The Official Naruto series Thread

I remembered, again, that someone had told me that the Naruto vs. Sasuke fight was better than the Pain fight. I conceded the point, a coupe of weeks back, but did not remember who said it to me...so I decided to find it...

Originally posted by killermover
Not even close, Naruto vs. Sasuke will always be the pinnicle of the anime.

So THIS is the person that I said that. Yeah, dude, I must agree: that Naruto vs. Sasuke fight was definitely better than the Naruto vs. Pain.

They were both AWESOME, but I watched some of it recently and it was definitely better.

Originally posted by Q99
The Whiskers were likely due to being the son of a host, come to think of it.

I was thinking about this and I have come to the conclusion that this is the only logical conclusion. Again, it's baseless...but I cannot explain it, logically, any other way. Kushina would have had her chakra mixed with the Kyuubi's while Naruto was conceived...making the above claim make sense.

I dunno, the villiage where dicks towards Naruto pre-series. Maybe they they gave him the whiskers just to mark him as the demon-child who destroyed Konoha that one time. Isolate him and mark him as different.

Also take the argument to PMs please, we don't need to see your spat up in here.

He was born with teh whiskers.

And don't worry, there won't be any more of that arguing. I have what I want.

The brothers have whiskers too, but I assume that was because eating the flesh of the kyuubi altered their bodies significantly in order to make kyuubi chakra. Naruto got the same thing from being in the womb.

Hm... I wonder if children of Jinchuuriki mothers tend to have exceptional chakra. If they have enough effect to get the markings, other effects may leak through.

Only assumption that makes sense. Funny, I feel like last time I was having this discussion I had a different answer. Someone did anyway.

Well we only have one example though it appears solid enough to stand on its own.

Further speculation- possible origin of the Kiri fish people?

The what now? haermm

Originally posted by Nephthys
I dunno, the villiage where dicks towards Naruto pre-series. Maybe they they gave him the whiskers just to mark him as the demon-child who destroyed Konoha that one time. Isolate him and mark him as different.

That would be a good guess only if Naruto wasn't born with the whisker markings already on his face. Beacuse he was born with them, we can only assume the kyuubi's chakra somehow affected his physical appearance. Q99 made hte observation about eating the Kyuubi's flesh changing the brothers, too so his argument is pretty solid, now.

*giggle*

Originally posted by Q99
Further speculation- possible origin of the Kiri fish people?

Also, I'm an idiot. By fish people you meant Kisame and his master and whatever. Interesting. Though there is some fault in that idea. Someone tried to eat some of the Hachibi's meat and merely died. The brothers didn't die likely because they are distantly related to the Sage of Six Paths. We know Naruto and Kushina are distantly related to him so it does lend credit to the idea. Not sure if the Kisame and Fuguki are. Certainly not impossible just can't be sure.

If that is the connection you're making, which I think it is. 😛

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel

Also, I'm an idiot. By fish people you meant Kisame and his master and whatever. Interesting. Though there is some fault in that idea. Someone tried to eat some of the Hachibi's meat and merely died. The brothers didn't die likely because they are distantly related to the Sage of Six Paths. We know Naruto and Kushina are distantly related to him so it does lend credit to the idea. Not sure if the Kisame and Fuguki are. Certainly not impossible just can't be sure.

If that is the connection you're making, which I think it is. 😛

They could've simply been born of a jinchuuriki (or someone else who was). I doubt you'd need the same special connection to the sage to survive that and get altered.

Interesting idea but we only have two examples of jinchuuriki mothers, both distantly related to the Sage. We need to see some of Mito's kids now that I think of it. Her grandchildren don't have the whiskers so I suppose it's only for one generation.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Interesting idea but we only have two examples of jinchuuriki mothers, both distantly related to the Sage. We need to see some of Mito's kids now that I think of it. Her grandchildren don't have the whiskers so I suppose it's only for one generation.

Being related to the sage or similar genetic advantage is necessary to survive the eating of meat, but I doubt that only sage-related female jinchuuriki can have kids.

Or perhaps, whatever is necessary to make a good jinchuuriki in the first place might be a sign of compatibility. I.e. Bee, Yugito, or Kushina could perhaps eat the meat and live if they weren't jinchuuriki.

We don't have reason to believe otherwise. In the womb, if we assume the baby gets similar sustenance, they'd have to be sage related.

Only thing that indicates that the brothers are even related to the Sage is a comment by A anyway. We don't know the criteria for a host, except the Uzumaki chakra for the Kyuubi. And we know they're related to the Sage so it doesn't matter.

