He seems hesitant from the very beginning. Kakashi actually had the nerve to pull rank on him. Funny.
That and he blocked the kunai from the very beginning of Kakashi's charge. I do think he realized the problems with the technique.
He seems hesitant from the very beginning. Kakashi actually had the nerve to pull rank on him. Funny.
That and he blocked the kunai from the very beginning of Kakashi's charge. I do think he realized the problems with the technique.
Originally posted by King Kandy
Sure, but that doesn't mean there's an elemental advantage. That means that the raiton armor is just that tough.
No, no one is saying it has an elemental advantage: it has an elemental nullifcation because they are both lightning. Sasuke's only got as far as it did because of how concentrated and "shape manipulated" it was.
It was the worst or second worst possible attack he could have made against Raikage because of the elemental nullifcation that occured.
Originally posted by dadudemon
No, no one is saying it has an elemental advantage: it has an elemental nullifcation because they are both lightning. Sasuke's only got as far as it did because of how concentrated and "shape manipulated" it was.It was the worst or second worst possible attack he could have made against Raikage because of the elemental nullifcation that occured.
Originally posted by dadudemon
No, no one is saying it has an elemental advantage: it has an elemental nullifcation because they are both lightning. Sasuke's only got as far as it did because of how concentrated and "shape manipulated" it was.It was the worst or second worst possible attack he could have made against Raikage because of the elemental nullifcation that occured.
That sounds like an advantage to me. You're saying it's not 'elemental advantage,' but also claiming that lightning vs lightning has specific properties that gives an advantage to one side/ can *only* do what it does because it's facing a specific element.
There's nothing to indicate it wouldn't nullify any other non-wind element or non-element jutsu just as well.
Originally posted by Q99
That sounds like an advantage to me. You're saying it's not 'elemental advantage,' but also claiming that lightning vs lightning has specific properties that gives an advantage to one side/ can *only* do what it does because it's facing a specific element.
No, advantage would be Wind. 🙂
Disadvantaged would be Earth.
Nulled due to canceling each other out? That's not an "advantage", that's nullification.
Originally posted by Q99
There's nothing to indicate it wouldn't nullify any other non-wind element or non-element jutsu just as well.
Except that there is something to indicate that and I've already named it.
Neither seem to be nullified. Until...
So it would appear that two techniques of the same level(which they are here obviously) do not have a distinct advantage or disadvantage over the other. One can make the argument that Sasuke's flame was going to win because his CS was most likely helping to fuel it but I don't really care.
The only time where fire completely overwhelmed other fire is when the former fire was on a higher scale of power than the latter.
So in the case of the Sasuke vs A clash, I'd think it would be one of the two following cases:
1. Sasuke's chidori is simply a slightly better technique and thus could penetrate it. Justified because the shroud is more spread out and likely less concentrated than the more focused chidori.
2. Sasuke simply put more chakra into the attack. Justified because A was more focused on attacking Sasuke with his elbow than defending himself, meaning chidori could overpower the shroud.
I've lost track of this debate. 😐
Seems like you guys are just arguing in circles. Wait until another manga fight between Minato & A comes up. facepalm2
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Fire vs Fire.Neither seem to be nullified. Until...
So it would appear that two techniques of the same level(which they are here obviously) do not have a distinct advantage or disadvantage over the other. One can make the argument that Sasuke's flame was going to win because his CS was most likely helping to fuel it but I don't really care.
The only time where fire completely overwhelmed other fire is when the former fire was on a higher scale of power than the latter.
So in the case of the Sasuke vs A clash, I'd think it would be one of the two following cases:
1. Sasuke's chidori is simply a slightly better technique and thus could penetrate it. Justified because the shroud is more spread out and likely less concentrated than the more focused chidori.
2. Sasuke simply put more chakra into the attack. Justified because A was more focused on attacking Sasuke with his elbow than defending himself, meaning chidori could overpower the shroud.
http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-334/page014.html
http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-334/page015.html
What would you call that? In all honesty, I see nullification. Sasuke has also nullified Lightning attacks by running Lightning through his body, twice.
Combination of both, or just #1 IMO. #2 is partly justified and an extension of #1; we don't know if A can control the output of Raiton chakra over a specific part of his body.
And yeah, A was just surprised that any attack could have hit him while he had the Shroud up. Could be that Kishi f***ed up, and/or A doesn't really know the limits of his Shroud (seeing as Amaterasu went through it instantly).
