Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
The White Zetsu with the Black Zetsu is stronger than those in the clone army. So I don't see it personally.
Is it?
I mean, I guess it had the spore jutsu, but we haven't seen it do squat physically.
Originally posted by dadudemon
I disagree because the sheer amount of Zetsus would have required that 2-3 break off back at the "hive" when he made his various previous experiences.
I don't see a problem with the number. He could've been budding practically since the Valley of the End.
IIRC, they were grown off of a tree back at the hideout near the Gedo statue.
They were linked to the tree, but that could just be sustaining them. It's hard to stockpile living things in large underground caves for years without deadloss, after all.
Or the tree could be the source; just getting out all the options.
Originally posted by Q99
I don't see a problem with the number. He could've been budding practically since the Valley of the End.
This is a baseless time application.
Just as baseless as me saying that we should have seen one bud off of the Zetzu any the various times we saw him talking...or is what I said really baseless???? dun dun dun....
We would have seen SOMETHING growing off of Zetsu at one point or another.
Let's take 6 months.
Average month is 30.4 days.
6*30.4 = 182.4
182.4 days * 24 hours to get the number of hours in each of those days: 4377.6
4377.6 * 60 minutes to see how many minutes in those hours: 262656
Divide that number by 100,000 to see how many Zetsus would have to be created, a minute, to meet the quota: 2.6
2.6 Zetsus a minute. 2.6
2.6
Double the time, divide your answer by two:
1.3 a minute.
That's a year of building Zetsus and he's still making 1.3 every minute.
Double that to two years: .65 every minute.
.65 every minute assuming he started 2 years ago.
2 years ago.
2 years ago.
Lemme repeat: 2 years ago.
Double that.
4 years.
.325 every minute OR about a third of one in a minute.
4 years ago, he was making one about every 3 minutes.
Do you still hold the same idea when clearly, far more than 3 minutes passed when they were sealing Gaara's bijuu into the tower for 3 days and we did not see, once, a Zetsu break off that had grown off from Zetsu? That would have ruined Madara's "secrecy" in his plans.
How long ago was that?
Maybe a year, at the absolute most?
Even at a year, that's still 1.3 Zetsus every minute. That means at any given point that we saw Zetsu, we would have seen a 50% complete or more Zetsu, growing out of Zetsu. That's a giant majority of the time to NOT have see a Zetsu growing out of Zetsu even once...especially during the time that Zetsu was remote sealing Shukaku.
BUT...I digress.
I honestly think it started here:
http://manga.animea.net/naruto-chapter-459-page-12.html
http://manga.animea.net/naruto-chapter-459-page-13.html
Madara asks Zetsu if he was ready and then commanded him to "begin."
It seems more likely that that refers to a mass replication from Zetsu as a few chapters previous, after he commanded Sasuke to do his thing...he told Zetsu that it was time to move onto his "moon's eye plan." Part of the "begin" would seem his mass replication of Zetsus, destroying the Kages (he had hoped Sasuke would take out all the Kages at once...as we later found at.)
Based on that, that's when he started replicating all of those Zetsus...not before then.
That makes perfect sense since he needed as many Bijuu as possible AND we know that he began the moon's eye plan a bit early: he wanted to have all the Bijuu before it began.
Based on this information, Zetsu would have only been replicating since less than a year ago...close to 6 months. That means that any moment we saw him, he should have been replicating almost 3 a minute.
All of that is irrelevant:
We know exactly how they were replicated: from a "tree-like" object that was connected to and draining chakra from the Gedo statue,.
Originally posted by Q99
They were linked to the tree, but that could just be sustaining them. It's hard to stockpile living things in large underground caves for years without deadloss, after all.
All the more reason why he wasn't replicating it for years: it was closer to one month than it was 6 months, for sure.
It was also not done directly from his "black" body, as well.
Originally posted by Q99
Or the tree could be the source; just getting out all the options.
The "tree" is definitely the source.
Originally posted by King Kandy
That's what I said; the black is the original. It creates white ones via budding.
I read your post wrong, then:
"I think the black zetsu buds off white ones."
I read that as "black zetsu buds off of white ones."
Not, "The black Zetsu creates white ones and they fall off or something."
