Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Through intercourse with Kushina. That in fact is the best feat in the manga.
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You just won the threads.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Nah, best feat would be Sasuke resisting Mei's offer for sex. Minato's feat is lowered by the fact that Naruto was born out of their romp, and that Mei > Kushina.dur
Dis is troof!
Originally posted by NemeBro
Minato only just barely avoided A's attack using FTG. 😐Minato only has to think to use it, and A's fist was less than an inch away from his face.
Saying Minato has the best reflexes based on this feat is wank.
Yeah, he didn't know what was happening until the fist was less than an inch of his face. That's better than a very powerful sharingan user's feat. 🙂
Saying Minato has the best reflexes, by far, is just fact. Deal with it. kitty
Originally posted by Nephthys
Maybe because lightning ain't the best element to try and cut lightning with perhaps?
That was my theory, as well. Even A's words suggest that.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
If Minato's attack was going to be oh so ineffective, why would Bee bother blocking it? 😮
This was my reasoning coupled with A's suprise that Sasuke's lightning blade actually pierced his armor. Q99's assessment of it never being "mentioned" is only partially true. Sure, there's nothing directly mentioned but it seems quite clear, though implicit, that A was meaning that he was surprised that the lightning blade piercing his lightning armor was quite a good feat. The implied is the lighning armor should null the blade's attack, quite easily. I think what the scene is actually trying to show us is Sasuke's lightning is more concentrated/powerful than A's armor...as far as the ability to pierce goes.
Originally posted by Q99
If two jutsu don't have elemental advantage over the other, in general the one with more chakra in it should win, barring special properties. Considering A's chakra is called 'Biju like,' the armor should be very strong 🙂
I think that A's armor is really strong but the piercing properties o Sasuk's blade and how concentrated his blade was compared to the armor, is what allowed chakra lightning to pierce chakra armor. If Sasuke would have chosen something else other than lightning, he would have been more successful (assuming another A-level attack...no pun intended.)
Originally posted by dadudemon
I think that A's armor is really strong but the piercing properties o Sasuk's blade and how concentrated his blade was compared to the armor, is what allowed chakra lightning to pierce chakra armor. If Sasuke would have chosen something else other than lightning, he would have been more successful (assuming another A-level attack...no pun intended.)
I don't think most things other than lightning would've done any better. Wind would've, but if there was some kind of "fire chidori," or pure-chakra? You'd have pretty much the same situation.
Originally posted by Q99
I don't think most things other than lightning would've done any better.
I disagree based on A's words about it. He was shocked that the lightning based attack could pierce his armor...that's a paraphrase from A.
Originally posted by Q99
Wind would've, but if there was some kind of "fire chidori," or pure-chakra? You'd have pretty much the same situation.
I disagree: anything would have been better than Lightning even the weaker earth element. On what grounds? A's words...it would appear that the lightning shroud would just absorb/reflect lightning that wasn't of extremely high concentration.
Originally posted by dadudemon
I disagree based on A's words about it. He was shocked that the lightning based attack could pierce his armor...that's a paraphrase from A.
The phrasings I've seen was neutral as to the lightning-lightning side, and the Viz translation even lightly implies it penetrated because it was Raiton.
"To be able to even touch me while I'm in Raiton armor... that's really something!"
He describes the attack in one bubble, recognizing it as Kakashi's. Then he's impressed that Sasuke could touch him at all through the armor in a separate thought.
No-where can I find did he say or imply his armor absorbed Raiton attacks, either.
Originally posted by Q99
The phrasings I've seen was neutral as to the lightning-lightning side, and the Viz translation even lightly implies it penetrated because it was Raiton."To be able to even touch me while I'm in Raiton armor... that's really something!"
He describes the attack in one bubble, recognizing it as Kakashi's. Then he's impressed that Sasuke could touch him at all through the armor in a separate thought.
No-where can I find did he say or imply his armor absorbed Raiton attacks, either.
That's not what my point was, at all. You took a side-point (tangent) and ran with it.
The point was, specifically, a lightning based attack against the lightning armor would be weak against his lightning armor specifically because A implied that.
The reasons I listed are irrelevant to the point. They are obviously baseless speculation.
Basically, the Raikage was amazed that Sasuke could even touch him with the lightning blade. That's a paraphrase.
