The Official Naruto series Thread

Originally posted by Q99
My point is only we've seen no sign that lightning armor gives any special defense against lightning, that is if there was a non-elemental version of Chidori that managed to have the same piercing focus, I don't have reason to believe it'd perform any better or worse. Lightning chakra can block lightning chakra, but it can block non-elemental chakra just as well.

Except that the Raiton Armor DOES have special defense against the Chidori: anyone else would have been skewered like a fish. 🙂

Here's an idea: A's technique puts the shroud around his whole body. Obviously such a technique requires considerable amount of concentration . Perhaps when A's concentration is slightly broken, like when Minato managed to dodge him, the shroud weakens a bit.

Originally posted by Q99
Interesting how the jinchuuriki were all coming from one family, even after three failures.

This seems to suggest to me that "Blood line with lots of chakra" is probably one of the physical requirements for the job.

Sasuke's sword and non-lightning chakra flow blades the Samurai wielded behaved the same way, I'll note. I think that's normal chakra interaction.

Point, but it was really only against Mifune. Sasuke won out against the regular Samurai.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Except that the Raiton Armor DOES have special defense against the Chidori

Originally posted by Q99
Interesting how the jinchuuriki were all coming from one family, even after three failures.

This seems to suggest to me that "Blood line with lots of chakra" is probably one of the physical requirements for the job.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Except that the Raiton Armor DOES have special defense against the Chidori: anyone else would have been skewered like a fish. 🙂

Originally posted by King Kandy
??? Bee was adopted as A's brother; they aren't the same bloodline at all, right?

That guy who was the Jinchuuriki before Bee was actually Bee's cousin. And it seemed that it ran in the family.

Oh, I missed that. Cool, good to know. It is traditional for relatives of the kage to become jinchuuriki, so maybe even if Bee was not literally A's brother, they may have still belonged to the same clan? That could also explain why A has so much chakra.

B's family may be like the Uzumakis.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Except that the Raiton Armor DOES have special defense against the Chidori: anyone else would have been skewered like a fish. 🙂

'Special' in the sense of different-than-normal defense.

That's the raiton armor's "Normal" defense in action.

Originally posted by Q99
B's family may be like the Uzumakis.

'Special' in the sense of different-than-normal defense.

That's the raiton armor's "Normal" defense in action.

No, special as in blocking an ultra-piercing attack from making it very far. That implies that it directly affected that lightning based attack.

Minato did not seem concerned, at all, about that armor and he clearly saw it.

This tells me that the "armor" is not really armor and it forces me to realize that that the armor was just extra effective against lightning based attacks.

Originally posted by King Kandy
When is that ever stated? From where i'm looking, it sounds like he was saying the exact opposite; that the armor protects from all techniques, and Chidori was actually extra-effective against it, not less effective.

It was much less effective against it as anyone else would been skewered like they were butter.

Originally posted by dadudemon
No, special as in blocking an ultra-piercing attack from making it very far. That implies that it directly affected that lightning based attack.

Minato did not seem concerned, at all, about that armor and he clearly saw it.

This tells me that the "armor" is not really armor and it forces me to realize that that the armor was just extra effective against lightning based attacks.

You're still making the jump that it's special against lightning. We haven't seen it perform any worse against other attacks (And nor would Minato have experience with it to know how tough it was; it's not like looking at it gives it away), and no-one has said or implied there's a difference between lightning or non against it.

Originally posted by Q99
You're still making the jump that it's special against lightning. We haven't seen it perform any worse against other attacks (And nor would Minato have experience with it to know how tough it was; it's not like looking at it gives it away), and no-one has said or implied there's a difference between lightning or non against it.

Since Minato thought he could easily take down A with his "armor" on, I've made my conclusion. 🙂

It's not really "armor." It offers marginal defenses, at best, and a significant defense against lightning based attacks.

I think the fact they treat it like armor speaks against that, but here's another one for you: How do you know lightning is the X-factor? What if it works against any pure chakra attack, but stuff like physical ones get through?

Originally posted by Q99
I think the fact they treat it like armor speaks against that,

I disagree since I already stated, specifically, that it's a weak armor. I'm not saying it's not armor...I'm saying it's a weak armor.

Originally posted by Q99
but here's another one for you: How do you know lightning is the X-factor? What if it works against any pure chakra attack, but stuff like physical ones get through?

That's easy as it's already been covered: the lightning blades just bounced off of eachother. Obviously, there's a nullifier in using lightning against lightning. There is not doubt about that. The only reason Sasuke's lighting blade reached A's chest is for the following reason: Sasuke's lightning was focused and it's penetration power was so high that even the same type of nature chakra did not cause it to do what we saw happen at other times.

Had Sasuke used anything else for a chakra blade...especially a wind blad (which should not be that difficult), he would have cut the Raikage with ease. The fact that Sasuke used lightning actually made it more difficult to cut through the Raikage's lightning armor.

I disagree since I already stated, specifically, that it's a weak armor. I'm not saying it's not armor...I'm saying it's a weak armor.

But the characters were impressed that it had been pierced at all, with no mention that it was weak against lightning.

That's easy as it's already been covered: the lightning blades just bounced off of eachother.

But again, so do lightning and other normal chakra blades. That clearly isn't lightning specific.

Originally posted by Q99
But the characters were impressed that it had been pierced at all, with no mention that it was weak against lightning.

Using a lack of evidence to support your argument cannot be done. If we were to use that line of reasoning, we could say really crazy things.

The only thing I'm basing my opinion on his Minato's confidence in being able to WTF PWN A with just a metal Kunai, lightning obviously having a resistance to other lighthing based attacks (lightning blades), and the fact that A was surprised that Sasuke got as far as he did.

I'm about 75% positive that his armor being lightning based protected him much more than it should have.

Originally posted by Q99
But again, so do lightning and other normal chakra blades. That clearly isn't lightning specific.

I don't know what you're talking about because we clearly saw that infusing your blade with lightning against another blade infused with lightning cause them to just bounce off of eachother but infusing them with chakra (like the Samurai) did nothing and the lightning blade cut right through the Samurai blades.

It's clearly lightning specific.

Unless you're saying that two chakra infused blades just bounce off of eachother, just like two lightning blades doing the same to each other. In which case.....YES! That's exactly what I'm sayin'! 😄 The lightning infusion causes them to immune to the extreme cutting effects they have on each other.

Originally posted by dadudemon
It was much less effective against it as anyone else would been skewered like they were butter.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Oh, I missed that. Cool, good to know. It is traditional for relatives of the kage to become jinchuuriki, so maybe even if Bee was not literally A's brother, they may have still belonged to the same clan? That could also explain why A has so much chakra.

Well aside from Gaara I can't think of anyone directly related to any Kage. Unless you wanna be technical about Mito being distant cousins with Hashirama.

Originally posted by Q99
(And nor would Minato have experience with it to know how tough it was; it's not like looking at it gives it away)

This is Minato we're talking about. He saw chidori for a split second and knew all the problems with it. So I don't know if he'd have figured out a problem with the armor or not.

Minato actually saw the chidori applied against over a dozen enemy clones and then Kakashi attacked by the clone maker.

He'd yet to see the armor in action.

If he'd seen an actual clash where the armor had been attacked, even once, I'd agree with you.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Well aside from Gaara I can't think of anyone directly related to any Kage. Unless you wanna be technical about Mito being distant cousins with Hashirama.

In any case, what I say is shown here, proof positive:

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v52/c493/14.html