Hm, yea, I think I'm going to agree the tree is the source after those arguments.
More White-sides can clearly be produced, but the difference between a proper white side and a clone is clear.
Sidenote, I wonder how weak the pre-Yamato enhanced clones were, if they're already weaker than the original White with it.
Originally posted by Q99
Hm, yea, I think I'm going to agree the tree is the source after those arguments.More White-sides can clearly be produced, but the difference between a proper white side and a clone is clear.
Sidenote, I wonder how weak the pre-Yamato enhanced clones were, if they're already weaker than the original White with it.
After mine you mean. 😛
They must have been pretty darn weak. Then again, we don't know how strong those enhancements are. And hurhurhur at the word enhancement.
Originally posted by Q99
Sidenote, I wonder how weak the pre-Yamato enhanced clones were, if they're already weaker than the original White with it.
IIRC, they weren't first Hokage clones: they were live humans being forcibly fused with the first's cells. They were more like hybrids. Remember all of those babies? Oro stole the babies and/or slaughtered the parents.
I believe this particular story was fleshed out better (and done well, if you're a fan of Oro) in the Anime.
Originally posted by dadudemon
IIRC, they weren't first Hokage clones: they were live humans being forcibly fused with the first's cells. They were more like hybrids. Remember all of those babies? Oro stole the babies and/or slaughtered the parents.
No, no. I mean the Zetsu clones, pre-Kabuto enhancing them with Yamato's power.
I presume the babies were as strong as babies.
Originally posted by psycho gundamSpoiler:
i think we get to see some zombie action again this time (something about magnets *shrug*), and the chapter ends with mu vs onoki (and they both use some technique that busts the ground up as far as i can tell), and gaara vs his pops i think
Yep the new chapter is out and nothing happening in the previous chapter was explained....go figure 😐
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Onoki and Muu have some DBZ clash. 2nd Mizukage and 3 Raikage have nothing to do. Gaara's dad has some Gold-Dust technique that seemed to be an asspull move especially the rings around his eyes. Gaara can conrtol massive amounts of sand just like he did with the Shukaku. I don't know how but I can accept that much. Naruto's clones aren't reported either and fodder magnetism guy is taken out in like two panels
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The magnetism kekkei genkai is the same one the 3rd Kazekage used, except Gaara's dad uses a variant with gold dust, and Cloud apparently stole it or something because they have a user too, but their user is far weaker and gets pwned by Naruto.Gaara's chakra is probably very naturally high from a combination of being the Kage's son, being a jinchuuriki for awhile and thus his own chakra developing in response, and simple training.
Next chapter should be awesome 🙂
Gold isn't even magnetic and the first ninja who showed up, well his powers didn't even make sense in the slightest. He somehow distorted the charge distribution of a human being and turned him into a permanent magnet. How that didn't kill him is beyond me.
The only remotely decent thing about this chapter was the subatomic separation technique.
Originally posted by Q99Spoiler:
The magnetism kekkei genkai is the same one the 3rd Kazekage used, except Gaara's dad uses a variant with gold dust, and Cloud apparently stole it or something because they have a user too, but their user is far weaker and gets pwned by Naruto.Gaara's chakra is probably very naturally high from a combination of being the Kage's son, being a jinchuuriki for awhile and thus his own chakra developing in response, and simple training.
Next chapter should be awesome 🙂
Spoiler:
Gaara and his siblings have crappy luck. Not one of them got their dad's techniques.
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I really would like to know how Kumo is still alive. You'd figure after they stole something for the fifth time the villages would wise up and kill them.
Originally posted by Astner
Gold isn't even magnetic and the first ninja who showed up, well his powers didn't even make sense in the slightest. He somehow distorted the charge distribution of a human being and turned him into a permanent magnet. How that didn't kill him is beyond me.The only remotely decent thing about this chapter was the subatomic separation technique.
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Fiction is cool like that.
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So Gaara's dad basically stopped a Tailed Beast by himself. Sure it was the weakest Tailed Beast, and he nullified the Sand, but still, great feat.
But Iron Sand > Gold Dust.
Spoiler:
Now that we saw the tech Onoki was going to use against Deidara, it likely wouldn't 'blow' up the Island, nor was it Island-Sized, but a tech like that could still do major damage.