The point was, specifically, a lightning based attack against the lightning armor would be weak against his lightning armor specifically because A implied that.
Where? The page I linked didn't imply that, is it somewhere else?
Basically, the Raikage was amazed that Sasuke could even touch him with the lightning blade. That's a paraphrase.
Raikage was amazed Sasuke could touch him period, and was impressed by the move that did it, as I read it.
Originally posted by Q99
Raikage was amazed Sasuke could touch him period, and was impressed by the move that did it, as I read it.
Originally posted by King Kandy
I don't think A was implying that at all... it seems plain he just meant to say that he would be surprised by any attack penetrating the shroud.
I agree mostly. I just think he was surprised that the lightning blade was able to do what it did because it was lightning.
So I'm with you 75%.
I don't think the armor provides as much protection as you guys are giving it.
to me, it sounds like Raikage was saying the opposite. He mentioned how the raiton enhanced the penetrative power, to me making him note its efficacy at doing that. Nothing to do with it having some weakness, but rather that it displayed amazing abilities to penetrate (as doing so to the shroud is nearly impossible).
In your benefit, however, I had earlier seen suggestions (on another forum) that note that in battles between two raiton-type ninja, their attacks usually do little damage. Examples include killerbee vs sasuke, Darui's lightning technique hitting sasuke, raikage vs sasuke, etc. So there may be something else, too.
- In regards to what you all are discussing, I'll point out one overlooked fact:
Amaterasu went through the Shroud as if it were not even there, twice. I highly doubt Amaterasu can burn something that is just pure chakra. It wasn't even shown to burn through the Armor anyway; it just bypassed it completely.
So yeah, with A's words taken into account, I'm guessing the shroud has selective defensive properties (only usefuly against physical-based attacks most likely), and that certain types of attacks would just bypass the Armor.
- The whole Lightning nulled Lightning idea sounds perfectly plausible as well IMO. Sasuke failed to cut through B's sword who imbued it with Lightning, and B's sword stopped cutting through Kubikiribôchô once Sasuke imbued it with Lightning.
There are a lot more Lightning nulling Lightning examples as well. Like Killer Bee's stab on Sasuke not being fatal, as Sasuke had channeled Lightning through his body, or Darui's Raiton tech having no effect on Sasuke.
That said, A is simply amazed that Chidori was able to touch him at all, and not because it was a Raiton tech overpowering his Raiton shroud.
Originally posted by Q99
If two jutsu don't have elemental advantage over the other, in general the one with more chakra in it should win, barring special properties. Considering A's chakra is called 'Biju like,' the armor should be very strong 🙂
While A does have a lot of chakra put into that Shroud (he only went to Bijuu levels when he wanted to counter Amaterasu), he's still emitting all that chakra throughout his entire body, whereas Sasuke is focusing a massive amount of chakra on just his left hand. It stands to reason that Sasuke's Chidori would be more concentrated than Raikage's Shroud.
It's the same deal between the Chidori, and the Chidori Nagashi. Chidori Nagashi is like the Raiton Armor's very little brother.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Yeah, he didn't know what was happening until the fist was less than an inch of his face. That's better than a very powerful sharingan user's feat. 🙂Saying Minato has the best reflexes, by far, is just fact. Deal with it. kitty
Sasuke knew what was happening when Raikage's elbow was a foot or so away, and he dodged it without a stupidly-hax tech like FTG.
Top Tier for sure. Best? Hard to say.
Interesting how the jinchuuriki were all coming from one family, even after three failures.
This seems to suggest to me that "Blood line with lots of chakra" is probably one of the physical requirements for the job.
- The whole Lightning nulled Lightning idea sounds perfectly plausible as well IMO. Sasuke failed to cut through B's sword who imbued it with Lightning, and B's sword stopped cutting through Kubikiribôchô once Sasuke imbued it with Lightning.
Sasuke's sword and non-lightning chakra flow blades the Samurai wielded behaved the same way, I'll note. I think that's normal chakra interaction.
My point is only we've seen no sign that lightning armor gives any special defense against lightning, that is if there was a non-elemental version of Chidori that managed to have the same piercing focus, I don't have reason to believe it'd perform any better or worse. Lightning chakra can block lightning chakra, but it can block non-elemental chakra just as well.