That doesn't hold water though. Sasori was a complete puppet right before dying and he was brought back with a fully composed body. Nagato not being able to walk to just jarring. I mean, Zabuza couldn't use his arms before dying but he can use them just fine.
So it's inconsistent. Unless I'm missing something.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
That doesn't hold water though. Sasori was a complete puppet right before dying and he was brought back with a fully composed body. Nagato not being able to walk to just jarring. I mean, Zabuza couldn't use his arms before dying but he can use them just fine.So it's inconsistent. Unless I'm missing something.
There's also the small problem of his Rinnegan eyes not being his OWN DNA. They would have had to get DNA from his body AND the eyes in order to resurrect it with that body.
Also, his body should be whole, or whatever. Your DNA does not tell what type of "nourished" state your body was in at your death. Nor does it say anything about your weapons or clothing. 😐
Yet, they get their weapons and clothing. 😐
And I feel another one of these is necessary: 😐
Originally posted by dadudemon
There's also the small problem of his Rinnegan eyes not being his OWN DNA. They would have had to get DNA from his body AND the eyes in order to resurrect it with that body.Also, his body should be whole, or whatever. Your DNA does not tell what type of "nourished" state your body was in at your death. Nor does it say anything about your weapons or clothing. 😐
Yet, they get their weapons and clothing. 😐
And I feel another one of these is necessary: 😐
Weeeeeelllll.....we don't know exactly how Madara gave Nagato his Rinnegan or even if he did at all. As seen with the whole Sasuke explanation, Madara isn't above lying.
I'm guessing Edo Tensei make you appear in the image of whenever you were before you died. Sasori's body technically died when he did the puppet transfer so it's still plausible IMO.
Kabuto had to summon the 7 swordsman's blades, Kakuzu had to get his own hearts, and Deidara was probably given clay before being dispatched.
Oh....well it's Kishi's idea!
Oooh, what if Sasuke did it and it's his new EMS power? Sorta like Shisui's and Madara's untracible genjutsus.
Also, his body should be whole, or whatever. Your DNA does not tell what type of "nourished" state your body was in at your death. Nor does it say anything about your weapons or clothing.
Don't forget it draws back someone's soul, which informs some of that stuff.
Originally posted by Q99
Oooh, what if Sasuke did it and it's his new EMS power? Sorta like Shisui's and Madara's untracible genjutsus.
Doesn't seem like something he'd do to be honest, but who knows. I was assuming that Kishi would keep his new powers under wraps until the fight with Naruto.
Would be pretty awesome if he did not need direct eye contact to trap someone in genjutsu.
Originally posted by Q99
Hm, it may be that his legs are uninjured, it's just he needs help because his body is still in that "drained" state it's always in.He's looked like that for decades after all, as a result of his Paths jutsu.
But I mean, why would his body be drained? And that still wouldn't mean he couldn't walk. He has been walking for quite a while through his Pain bodies. It's not like he has forgotten how to walk. So I don't get why he can't walk right now. Or if he's tired, why he would be.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
But I mean, why would his body be drained? And that still wouldn't mean he couldn't walk. He has been walking for quite a while through his Pain bodies. It's not like he has forgotten how to walk. So I don't get why he can't walk right now. Or if he's tired, why he would be.
Well, now we are getting into a discussion about neurological plasticity and motor adaptation periods (compare this to a person in a coma having to go through rehab for so many months before they obtain x-amount of control over their body. It's not just about strengthening the muscles: it's also about getting the brain re-wired to activate those muscles, again). That's a bit beyond what Kishi is capable of thinking. I honestly believe you're a bit too smart for his intended plot elements. Contrast your reasoning with that of the average 12-year old boy. I don't think he's going to point out the plot mistakes, like that.
Originally posted by Q99
Don't forget it draws back someone's soul, which informs some of that stuff.
That's going from using DNA to restore the body (acceptable, but it's stil "magic" to using the DNA to restore clothing/tools) to creating things that should not be. In order to restore the rinnegan, he'd need the DNA from both the eyes and the body. Clothes? Meh: ninjas in the academy could create clothes, no problem, as part of regular training. That's okay.
It's the state Pain's body was in that does not make sense. IMO, based on what we know about Edo Tensei, he'd have to go out of his way to make the body weak and mal-nourished. The DNA should not have dictated how the body would be, at all.
It boils down to this: Kaku gets a "whole" body and Pain not. Why? It's arbitrary and makes no sense.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
But I mean, why would his body be drained? And that still wouldn't mean he couldn't walk. He has been walking for quite a while through his Pain bodies. It's not like he has forgotten how to walk. So I don't get why he can't walk right now. Or if he's tired, why he would be.
Controlling something & having them walk is completely different from you walking yourself when you haven't had the opportunity to walk for a decade or so. If I restored an amputee's arm & hand, after a few days, they still won't be able to write as easily as most of us do.
Or it's entirely a psychological aspect and he isn't yet used to the fact that he can walk now.
As for his drained body, I got nothing. Maybe Gedo Mazo affected his DNA when it 'bonded' with him? It is different from a regular summon.
EDIT: A little bit of flesh is needed for Edo Tensei I think. That might be why Sasori was brought back with flesh, and not a puppet.
Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
If flesh was needed then there is no way Deidera could be there.
Prior sample could have been obtained especially since they were from Akatsuki with Oro.
I believe Kabuto commented on that very same concept: obtaining some DNA proved very difficult, at times, for the ET.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Controlling something & having them walk is completely different from you walking yourself when you haven't had the opportunity to walk for a decade or so. If I restored an amputee's arm & hand, after a few days, they still won't be able to write as easily as most of us do.
Or it's entirely a psychological aspect and he isn't yet used to the fact that he can walk now.As for his drained body, I got nothing. Maybe Gedo Mazo affected his DNA when it 'bonded' with him? It is different from a regular summon.
Okay, I'll roll with all of that. I really will. But what about Sasori? He transformed his entire body into a puppet and seemed to have normal motor skills when he got revived. I can't imagine controlling a puppet body with chakra strings and actual walking are similar. Why is he able to get along just dandy when Nagato seems incapable? Nagato has been walking and running and jumping with his paths just fine and Edo Tensei should have given him a body capable of walking. So I just really don't get why he isn't walking.