Originally posted by danteiscool
yeah I was surprised at that too. didn't expect the kyuubi to actually show some concern now. and I'm just as surprised to see Naruto hit him. but hey, it made for a bit of entertainment.
The Kyuubi has always been concerned about Naruto's well being. If Naruto dies, the fox dies for several years...or something like that.
Originally posted by Nephthys
I mean, as we see in this chapter the Fox sees [b]everything Naruto does. And has done his entire life.[/B]
His father also said that he had the same sort of "vision" when he met him. That means his father could see everything Naruto did...including pooping and bates.
That's a bit disturbing.
Same with the fox. Naruto can never be nasty without knowing the fox is also watching.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Oh Snap!Anyway it seemed like the Fox was genuinely concerned about him here. He was actually trying to stop Naruto from going and getting himself killed like a tard.
I've always thought that the relationship between the Fox and Naruto was criminally underdeveloped. I mean, as we see in this chapter the Fox sees [b]everything Naruto does.
And has done his entire life. Are we supposed to believe he never wanted to talk to him at all? [/B]
I know right? Now one could make the argument that the Kyuubi being so concerned about Naruto's well being is due to his being inside the body and all. However, he seems very concerned about Naruto's emotional well being, not wanting him to mentally be hurt, which makes the Kyuubi seem more concerned. Which even if the Kyuubi could care less about Naruto, it doesn't make his points less valid.
It is but at the same time if it were developed earlier on it would just seem out of place. Now though there is no excuse. As you said, since the Kyuubi sees everything Naruto does, he could very well be his best friend. I really wish Naruto would have petted the Kyuubi there at the end instead of beating up on him and causing him to hate Naruto even more.
Originally posted by Q99
I assume they do not *have* to watch, they merely can.
That's true. But that was not what my point was: my point is that they CAN watch so he doesn't really have secrets.
Originally posted by Q99
And Minato I think had a vaguer view than Kyuubi.
I don't think that's true.
Here: http://www.mangareader.net/93-445-10/naruto/chapter-440.html
Originally posted by dadudemon
The Kyuubi has always been concerned about Naruto's well being. If Naruto dies, the fox dies for several years...or something like that.
A few years shouldn't be much of a setback to an entity that has existed for potentially hundreds of years, whilst spending 80 of those years inside a Jinchuurikii. If anything, it should want Naruto's death, since it will indirectly bring about its freedom.
It's probably something much more than simply 'I will 'die' for a few years if Naruto dies.
Originally posted by dadudemon
That's true. But that was not what my point was: my point is that they CAN watch so he doesn't really have secrets.I don't think that's true.
Here: http://www.mangareader.net/93-445-10/naruto/chapter-440.html
Could be attributed to some weird shit like Jiraiya's death & Konoha's destruction weighing in heavily on Naruto's heart.
The Kyuubi has been able to watch Naruto every day, to the point where it knows Naruto's thoughts about his first meeting with Sasuke.
Conversely, Minato could not even tell how old Naruto was. This is probably what Q99 was talking about.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Oh Snap!Anyway it seemed like the Fox was genuinely concerned about him here. He was actually trying to stop Naruto from going and getting himself killed like a tard.
I've always thought that the relationship between the Fox and Naruto was criminally underdeveloped. I mean, as we see in this chapter the Fox sees [b]everything Naruto does.
And has done his entire life. Are we supposed to believe he never wanted to talk to him at all? [/B]
Except the foxs motivations here are described as 'trecherous' implying that the fox wasn't actually sincerely concerned for Naruto and him being concerned for his safety is him being......... actually I have no idea what the fvcks going on in this chapter anymore.
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Yeah, I totally agree with your assessment and everything. The entire chapter seems to be about the fox telling Naruto that hes a moron and that he's going to get himself killed out of soe slight concern. I'm just confused as heck over that last line. 'Trecherous?' How is he being trecherous? He's asking legitimate questions that Naruto seriously has no answers to. Sasuke is not going to leap back to the goodside just like that and Naruto cannot fight an entire war. And Naruto responds by slapping him around and telling him he's gonna do it anyway.
I just don't get it.
I'd imagine dying is a scary thing. Even if the Kyuubi knows it can come back, my guess is it still doesn't want to die. And it definitely doesn't want to be captured by Madara again.
So getting Naruto to retreat is probably cause when it comes down to it, he'd rather be inside Naruto than be in Madara's hands.
Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Wait! wouldn't it be more beneficial for the fox to just let Naruto use up all his chakra and die? Sure it'd be an inconvinience to the fox for some time but it has to be better than this skit going on right now right?I don't get it!
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
A few years shouldn't be much of a setback to an entity that has existed for potentially hundreds of years, whilst spending 80 of those years inside a Jinchuurikii. If anything, it should want Naruto's death, since it will indirectly bring about its freedom.
It's probably something much more than simply 'I will 'die' for a few years if Naruto dies.
Well, they made it seem like it would be more than just a few years...like maybe a couple of decades.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Could be attributed to some weird shit like Jiraiya's death & Konoha's destruction weighing in heavily on Naruto's heart.
That sounds good, but that's baseless so we can't say that that is true with any degree of certainty.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
The Kyuubi has been able to watch Naruto every day, to the point where it knows Naruto's thoughts about his first meeting with Sasuke.Conversely, Minato could not even tell how old Naruto was. This is probably what Q99 was talking about.
I live with and speak to my wife every day and I forgot how old she was turning, this year. I remembered, but it just wasn't coming to me at first. It could also be a formality to ask how old someone is rather than guessing. There's also the fact that Minato said, specifically, that he "saw that" from inside of Naruto's mind/spirit place/thingie which seems to be exactly like the Kyuubi's perception. Like Q99 pointed out, he has the option to look but doesn't have to. He may have simply forgotten how old Naruto was or lost track of time.