Originally posted by Q99
Back to the original debate of where to put Minato that kicked off the Minato vs A thing, I think this solidifies him as S+ and not SS-.Both Jiraiya and A are some of the best S ranks. Minato got a couple draws against A while being acknowledged as stronger. The SS- ranked Pain was able to beat Jiraiya while still holding a good deal of his strength in reserve.
They never ended in a draw. There was nothing to indicate that they were draws considering A's reverence for Minato's abilities (the only humble thing that A has ever said). There's also nothing to indicate what I'm about to say: Minato beat his *ss so severely that Minato showed mercy, which is why we have a living A and an A that is showing reverence.
Additionally, A said Minato was unrivaled meaning he's even stronger than Pain and Madara. 🙂
That puts him as a solid SS, not SS-. 😆
Naruto dying doe sound like it would be bad, but beating the crap out of him for being insubordinate would suffice just fine with me.
You'd think after knowing the fact that two "Childern of Prophecy" have died, Naruto would know better than to listen to a giant talking sage toad when it come to potential.
I don't think Sasuke is anywhere around either Kabuto or Madara currently so I don't know how that'd work. Especially since it's only Naruto that really puts out homo qualities.
Originally posted by dadudemon
They never ended in a draw. There was nothing to indicate that they were draws considering A's reverence for Minato's abilities (the only humble thing that A has ever said). There's also nothing to indicate what I'm about to say: Minato beat his *ss so severely that Minato showed mercy, which is why we have a living A and an A that is showing reverence.Additionally, A said Minato was unrivaled meaning he's even stronger than Pain and Madara. 🙂
That puts him as a solid SS, not SS-. 😆
Well A could have gotten stronger from when they fought I suppose.
A wouldn't know if he's stronger than those two, seeing as he's never fought either of them. Though I would have though Minato beating (?) Madara showed that he was better than him personally.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Well A could have gotten stronger from when they fought I suppose.
This is 100% truth: I did not think of that.
It only stands to reason that someone as talented as A would have gotten stronger in the last 16+ years (because we do not know when he crossed paths with Minato..but it was probably during the war.)
Originally posted by Nephthys
A wouldn't know if he's stronger than those two, seeing as he's never fought either of them. Though I would have though Minato beating (?) Madara showed that he was better than him personally.
A would probably have gotten intelligence on the fight Naruto had with Pain especially since Konoha was destroyed by Pain. Pain's abilities would make him obvious in strength.
I was referring to current Madara, not the one Minato beat. I was exaggerating for teh lulz, at that point. 😄
Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Naruto dying doe sound like it would be bad, but beating the crap out of him for being insubordinate would suffice just fine with me.
This.
I'll cover this is my big long essay on where I stand about Naruto and his arrogance or lack of arrogance.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
If you're actually going to right an essay, you can consider Naruto's current Kyuubi Mode as a factor of why he is so desperate to join the battle.
Yeah, it will be long. I just wanted to hear other's opinions before I started to put into words my thought on the situation. It's always better to get second, third, or even forth opinions on character motiviations before you start on your final thoughts (feels like cawlledge, maaan!)
Originally posted by TheAuraAngelWell it probably has something to do with Madara being, on top of extremely powerful, almost impossible to capture because he can teleport through time and space at will.
Hmm...interesting idea that I hadn't thought of. Using Naruto or Bee to directly draw Madara and Kabuto out into the open...and then capture them. Now that I think about, I don't know why this wasn't done before.
And Kabuto kind of doesn't go "do" things that often.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Well it probably has something to do with Madara being, on top of extremely powerful, almost impossible to capture because he can teleport through time and space at will.And Kabuto kind of doesn't go "do" things that often.
Still, they need to try something. And they'll have to confront Madara eventually. May as well be on their terms.
Unless they can find out something he really wants...
Here's something I've thought of recently. If the only reason Madara is being forced to side with Kabuto is due to that coffin, why not just use the sharingan to force him to undo the technique and go along your merry way?
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Here's something I've thought of recently. If the only reason Madara is being forced to side with Kabuto is due to that coffin, why not just use the sharingan to force him to undo the technique and go along your merry way?
How can he force Kabuto to undo that one person? He doesn't have shisui's eye, remember? He destroyed it.
He can torture him, for sure...but then he'd have the wrath of everyone that has been resurrected, against him.
Long essay time: read only if you’re interested in characters and their development. Otherwise, it’s just a waste of time and almost complete speculation.
Does A need to be smacked down and/or put in his place by someone (like Naruto) so he’ll stop with his crappy attitude and arrogance? Most definitely. But what about Naruto?
Is Naruto going the way of A: becoming complacent in his attitude and abilities because of his string of victories and “child of prophecy” title?
Is Naruto being too much of a tard by wanting to fight so much?
I’m mostly on the fence about this but I’ll try to voice both sides as best as I can.