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-334/page014.html
http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-334/page015.htmlWhat would you call that? In all honesty, I see nullification. Sasuke has also nullified Lightning attacks by running Lightning through his body, twice.
Combination of both, or just #1 IMO. #2 is partly justified and an extension of #1; we don't know if A can control the output of Raiton chakra over a specific part of his body.
And yeah, A was just surprised that any attack could have hit him while he had the Shroud up. Could be that Kishi f***ed up, and/or A doesn't really know the limits of his Shroud (seeing as Amaterasu went through it instantly).
I'd call that link's don't work, please use mangafox instead. 😛
And that example really isn't as relevant to the Sasuke vs A thing. There we have a long distance lightning attack being blocked by a most likely more power and concentrated lightning attack. And Sasuke's thing could easily be the same.
The same attacks doing nil to each other once again.
That could be explained because both attacks are the same and Kakashi is putting in an equal amount of power. Also, it is water. Maybe the element being used determines exactly how the two techniques will affect one another.
This all very well could be answered by what type of attack is being used. Long distance attacks are long distance and general weaker(Chidori spear being weaker than Chidori for example).
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
I'd call that link's don't work, please use mangafox instead. 😛And that example really isn't as relevant to the Sasuke vs A thing. There we have a long distance lightning attack being blocked by a most likely more power and concentrated lightning attack. And Sasuke's thing could easily be the same.
The same attacks doing nil to each other once again.
That could be explained because both attacks are the same and Kakashi is putting in an equal amount of power. Also, it is water. Maybe the element being used determines exactly how the two techniques will affect one another.
This all very well could be answered by what type of attack is being used. Long distance attacks are long distance and general weaker(Chidori spear being weaker than Chidori for example).
You suck man. 😛
It's relevant as it shows us what happens when two Raiton techs collide, which is what you all are discussing. There are only two other
Kakuzu's tech isn't blocked, but completely negated/dispersed by Kakashi's Raikiri. In your Fire example, Sasuke's jutsu was more powerful, and it never dispersed Itachi's Katon, it just pushed it back. (Explainable, as Sasuke is exhaling Fire out continuously)
Though Itachi's Amaterasu was powerful and hot enough to envelop it.
You could make the argument that Kakashi's Raikiri was more powerful than that attack (which it likely is), but it looks like Raikiri nearly disappeared in the process as well.
No such distinction is made in the manga (that Long distance attacks are generally weaker than short distance ones). Chidori Spear is weaker than Chidori because Chidori Spear is stretched out using the same amount of chakra, and the user doesn't run at a blinding speed towards his target.
I agree though, it all comes down to power and/or Elemental Advantage in a jutsu clash.
However, based on what we've seen, Lightning seems to be the only element capable of negating the effects of another tech of the same element. Could be because it isn't a physical substance like Wind, Water or Earth.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Fire vs Fire.Neither seem to be nullified. Until...
So it would appear that two techniques of the same level(which they are here obviously) do not have a distinct advantage or disadvantage over the other. One can make the argument that Sasuke's flame was going to win because his CS was most likely helping to fuel it but I don't really care.
The only time where fire completely overwhelmed other fire is when the former fire was on a higher scale of power than the latter.
So in the case of the Sasuke vs A clash, I'd think it would be one of the two following cases:
1. Sasuke's chidori is simply a slightly better technique and thus could penetrate it. Justified because the shroud is more spread out and likely less concentrated than the more focused chidori.
2. Sasuke simply put more chakra into the attack. Justified because A was more focused on attacking Sasuke with his elbow than defending himself, meaning chidori could overpower the shroud.
Here's plain ol' amaterasu being referred to as an Enton:
The Databook calls Amaterasu a Fire-Style jutsu. Though why exactly it is a Katon jutsu eludes me (apart from it being Fire), seeing as Amaterasu is tied to the Mangekyou Sharingan, and that it looks and acts like no other Katon jutsu.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Enton is when it is being controlled by the opposite eye. Or when it is being used in defense. As far as I can tell.
Enton is when he shape manipulates Amaterasu's flames. So both and more, really. 😛
Originally posted by King Kandy
But he just used the exactly normal version, and he called it an enton. So what you can tell, is wrong.
O RLY?
Normal. Used by his left eye.
Enton. Controlled by his right eye.
Since Itachi was using the eye that made Amaterasu instead of his other eye, he was using Katon.
Then again, if the anime is to be believed, Sasuke was using his left eye against Gaara. So IDK, maybe it is Enton normally. Wiki says otherwise and I do consider it to be Enton when it is being shaped.