The Official Naruto series Thread

Originally posted by dadudemon
Well, they made it seem like it would be more than just a few years...like maybe a couple of decades.

Still nothing to something that has lived for hundreds of years. If the Kyuubi does die, it would likely also lose its perception of time, so it would only feel like a moment. After that, it would once again be free.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I live with and speak to my wife every day and I forgot how old she was turning, this year. I remembered, but it just wasn't coming to me at first. It could also be a formality to ask how old someone is rather than guessing. There's also the fact that Minato said, specifically, that he "saw that" from inside of Naruto's mind/spirit place/thingie which seems to be exactly like the Kyuubi's perception. Like Q99 pointed out, he has the option to look but doesn't have to. He may have simply forgotten how old Naruto was or lost track of time.

Except Minato hasn't been conversing with Naruto every day, or watching his every step.
Him losing track of time (or having no perception of time) is more plausible seeing as he is confined to Naruto's unconscious mind apparently, rather than him simply forgetting.

The thing is that Minato only left a sliver of his chakra into the seal so that he could help Naruto once more. Half of the Kyuubi's chakra on the other hand has been sealed into Naruto, to the point where those two can regularly converse within Naruto's mind, and even have a 'battle'.

And there's also the fact that Minato stated how he had looked forward to seeing how his son had grown (and I doubt that has anything to do with physical age). If Minato had the same level of perception within Naruto that the Kyuubi had, he would already have known.

I also will note that Minato only showed knowledge of fairly recent events surrounding Naruto.

Originally posted by Q99
Killing and reforming may simply be extremely unpleasant for the Biju in question. Even if we're talking only a few years.

Compare being inside someone, being able to watch stuff, and act occasionally, to floating around, seeing nothing and doing nothing.

The Kyuubi wouldn't know if death and reformation were unpleasant, not unless it has previously died and reformed, of which there is no indication. We don't even know if Bijuu can be killed when they are not within a host.

The kyuubi probably hasn't died before. When Naruto almost died, the Kyuubi wondered why things were going dark; if it had already experienced it, then shouldn't it have known right away?

Another thing to ***** about: Who's the utter loon who thought it was a good idea to pair the Kyuubi host up with the only Sharingan user whose family you had personally ordered massacred?

Because that seems kinda silly now that I think about it.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Another thing to ***** about: Who's the utter loon who thought it was a good idea to pair the Kyuubi host up with the only Sharingan user whose family you had personally ordered massacred?

Because that seems kinda silly now that I think about it.

Hiruzen, and I can see his reason. One, Naruto really wanted to be Sasuke's friend and he knew it. Few others could get a rivalry thing going with them either, which normally helps the strength of both rivals I would think and especially motivates Naruto.

Two, now both of them are under the protection of Kakashi, one of the strongest ninja in the village and one known for never leaving behind teammates at that. Having them both with someone strong enough to keep them alive in tough missions, protecting two of the village's best potential assets at once.

Putting the jinchuuriki under the strongest Jonin around is probably standard, and Sasuke had to be under Kakashi specifically for sharingan/style similarity reasons.

I just read the first page, when word was just spreading about this 'new awesome show'
It's come so far, I'm so happy it all played out perfectly

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Still nothing to something that has lived for hundreds of years. If the Kyuubi does die, it would likely also lose its perception of time, so it would only feel like a moment. After that, it would once again be free.

This interpretation is just as baseless as yours:

It would not seem like just a moment but it would be oblivion for years with nothing but your thoughts.

He's not like a ninja. Who knows where demons go when they are being "revived" back to this plane.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Except Minato hasn't been conversing with Naruto every day, or watching his every step.

Which proves my point, perfectly, that if I could forget, why wouldn't Minato forget.

I think we agree, now, right?

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Him losing track of time (or having no perception of time) is more plausible seeing as he is confined to Naruto's unconscious mind apparently, rather than him simply forgetting.

