Demonic Phoenix
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Originally posted by killermover
No it just shows how pathetic and cowardly Madara is in his own abilites, he mooches and manipulates others but has no power to do anything to them. He took and stole Nagato's eyes and then stole Shodai's cells to compensate his lack of power and strength since he's done nothing but lose and become a shallow butthurt old man with war lust. If Nagato had decided to stop Madara and take control, Madara would have most likely died by now. Hell if Itachi has EMS he would have killed Madara. Madara was afraid of them not the other way around. Pain as of now is the strongest ninja in the manga currently. But Madara might be now.
Nahh, it isn't cowardice, it is smarts. Throwing a fight just to copy a genetic ability that will allow you to gain far greater power in the future, is planning & intelligence.
Except Nagato's Rinnegan originally belonged to Madara, so Nagato really owes all his power to Madara. 😐
There was something holding Nagato back from taking control of Akatsuki, and I'm betting it's because he feared Madara's power, and wanted what he perceived was the goal of Madara, Peace.
Originally posted by killermover
Chibaku Tensei is a defensive jusu, Shira Tensei is offesive, thats why I said it's the strongest. Because you can attack with it.
CT is more of an offensive tech than a defensive one, as it seals/crushes his opponent, rather than providing Pain a defense.
Also, the offense that Susano'o has is still better than Shinra Tensei's.
Originally posted by killermover
Naruto never beat Pain, the plot did. Naruto barely had the advantage on Pain.
He beat Deva Path one-on-one pretty fairly. There was some PIS, but it wasn't a whole lot IMO.
Originally posted by killermover
How can the be weak when they themselves haven't shown what their capable of yet. Again, no feats=/= lack of strength and skills. I bet Kiba is stronger than Lee. Sakura of all people could hold her own against an akatsuki member and punch a summon, why can't Hinata do something similar, it's not that she's weak because feat wise she's got most of her basic jyukken/byakugan skills mastered and even knows a hardcore jutsu like Twin Lion Fists.
Except Part 1 Kiba holds no candle to Part 1 Lee, and by powerscaling, Lee should still be above Kiba. Plus Lee with his Gates is beyond most of the Konoha 11, barring Neji, Sasuke & Naruto.
Then her basic jyuuken mastery puts her at the level of a basic Hyuuga chuunin level ninja. It does not change the fact that against competent Long-range ninja like Temari or Tenten, she'd be lucky to last more than a minute.
Originally posted by killermover
Everyone got pwned by this guy, Kakashi, Shikamaru, Tsunade etc. You can say the same for everyone, Hinata was attempting suicide anyways and she knew the risks. The reason she jumped and blindly attacks Pain because Pain himself was about to get way with Naruto and no one would stop him, she only did what she thought was best to save Naruto at the moment and to be fair there weren't much options for Hinata or anyone to stop him, it's just that simple. You don't need to be stupid or smart to know Pain was stronger and better than everyone in that village especially with prep.
They all did much better than she did, so them getting pwned is moot.
Jumping out to fight Deva like that is both moronic and badass at the same time IMO, but she was still one-shotted by being thrown towards a rock.
Originally posted by killermover
We have no prove she's weak or strong, she was place in unforunate siuation were no amount of effort would chance the outcome of the battles.
Regardless, we can only go with what we are shown, or we can use powerscaling. Neither of those alternatives bode well for Hinata. There's absolutely nothing to indicate she is as strong as someone like Sakura.
Her support abilities make her much more useful though.
Originally posted by killermover
We don't know that, Hinata as a character is destined to surpass Hiashi and become heiress, we can't guage her true limits unless we have proof of them. I know this, Neji couldn't beat Kisame and he's a jounin, and since hinata hasn't shown anything that shows a lack of skill we can honestly say Hinata has a possibl chance of being Neji's equal in taijutsu and skill.
Surpass Hiashi? I doubt that will happen in the next decade, not unless she receives some sort of uber power-up akin to the ones Sasuke & Naruto have.
Also, are you SERIOUSLY saying Hinata could be Neji's equal in taijutsu and skill? SERIOUSLY? Damn.
There is absolutely no way she is going to equal him in skill. You could argue (I cannot fathom how though) for Taijutsu, but not for skill. Neji's genius has allowed him to surpass most Main Family members. At this point, he's likely the second strongest Hyuuga, thanks to his genius, his Byakugan, and his Main Family techs.
Originally posted by killermover
Raikage was not at his full powwer when he charged Sasuke, when he raised the juice, Sasuke was outclassed and had to resort to Susanoo. And then Raikage still managed to incapcitate Sasuke for a 10 count before Sasuke could could do anything and had trouble standing. The liger bomb totally messed up Sasuke, and the chop knocked him on the damn floor. If Raiakge connected his kick to Sasuke, he would have been killed instantly.Also Raikage pwned himself, but he didn't mind it.
He only 'raised the juice' when trying to counter Amaterasu.
Sasuke was perfectly fine after the Liger Bomb. The chop was what did a number on Sasuke, but even then, he was back on his feet in little to no time, to fight against Gaara and his squad.
You mean he pwned himself because Sasuke set it up so that he would end up pwning himself or stopping his attack.
As for Raikage connecting his kick, that's about as relevant as Raikage's ass & leg being spiked by Enton Kagutsuchi.
Originally posted by killermover
And last but now least, Sasuke has no awnser to Bijuu chakra spam since Naruto and Bee managed to beat him down with their shrouds.
Bee blindsided him. Let's not forget the time when Sasuke avoided Bee's first Lariat, or nearly pwned the Hachibi itself with Amaterasu.
Naruto as of yet is still susceptible to genjutsu, and Kyuubi chakra suppression. Both of which Sasuke happens to excel at.