Would be nice to get some insight of the hosting process now that I think of it.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
We don't have reason to believe otherwise. In the womb, if we assume the baby gets similar sustenance, they'd have to be sage related.

The situation's different in that they'd get it in tiny quantities over 9 months after it's been processed by their mother's body which can definitely handle it though, rather than in intense quantity of the pure flesh for short times.

Embryos in growth tend to be protected against a lot of things that could often be dangerous once born.

Interesting.

Seems there may be more examples. And the energy seal is what goes to sustain the child. So if we assume a tiny fraction of the chakra got into Naruto, due to his relation to the Sage, he could survive it.

Then again, I am not a woman or a doctor. So I have no clue how these things work.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Interesting.

Seems there may be more examples. And the energy seal is what goes to sustain the child. So if we assume a tiny fraction of the chakra got into Naruto, due to his relation to the Sage, he could survive it.

I think the fact that there have been previous ones indicates that the Sage's blood is not required- who's descended from the sage is not exactly something they can track, what with him being considered a myth and all. There's Senju, Uzumaki, and Uchiha who we know about, but multiple countries chose female jinchuuriki not of those clans. An odd choice, as strong ninja are pretty much a requirement and you wouldn't want to set up a situation where a strong jinchuuriki of a strong bloodline wouldn't have kids. But if they could have kids, perhaps even slightly strengthened ones, it makes more long term sense.

We are talking amounts far, far less than Gin/Kin level after all. They got so much they can biju cloak out, but there's no indication jinchuuriki kids are that strong. The raw amount may be the bit that requires a bloodline like the Sage's, while any strong ninja bloodline (i.e. something any jinchuuriki will have) can likely handle the lesser amount.

Something slightly related, I think I figured out how the Brothers survived in the Kyuubi's belly.

They could have made "air" inside of his belly with nature manipulation as they continued to breath. They could have made water with nature manipulation. They could have cooked the Kyuubi's flesh (fire) with nature manipulation.

At first, I wasn't buying it (I thought it was stupid...similar to Jonah and the Whale) but I thought about it and it should be no problem since they can make the elements from their chakra.

Originally posted by Q99
I think the fact that there have been previous ones indicates that the Sage's blood is not required- who's descended from the sage is not exactly something they can track, what with him being considered a myth and all. There's Senju, Uzumaki, and Uchiha who we know about, but multiple countries chose female jinchuuriki not of those clans. An odd choice, as strong ninja are pretty much a requirement and you wouldn't want to set up a situation where a strong jinchuuriki of a strong bloodline wouldn't have kids. But if they could have kids, perhaps even slightly strengthened ones, it makes more long term sense.

We are talking amounts far, far less than Gin/Kin level after all. They got so much they can biju cloak out, but there's no indication jinchuuriki kids are that strong. The raw amount may be the bit that requires a bloodline like the Sage's, while any strong ninja bloodline (i.e. something any jinchuuriki will have) can likely handle the lesser amount.

Indeed it's hard to keep track of but I'm not sure if I buy the fact that the host has to be particularly strong. Gaara and Naruto were only babies when they were made jinchuuriki and Bee was rather young himself.

That says, since we know energy from the seal is expended into the baby we can assume that is what protects them against the bijuu's chakra. Now all we need now is to see jinchuuriki offspring and see if they have any traits like that. I'd like to see Tsunade's parents to see if any of them have whiskers.

You're likely right about this but we can't be 100% sure until we see other kids. 😛

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Indeed it's hard to keep track of but I'm not sure if I buy the fact that the host has to be particularly strong. Gaara and Naruto were only babies when they were made jinchuuriki and Bee was rather young himself.

Yea, it definitely doesn't require a developed chakra system to have it contained within them at least. I'm thinking of how some jinchuuriki, like the previous 8-tails holder, ended up being too weak to control it when it came time to use the power. Weaker ninja might not be able to handle it when it comes time to actually start tapping in to the power, thus part of why hosts come from kage or other strong ninja families. Someone with strong chakra like an Uzumaki can just handle them better.

I can get the Uzumaki clan being suited to it, what with their special chakra and all. Even Bee and Gaara I can get because they're related to the Kage which might indicate some kind of special chakra. Which leaves us to speculate that all jinchuuriki at least have some sorta of special chakra before the sealing though I dunno.

Sealing method may also play a role in how well the host holds the demon. I mean, Gaara's mommy died while it was sealed in Gaara which seems quite dangerous to me.