The Official Naruto series Thread

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Deidara?

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Also, Konan went from being one of the weakest, to being considered one of the strongest. I still think she'd lose out to Sasori or Deidara. Kakuzu, maybe not...

Originally posted by Astner
Pain wouldn't be able to defeat Itachi for two reasons. When fighting Jiraiya, Pain had no counter or protection for the genjutsu used by Fukasaku and Shima. Also, even after Naruto defeated Pain (before Sasuke got Itachi's eyes) it was confirmed that Naruto wouldn't be able to win against Sasuke who at the time was as powerful, if not still weaker than Itachi.

Please don't ever defend Kishimoto's shitty writing again. Naruto being a moron and thinking he could not defeat an almost completely drained Sasuke is bad writing. Not to mention Madara outright states that Naruto is probably stronger than Sasuke is now. Oh and Naruto had prep against Pain, who was weakened when the fight started, and Naruto also had the Kyuubi bail him out when Pain nearly killed Hinata. So no, A>B>C logic does not work.

Originally posted by marwash22
absorb it, eh? I thought about that as a possibility, but Amatersu can ignite the target, it's not necessarily something that gets shot out like a grand fireball. But then, even if Preta did absorb it, wouldn't it just burn from the inside? I mean, Preta turned into a toad after absorbing Naruto's chakra which suggests that the nature of whatever he absorbs does not change.

Originally posted by marwash22
I would say...

1. Itachi
2. Madara
3. Orochimaru
4. Pein
5. Sasori
6. Kisame
7. Kakuzu
8. Deidara
9. Hidan
10. Konan
11. Zetsu

Originally posted by NemeBro
You think Orochimaru is stronger than Pain?

Nah.

What does Pain have, that Oro can't counter?

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Deidara?

Also, Konan went from being one of the weakest, to being considered one of the strongest. I still think she'd lose out to Sasori or Deidara. Kakuzu, maybe not...

I dunno, her paper form makes her fairly hard to hurt. Safe from poison against Sasori, and while explosives take out some paper she can block and is much more resistant to damage than Deidara is, and Deidara can't avoid attacks by taking to the air since she's better there too.

Kakuzu I'd think would be better off against Konan than Deidara.

Originally posted by Astner
Thanks. I edited the list. I should also neglect Zetsu from the list (I don't know why I added him).

Konan was never considered to be among the weakest. At lest not by any rational posters. "The lack of evidence is not the evidence of absence." In this case evidence being her abilities. Just because they weren't demonstrated doesn't mean that they weren't there.

Zetsu is still a member, and something tells me he'll be proven stronger than Hidan at least soon enough.

I just remember placing her above Zetsu one time on a least and getting chewed out for it. And she did get pwned by Jiraiya in seconds. Doesn't help that her partner overshadows her a lot.

I still think Sasori, Deidara, and maybe Kakuzu could win against her. Kisame is harder to discern but if he got her in water, he could maybe speed blitz her. Key word: maybe.

Originally posted by Q99
I dunno, her paper form makes her fairly hard to hurt. Safe from poison against Sasori, and while explosives take out some paper she can block and is much more resistant to damage than Deidara is, and Deidara can't avoid attacks by taking to the air since she's better there too.

Kakuzu I'd think would be better off against Konan than Deidara.

Poison mist? Konan still has to breathe and Sasori may catch her with it. Not to mention, he has fire. As does Kakuzu.

Deidera flies up and drops C3 or uses C4. The latter may be defended against, but I see no way for her to counter C4.

Originally posted by NemeBro
BEcause Jiraiya's genjutsu was able to completely seal the deal and give him the win, right? Not to mention Jiraiya's genjutsu was inherently different.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Please don't ever defend Kishimoto's shitty writing again.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Naruto being a moron and thinking he could not defeat an almost completely drained Sasuke is bad writing.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Not to mention Madara outright states that Naruto is probably stronger than Sasuke is now.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Oh and Naruto had prep against Pain, who was weakened when the fight started, and Naruto also had the Kyuubi bail him out when Pain nearly killed Hinata. So no, A>B>C logic does not work.

