has got me thinking. Hashirama was the only person to have the Wood Element naturally. It's obvious Hashirama had kids, as he has a grand-daughter. Yet Tsunade does not have the Wood Element. So either those advanced natures cannot be passed down, or Mito Uzumaki's genes interfered?

I think both Haku and his mother had Ice, so it seems they can pass down, but don't necessarily do so.

Hm, we don't really know of any clans revolving around a combined element kekkei genkai, unlike the eye ones which seem to always pass down. (Amateur generic hour to follow) So it may they are normally recessive and only show up occasionally.

It could be that there's a general set of genes for element aptitude, some dominant and some recessive, and kekkei genkai happen when two (or in Mei Terumi's case, three) of them all manage to activate in one person. So (using upper-case for dominant and lower case for recessive, and Wi / wi = Wind, E / e = Earth, Wa / wa = Water etc.) someone might need WaE to have mokuton, while Wae would just be a water user who could also use Earth (like perhaps the Second Hokage, his brother).

Or even more complex than that. We know it's not just one pair, since it's possible to have three.

But whatever the case, it seems likely that while the eyes can be passed over in their entirety, elements are *probably* a combination of the parent's genetic traits in respect to elements, so there's more chance involved and a lot of people likely have an incomplete set needed for the kekkei genkai.