Naruto is not becoming complacent in his abilities, but his motivations are making him appear stupid and arrogant. When he’s serious, he does not brag about his abilities. In fact, as of late, he has been very mature to most of his situations. He is listening to the advice of others for his training, quite readily. He is strongly motivated to become a better ninja to fulfill his and his master’s dream of being a truly loving and friendly ninja (to stop the “cycle of pain). He does seem naïve about this specific pursuit but, in reality, it’s all of the other characters that are naïve and Naruto only SEEMS naïve because the others do not want to cast away their prejudices and hate. Naruto actually has the more intelligent approach: forgive and stop the cycle of pain. It’s naïve to think that getting your revenge will provide satisfaction and end the pain: it doesn’t. So, technically, Naruto is the one that is not naïve an all others are the naïve ones. Naruto has realized at a super young age (beyond what even the oldest of ninjas have done) that the sh*t has to stop somewhere or it will never stop.
But onwards to his complacency: is he becoming a douche, as of late, with his “fight in the war” pursuit? I have a really hard time saying anything but “yes, he’s becoming a freaking idiot.” But here’s his justification: “They are all fighting for me to build a better world but in the process, most of them will die leaving few to share that new world with and defeating my entire purpose of building a new world together.” I understand his point: it doesn’t matter if they win when many of them are dying. He can feel their lives being snuffed out for his sake. He would rather die fighting for them than to allow them to die for him. He is confident that his participation would greatly turn the tied in the SA’s favor and that’s the truth. Naruto has the speed and strength of A, the chakra of B, the battle smarts of Kakashi, the techniques of Minato and Jiraiya, and ninja friends from multiple nations. BUT, the problem with that: if (and it could actually be a possibility of when, not if) Naruto gets captured, the war is largely over.
However, and this is major speculation: it would appear that B is actually the only piece left and Naruto can fight all he wants. Here’s why: Madara already captured enough 9-tails chakra in the form of the Brothers. He doesn’t need Naruto anymore so Naruto can participate. It’s possible Naruto detected this as he did make mention of it, vaguely.
So should Naruto back down? Maybe. I see him backing down and hiding as a good choice, for the moment. But why can’t Naruto make some shadow clones to help fight? Surely a Sage Mode shadow clone is worth 2-3 low S-rank ninja? Naruto could make 2 or 3 at a time and really lend a major hand WHILE reducing the casualties. I see the current situation as more of a plot device than being necessary.
Naruto is being stupid, but he’s not arrogant or complacent like A. I would still like Naruto to beat down A but I would also like to see something revealed that:
1. Makes Naruto’s participation not needed.
2. Makes Naruto back down.
These were my thoughts. Lots of thoughts.
Please, critique,point out errors, inject your own thoughts, add to mine, etc.
Originally posted by dadudemon
How can he force Kabuto to undo that one person? He doesn't have shisui's eye, remember? He destroyed it.He can torture him, for sure...but then he'd have the wrath of everyone that has been resurrected, against him.
Kabuto hinted that his current Sharingan would be enough.
They aren't really threats.
Originally posted by dadudemon
They never ended in a draw. There was nothing to indicate that they were draws considering A's reverence for Minato's abilities (the only humble thing that A has ever said). There's also nothing to indicate what I'm about to say: Minato beat his *ss so severely that Minato showed mercy, which is why we have a living A and an A that is showing reverence.Additionally, A said Minato was unrivaled meaning he's even stronger than Pain and Madara. 🙂
That puts him as a solid SS, not SS-. 😆
A considered their clashes casually enough to just call it 'butting heads,' so it sure doesn't sound like losses to me ^^
No way is Minato higher ranked than Pain 🙂 A never even met Nagato for comparison. Or Madara in battle (his appearance at the summit definitely didn't show too much of his true power).
Originally posted by Q99
A considered their clashes casually enough to just call it 'butting heads,' so it sure doesn't sound like losses to me ^^No way is Minato higher ranked than Pain 🙂 A never even met Nagato for comparison. Or Madara in battle (his appearance at the summit definitely didn't show too much of his true power).
But A is insulting Minato, meaning he is probably insecure about his loses. awesome
Yeah, if the lists are composed of shinobi based on power and variety, no one can really top Pain, for the sheer fact that he is Six People all with their own specialties. Though some are repeated, which I hate.
Originally posted by dadudemonyou can see both sides reasons for doing what they do; the raikage and the others are simply recognizing their king pieces want to do their own thing when the point of the fight is to keep them out of the fray, and naruto n' b (mostly naruto) want to fight since they are more powerful than the rest of the allied hidden villages combined, and at least in naruto's case, he feels that all the people fighting for him are his new friends/family as his whole life has been to prove to them he's worthy of their attention/praise
naruto has never stayed out of a fight he was aware of, even if the hokage orders him not to fight. they might as well just back him up this time instead of letting him save their asses in the last quarter
Originally posted by Q99
A considered their clashes casually enough to just call it 'butting heads,' so it sure doesn't sound like losses to me ^^
This is A...the most unhumble guy in all of Naruto. Regardless of butting heads, he certainly reverences Minato. This means that this arrogant poopoo head got his *ss thoroughly handed to him. 🙂
Originally posted by Q99
No way is Minato higher ranked than Pain 🙂 A never even met Nagato for comparison. Or Madara in battle (his appearance at the summit definitely didn't show too much of his true power).
I'm using scans/screenfeats!!!!!
The m-er f-in Raikage said "unrivaled"!!!!! MEOW!
Dat means Minato is SS!!!!!!! 😆 😆 😆