The Official Naruto series Thread

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Giving such political power to the Uchiha by the time Itachi was around would have been foolhardy.
Indeed, this should have all been addressed much earlier. Once the Uchiha were segregated to their small area, war was definitely on the horizon.
Konoha's higher ups got lucky in that someone as skilled as Itachi who was in a position of trust with the Uchiha, did not want war to break out.

Quite. I wonder how the decision was made; it would be a very shaky time for Konoha, what with a Kage just killed.

- Depends on how the coup is handled. If it were dealt with quickly (i.e. Zabuza's coup), or the Uchiha quickly overthrew the Konoha government with minimal losses and effort, I think Konoha would be relatively safe from outsider attack.
However, since it was essentially Uchiha vs. rest of Konoha, I doubt the Uchiha would have won without major losses. If they did win, they'd have numerous casualities. They'd be left vulnerable, and the other villages could see this as an opportunity to wipe out the strongest clan/village currently in existence.

Well, more than likely they did not want to target most clans, and would focus mostly on those who were direct obstacles, while trying to keep the others at least neutral.

The Senju-allies victory condition would be to hold off the Uchiha and convince the other clans to join in, or alternatively to keep more limited to Senju vs Uchiha and win. The Uchiha victory condition would be to convince other ninja to defect or stay neutral and out of the way for the fight and again go for a limited conflict, and then win that fight. Worst-case for the village as a whole is the conflict spirals to include most clans split between the sides, creating a longer struggle, though both sides do have reason to go after the other's leadership ASAP so I would think a quick fight is more likely.

Still, even reduced, Konoha has the largest population so it's likely to still have power comparable to at least the smaller great villages even wounded, and other ninja villages are still counterbalanced by each other, some of the villages may join in a war to protect Konoha out of their own interest (Sand, for example, stands to lose in the balance of power without Konoha to balance out Stone).

Danzo of all people would interestingly be a high-priority target, because he'd most assuredly wish a counter-coup. For all his hard-line stance, being a student of Tobimaru associated him too much with the Senju for him to retain power and influence under the Uchiha of the time.

~ Unless of course, they decided to remove the Kyuubi from Naruto and control it like a pet to use against other villages. awesome

That'd be more WMD than pet, since I doubt any of the Uchiha save maybe Itachi with his mangekyo (which they did not know about) would have the strength to control it.

If Hiruzen had immediately chosen as an Uchiha candidate after the Kyuubi attack instead of just reassuming the position, war could have been avoided I think. Uchiha are strong shinobi, capable of becoming Hokage. They are also able to somewhat control the Kyuubi's chakra and considering they had just lost the two connections they had to the Uzumaki clan and its sealing techniques, an Uchiha is ideal for handling the Kyuubi. They didn't know an Uchiha had been behind the attack, and the only thing I can think of that would give them that much suspicion was the fact that the clan didn't seem present at the attack. Appointing an Uchiha as the 5th quickly may have been an appropriate recognition of equality that may have kept the peace. I understand Hiruzen wanted to stay in as Hokage because the village needed him, but hey, these are just ramblings.

That leaves the question of if there were any Uchiha at the time who were well-suited for it, not just in strength but in mentality.

It would not solve things if an Uchiha who had a mindset similar to Danzo's was appointed. Hiruzen would want someone with the 'will of fire'.

Also, the elders and the damiyo both would have a lot of say. If there was paranoia in the higher ups, it may be a tough sell. It might not have even occurred to Hiruzen at the time either, since the problems were still so far down the road and the Uchiha still had a position of power in the MP so he might not think of resentment becoming a problem.

They didn't know an Uchiha had been behind the attack, and the only thing I can think of that would give them that much suspicion was the fact that the clan didn't seem present at the attack.

That, and it is known sharingan have controlled the Kyuubi in the past. Apparently there was active suspicion by some parties.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
If Hiruzen had immediately chosen as an Uchiha candidate after the Kyuubi attack instead of just reassuming the position, war could have been avoided I think. Uchiha are strong shinobi, capable of becoming Hokage. They are also able to somewhat control the Kyuubi's chakra and considering they had just lost the two connections they had to the Uzumaki clan and its sealing techniques, an Uchiha is ideal for handling the Kyuubi. They didn't know an Uchiha had been behind the attack, and the only thing I can think of that would give them that much suspicion was the fact that the clan didn't seem present at the attack. Appointing an Uchiha as the 5th quickly may have been an appropriate recognition of equality that may have kept the peace. I understand Hiruzen wanted to stay in as Hokage because the village needed him, but hey, these are just ramblings.