Nah, he probably forgot or it's a formality. Dads forget who old their kids are and it seems like a common question to their kids in popular culture.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
The thing is that Minato only left a sliver of his chakra into the seal so that he could help Naruto once more. Half of the Kyuubi's chakra on the other hand has been sealed into Naruto, to the point where those two can regularly converse within Naruto's mind, and even have a 'battle'.

But, you see, Minato did not indicate what he could see was impaired and he's only given us reason to believe that he could see things just the same as the Kyuubi because he said, "I saw it from in here" or something.

Think of it this way: you don't have to use much energy to pick up a pencil. The world's strongest man is going to be wasting all of that strength to pick up a pencil. I put "looking" to be on the same level. Just having a little bit of chakra sealed in Naruto doesn't really make a difference.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
And there's also the fact that Minato stated how he had looked forward to seeing how his son had grown (and I doubt that has anything to do with physical age). If Minato had the same level of perception within Naruto that the Kyuubi had, he would already have known.

Meeting your son "in the flesh" and seeing out through his eyes are two different things. See, we have two completely different interpretations of the same statement.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
I also will note that Minato only showed knowledge of fairly recent events surrounding Naruto.

Which means you're implying that he did not see un-recent events surrounding Naruto. That's baseless and not supportable.

Originally posted by Q99
Hiruzen, and I can see his reason. One, Naruto really wanted to be Sasuke's friend and he knew it. Few others could get a rivalry thing going with them either, which normally helps the strength of both rivals I would think and especially motivates Naruto.

Two, now both of them are under the protection of Kakashi, one of the strongest ninja in the village and one known for never leaving behind teammates at that. Having them both with someone strong enough to keep them alive in tough missions, protecting two of the village's best potential assets at once.

Putting the jinchuuriki under the strongest Jonin around is probably standard, and Sasuke had to be under Kakashi specifically for sharingan/style similarity reasons.

Those...are...really damn good reasons. I was with Neph until I read this post. lol

Originally posted by Q99
Hiruzen, and I can see his reason. One, Naruto really wanted to be Sasuke's friend and he knew it. Few others could get a rivalry thing going with them either, which normally helps the strength of both rivals I would think and especially motivates Naruto.

Two, now both of them are under the protection of Kakashi, one of the strongest ninja in the village and one known for never leaving behind teammates at that. Having them both with someone strong enough to keep them alive in tough missions, protecting two of the village's best potential assets at once.

Putting the jinchuuriki under the strongest Jonin around is probably standard, and Sasuke had to be under Kakashi specifically for sharingan/style similarity reasons.

Or this perhaps?

That and Hiruzen sort of explained why he gave Naruto to Kakashi.

Hey guys , I have come across this thread a few times and I notice you really don't talk much about the anime. Is it because of how drawn out the fights can be so they tend to make shit up to fill the time. Just curious. Also didnt like the recent manga issue. Felt like filler to me.

Well the anime is somewhat behind the times compared to the manga, so we usually talk about the manga because its actually new.

Yea, we'll occasionally mention it when something's different or looks especially cool animated, but for the most part a new episode is just the animated version of something we've read and talked about before.

All that said, have you seen Sasuke's Hawk?

YouTube video

10:50 through like 12:10.

Reversed episode and no subs but awesome hawk is still awesome.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
All that said, have you seen Sasuke's Hawk?

YouTube video

10:50 through like 12:10.

Reversed episode and no subs but awesome hawk is still awesome.

Yeah, that anime-only sequence where that Hawk aids Sasuke with the Wind Shuriken is one of the cooler sequences IMO.

Also, am I the only one who finds the abnormally large size of the Sharingan so weird? Who knew that irises were that large...or that Kishi f***ed up.

Originally posted by dadudemon
This interpretation is just as baseless as yours:

It would not seem like just a moment but it would be oblivion for years with nothing but your thoughts.

He's not like a ninja. Who knows where demons go when they are being "revived" back to this plane.

The Kyuubi did have part of its chakra/soul sealed in the Death God's belly though.

And there's nothing to support that it has in fact experienced death before.