Originally posted by marwash22
What does Pain have, that Oro can't counter?

Originally posted by Astner
and Sasuke defeated mastered Hachibi who's far more powerful than unmastered six-tailed Kyuubi.

To be fair, Nagato has a better summoning variety than Orochimaru on top of being able to bring back his fallen comrades unless Naraka is gunned down first.

Hidan's getting no respect 🙁

I still wonder what limit's does Konan's paper angel have. I wouldn't put her above Kisame also she does seem a tad stronger than Sasori recently.

Originally posted by marwash22
I would say...

1. Itachi
2. Madara
3. Orochimaru
4. Pein
5. Sasori
6. Kisame
7. Kakuzu
8. Deidara
9. Hidan
10. Konan
11. Zetsu

You rate the person who almost killed your number 2 twice (once with a move that doesn't require prep, and the other with a move that took the biggest hax in the series to escape) below Hidan, a fighter who'd be pretty much screwed against her (as paper doesn't bleed)?

*Shakes head* that's just sad. I'm curious as to your reasoning behind it.

Also I'm with NemeBro that Orochimaru above Pain is odd, Chibaku Tensei would trap all his zombies in a sphere, and Human Path could yank their souls too. Pain's simply got more power and more powers than him.

Originally posted by NemeBro
First of all, much more summons than Oro has, and multiple big ones. Six bodies fighting at once. Deva Path at the least is physically above Oro. Chibaku Tensei would one shot him and damn near anyone in the series.

Minato
Hashirama
Tobirama
Orochimaru

vs.

the Six Paths.

In my estimation, Oro stomps Pain... unless you wanna use the logic that Oro wouldn't have access to the Kage summoning due to the technique requring sacrifices; which to me, is illogical 'cause Oro wouldn't be foolish enough to fight a Kage level opponent without that prep work taken care of.

Originally posted by marwash22
Minato
Hashirama
Tobirama
Orochimaru

vs.

the Six Paths.

In my estimation, Oro stomps Pain... unless you wanna use the logic that Oro wouldn't have access to the Kage summoning due to the technique requring sacrifices; which to me, is illogical seeing 'cause Oro wouldn't be foolish enough to fight a Kage level opponent without that prep work taken care of.

If he gets that much prep-work, then you gotta assume equal prep for everyone.

Also, I doubt Hashirama and Tobirama can be summoned any more, and Hiruzen showed that summoning can be blocked, something Pain'd be much better at than Sarutobi.

Chibaku Tensei'd still probably get them too.

Originally posted by Q99
If he gets that much prep-work, then you gotta assume equal prep for everyone.

Also, I doubt Hashirama and Tobirama can be summoned any more, and Hiruzen showed that summoning can be blocked, something Pain'd be much better at than Sarutobi.

Chibaku Tensei'd still probably get them too.

Also, as it pertains to me putting Hidan above Konan, i was ranking them as threats in general, not specifically against each other. Most people in Naruto-verse can have their blood drawn and when that happens, Hidan goes haxx mode ftw.

Come to think of it I never did rate my Akatsuki power levels so here goes:

1. Nagato
2. Madara(Izanagi's a *****)
3. Itachi(healthy)
4. Kisame(Samehada)
5. Orochimaru
6. Deidara
7. Konan
8. Sasori
9. Kakuzu
10. Hidan
11. Zetsu

Originally posted by marwash22
I forget, how exactly did Saru block that last summoning and is that something anyone can do?

A buncha clone-shuriken fired before the jutsu was completed.

Also, as it pertains to me putting Hidan above Konan, i was ranking them as threats in general, not specifically against each other. Most people in Naruto-verse can have their blood drawn and when that happens, Hidan goes haxx mode ftw.

Yea, precisely how many people do you think can take being cut up by tens of thousands of paper blades or homing explosives? It's extremely fatal and good against larger numbers of foes.

Also as you made it clear in your discussion of Orochimaru, you're considering the people with prep, that thus'd include her 'bomb chasm jutsu,' of which almost no-one would survive.

Pein is tops, Madara is likely second for Izanagi. Then Itachi. Next Orochimaru and then Kisame.

From there I can see more discussion.