Shisui seemed to have been very skilled, having both a nickname (Shisui of the body flicker) and an unrelated uber-jutsu, but like Itachi would be too young, and most likely a loyalist. I suspect one reason Itachi took him out first was not just the friend thing, but he sounds like the most likely one to be able to put up a fight during the massacre.

We don't know of any other uber Uchiha from that era.

i don't get why the Hyuuga branch family aren't allowed to learn any of the uber moves, when they're supposed to protect the head family. apparently they aren't even allowed to learn kaiten

Originally posted by Q99
Shisui seemed to have been very skilled, having both a nickname (Shisui of the body flicker) and an unrelated uber-jutsu, but like Itachi would be too young, and most likely a loyalist. I suspect one reason Itachi took him out first was not just the friend thing, but he sounds like the most likely one to be able to put up a fight during the massacre.

We don't know of any other uber Uchiha from that era.

Originally posted by stickman618
i don't get why the Hyuuga branch family aren't allowed to learn any of the uber moves, when they're supposed to protect the head family. apparently they aren't even allowed to learn kaiten

It's probably to enhance their position beyond just the seal-compliance- not only are they in charge because of seniority, but they are demonstrably stronger. Plus it likely gives the clan as a whole more variety as the branches may have their own jutsu instead (like the twin-lion thing). You can't get used to fighting the Hyuuga's best techniques from branch members, and if there's multiple Hyuga around there's still going to be surprises.

Kaiten is likely a very difficult move to pull off that most branch members probably couldn't do if they were taught too, at least in general.

Hinata used the twin lion thing, she's head family... just saying

Originally posted by Q99
Quite. I wonder how the decision was made; it would be a very shaky time for Konoha, what with a Kage just killed.

My guess is that it was made a month or two after the entire event. I think only Sarutobi objected to the segregation, and its not like the higher ups would try to listen to the Uchiha side of the story.

Originally posted by Q99
Well, more than likely they did not want to target most clans, and would focus mostly on those who were direct obstacles, while trying to keep the others at least neutral.

The Senju-allies victory condition would be to hold off the Uchiha and convince the other clans to join in, or alternatively to keep more limited to Senju vs Uchiha and win. The Uchiha victory condition would be to convince other ninja to defect or stay neutral and out of the way for the fight and again go for a limited conflict, and then win that fight. Worst-case for the village as a whole is the conflict spirals to include most clans split between the sides, creating a longer struggle, though both sides do have reason to go after the other's leadership ASAP so I would think a quick fight is more likely.

Still, even reduced, Konoha has the largest population so it's likely to still have power comparable to at least the smaller great villages even wounded, and other ninja villages are still counterbalanced by each other, some of the villages may join in a war to protect Konoha out of their own interest (Sand, for example, stands to lose in the balance of power without Konoha to balance out Stone).

Danzo of all people would interestingly be a high-priority target, because he'd most assuredly wish a counter-coup. For all his hard-line stance, being a student of Tobimaru associated him too much with the Senju for him to retain power and influence under the Uchiha of the time.

Yeah, you're right, the Uchiha would likely only target the actual government, and try to convince the other clans to stay out of the conflict.
Still, if War were to break out, I think some of the remaining clans would side with Konoha's government, given that a large portion of Konoha probably felt the Uchiha were responsible for the Kyuubi's attack.
In any event, the Jounins are likely loyal to Konoha's government. The current Jounin Commander is Shikaku Nara who is also the leader of the Nara clan. I think there are other jounins from the other clans as well, which is another reason why the other clans might enter the war.

IMO, the Hyuuga would try to keep a neutral stance. Though I doubt they could keep out of the war, considering it would take place right on their doorstep, putting them at risk. They'd probably enter the War to try and protect themselves.

Depends on what the situation is after the entire war is over. If the other clans did not enter the civil war, then yeah, Konoha could still fight back, and they could ask the Sand to aid them in preserving the balance of power.
If only the Uchiha and a couple of other ninja clans were left, then I think they'd be easy pickings for any country.

Originally posted by Q99
That'd be more WMD than pet, since I doubt any of the Uchiha save maybe Itachi with his mangekyo (which they did not know about) would have the strength to control it.

I don't know about that. While it's true that only Madara Uchiha has managed to control it like a pet, it could be entirely possible that anyone with the Mangekyo could control the Kyuubi. I think there would be a few other Uchiha around with the Mangekyo, considering they could know the requirements for getting the Mangekyo now.