Also, I'm pretty sure the Kyuubi already feels this way, since it has spent 16 years with nothing but its thoughts, rare interactions with Naruto and even rarer chances to control Naruto 👆

Originally posted by dadudemon
Which proves my point, perfectly, that if I could forget, why wouldn't Minato forget.

I think we agree, now, right?

Because Astral Minato wouldn't have to keep track of numerous other things in his 'life'?

Because Astral Minato does not have to cope with the stresses of life?

Because Minato is infinitely cooler than you? estahuh

That said, meh, I'll drop the age thing.

Originally posted by dadudemon
But, you see, Minato did not indicate what he could see was impaired and he's only given us reason to believe that he could see things just the same as the Kyuubi because he said, "I saw it from in here" or something.

Think of it this way: you don't have to use much energy to pick up a pencil. The world's strongest man is going to be wasting all of that strength to pick up a pencil. I put "looking" to be on the same level. Just having a little bit of chakra sealed in Naruto doesn't really make a difference.

I'll point out that he was in Naruto's consciousness when he stated that, so he likely saw it from Naruto's consciousness, which is where the Kyuubi is.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Which means you're implying that he did not see un-recent events surrounding Naruto. That's baseless and not supportable.

Lulz, your entire premise that Minato could somehow watch everything Naruto did is also baseless and is extrapolated from Minato stating that he saw that Konoha was destroyed. So you're reaching.

Q99's answer to Neph is also baseless because we don't know the exact circumstances behind the choosing of the teams (though Iruka did state that they had to balance the teams, and like Aura pointed out, Hiruzen wanted to have Kakashi look after Naruto), but that doesn't stop the answer from being plausible.
Half the shit we discuss here are theoretical views with very little support.

Now here's another idea: How do you know that Minato could in fact watch things Naruto did from wherever he was prior to his appearance? How do you know that Minato did not in fact learn and see what he did (i.e. Jiraiya's death, and Konoha's current state) the moment he appeared within Naruto's consciousness, the same place where the Kyuubi is?

Personally, I think that Astral Minato had no existence until the fight with Pain when Naruto was about to fully release the Kyuubi. Minato did state that the seal was set to have him appear at a specific point in time.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Q99's answer to Neph is also baseless because we don't know the exact circumstances behind the choosing of the teams (though Iruka did state that they had to balance the teams, and like Aura pointed out, Hiruzen wanted to have Kakashi look after Naruto), but that doesn't stop the answer from being plausible.

Being name dropped makes me feel so loved. cry

Also, in regards to this current topic, Idgaf.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Being name dropped makes me feel so loved. cry

Also, in regards to this current topic, Idgaf.

Don't get too used to it. 😛

No one cares what you think uhuh

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Don't get too used to it. 😛

No one cares what you think uhuh

Too late. awesome

I beg to differ. 313

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Too late. awesome

I beg to differ. 313

Fine. Just don't get your hopes squashed when no one else name-drops you 😛

K, no one apart from yourself. 131

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Lulz, your entire premise that Minato could somehow watch everything Naruto did is also baseless and is extrapolated from Minato stating that he saw that Konoha was destroyed. So you're reaching.

Incorrect. Baseless necessitates not having any logical reasoning and evidence (the "and" is important because having "solid ground" to stand on requires both) at all to support the claim WITH evidence.

Since there is actually no reason to believe anything contrary to Minato having the option to look any time he wanted and only reasons to believe he could, any other conclusion is baseless or illogical.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Incorrect. Baseless necessitates not having any logical reasoning and evidence (the "and" is important because having "solid ground" to stand on requires both) at all to support the claim WITH evidence.

Since there is actually no reason to believe anything contrary to Minato having the option to look any time he wanted and only reasons to believe he could, any other conclusion is baseless or illogical.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
How do you know that Minato could in fact watch things Naruto did from wherever he was prior to his appearance? How do you know that Minato did not in fact learn and see what he did (i.e. Jiraiya's death, and Konoha's current state) the moment he appeared within Naruto's consciousness, the same place where the Kyuubi is?

And how do you know he had an existence prior to his appearance in Naruto's consciousness?