Though it could just turn out to be a loose cannon.
Meh, I was just joking when I stated they should have ripped it out of Naruto.
Alternatively, they could have ripped it out from Naruto and sealed it inside Sasuke. awesome

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
If Hiruzen had immediately chosen as an Uchiha candidate after the Kyuubi attack instead of just reassuming the position, war could have been avoided I think. Uchiha are strong shinobi, capable of becoming Hokage. They are also able to somewhat control the Kyuubi's chakra and considering they had just lost the two connections they had to the Uzumaki clan and its sealing techniques, an Uchiha is ideal for handling the Kyuubi. They didn't know an Uchiha had been behind the attack, and the only thing I can think of that would give them that much suspicion was the fact that the clan didn't seem present at the attack. Appointing an Uchiha as the 5th quickly may have been an appropriate recognition of equality that may have kept the peace. I understand Hiruzen wanted to stay in as Hokage because the village needed him, but hey, these are just ramblings.

There were no ideal candidates from the Uchiha clan. Fact of the matter is, I doubt there was any ideal candidate in all of Konoha, which is why Sarutobi retook the position.
Jiraiya would have turned down the position, and Tsunade was gambling. Not to mention, at the time she was disillusioned, and probably looked down on the Hokage position.
Danzou is Danzou. He's better suited to being the leader of the Black Ops, rather than Hokage.

Also, the Konoha government suspected that an Uchiha was behind the Kyuubi attack, which is why the Uchiha were moved to a remote part of Konoha. I honestly doubt they and the rest of Konoha would have agreed to an Uchiha being named Hokage after the Kyuubi attack. The Jounins, the Fire Daimyo, and the Council all need to be unanimous in their decision, before a Hokage can be appointed.

Like I said before, after the Kyuubi attack, & the decision of the advisors to move the Uchiha that followed, Civil War was on the horizon. There was no stopping it. Konoha's higher-ups got lucky in that someone like Itachi existed. Otherwise, there would have been war.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix

Yeah, you're right, the Uchiha would likely only target the actual government, and try to convince the other clans to stay out of the conflict.
Still, if War were to break out, I think some of the remaining clans would side with Konoha's government, given that a large portion of Konoha probably felt the Uchiha were responsible for the Kyuubi's attack.
In any event, the Jounins are likely loyal to Konoha's government. The current Jounin Commander is Shikaku Nara who is also the leader of the Nara clan. I think there are other jounins from the other clans as well, which is another reason why the other clans might enter the war.

But while the jonin are on the whole loyal, the Uchiha are large and influential enough to have ties and favors for them too, as well as being intimidating enough to make fighting scary, which could probably convince a lot to stand aside. The Uchiha would try and convince them that it's good for the village as a whole to be there for whomever wins.

Depends on what the situation is after the entire war is over. If the other clans did not enter the civil war, then yeah, Konoha could still fight back, and they could ask the Sand to aid them in preserving the balance of power.
If only the Uchiha and a couple of other ninja clans were left, then I think they'd be easy pickings for any country.

I doubt things would get that bad, since after all it's a fight for supremacy, not a total war. Clans would take casualties but eliminating them would not be an objective and would likely only be an objective for those clans who were absolutely fanatic to one clan.

I also have the suspicion that the majority of rank and file ninja are clanless, and there's literally thousands of ninja in the village.

I don't know about that. While it's true that only Madara Uchiha has managed to control it like a pet, it could be entirely possible that anyone with the Mangekyo could control the Kyuubi. I think there would be a few other Uchiha around with the Mangekyo, considering they could know the requirements for getting the Mangekyo now.

It's been said that the mangekyo has only been unlocked by a few in the clan's history, and the method is pretty barbaric, so I doubt there were any active. Especially with it being peacetime and all.

stickman618
Hinata used the twin lion thing, she's head family... just saying

Yea, but it might be she's using a branch technique because it's easier.

Has anyone noted the irony in that the Chidori is specifically an assassination technique designed to kill in one strike, but Sasuke has never killed anyone with it?

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
Has anyone noted the irony in that the Chidori is specifically an assassination technique designed to kill in one strike, but Sasuke has never killed anyone with it?

It also is apparently as loud as a flock of a thousand birds.

How the **** is that a good assassination attack?

Originally posted by NemeBro
This is true.

It also is apparently as loud as a flock of a thousand birds.

How the **** is that a good assassination attack?

Because Sasuke is faster than sound? vin

Srsly though, it's classified as an assassination technique due to the speed at which the user moves. Kakashi and Sasuke are not slowpokes.

also its pretty much an instant kill when they hit, cuz it pierces "anything"

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Srsly though, it's classified as an assassination technique due to the speed at which the user moves. Kakashi and Sasuke are not slowpokes.

Originally posted by Kento
😛 Tell that to the guy Yondy had to save Kakashi from being killed by when he first did Chidori.

Pfft, that's just because Kakashi is near useless without the Sharingan. 😛

Touche....

why is naruto always the last to be translated?