The Official Naruto series Thread

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix

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So Gaara's dad basically stopped a Tailed Beast by himself. Sure it was the weakest Tailed Beast, and he nullified the Sand, but still, great feat.

But Iron Sand > Gold Dust.

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Now that we saw the tech Onoki was going to use against Deidara, it likely wouldn't 'blow' up the Island, nor was it Island-Sized, but a tech like that could still do major damage.

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Was it ever stated that he was the weakest of the Bijuu? I don't recall. I mean yeah if it correlates with tails number sure but I don't know if it strictly does.

Indeed.

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Well it was fighting against a technique of the same nature so it might still be capable of island busting. That said, it is still pretty darn strong.

I also have to say that the 2nd Mizukage is awesome.

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"Whoo-Hoo that's a buttload of Sand! Whose village do you think's behind that one?"

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"Shit, this wasn't just some two year time skip huh?"

I think he may be my favorite Kiri character now. ^^

Why did Gaara's dad's eyes get black rings around them? Gaara's are like that because of his massive insomnia what with not being able to sleep, like, ever. So wat teh fuk?

I don't think this was necessarily a maximum-power attack on Onoki's part... I mean, if he can bust islands doing it then would just be killing himself.

As far as the eyes, they do have to do with sleep deprivation but I think they are also part of Shukaku's chakra, much like Naruto's whiskers. I surmise his father must have shukaku chakra or something?

Originally posted by Q99
Gaara's chakra is probably very naturally high from a combination of being the Kage's son, being a jinchuuriki for awhile and thus his own chakra developing in response, and simple training.

don't be surprised if gaara is naruto's cousin

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel

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Gaara and his siblings have crappy luck. Not one of them got their dad's techniques.

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Yea. Seems like getting a kekkei genkai is hit and miss for more than the Senju.

Odds of the 3rd Kazekage being their grandfather seem high too.

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I really would like to know how Kumo is still alive. You'd figure after they stole something for the fifth time the villages would wise up and kill them.

The successful steals might be during war, during times when the opposing side is willing to go to large lengths to avoid war, or by framing others/doing it only in circumstances where they think they can get away clean.

It also might be the case that *everyone* tries that sort of thing in war or periods of hostility, Cloud's just been the worst recently. There's a reason why Mist's hunter nin are instructed to burn bodies.

Originally posted by Q99

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Yea. Seems like getting a kekkei genkai is hit and miss for more than the Senju.

Odds of the 3rd Kazekage being their grandfather seem high too.

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And yet Hyuuga and Uchiha hardly ever produce duds. Weird.

Certainly would keep the whole "It runs in the family" deal most Kage have.

Originally posted by Q99
The successful steals might be during war, during times when the opposing side is willing to go to large lengths to avoid war, or by framing others/doing it only in circumstances where they think they can get away clean.

It also might be the case that *everyone* tries that sort of thing in war or periods of hostility, Cloud's just been the worst recently. There's a reason why Mist's hunter nin are instructed to burn bodies. [/B]

Even the unsuccessful attempts should warrant a slap on the wrists though. Clearly gone without one for a while. Part of me wishes Minato was a spiteful person and decided to kidnap Bee for what Kumo tried to pull.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
And yet Hyuuga and Uchiha hardly ever produce duds. Weird.

Certainly would keep the whole "It runs in the family" deal most Kage have.

I assume it's because elemental affinities are trickier or something.

In Onoki's family, Kitsuchi shows none while Kurotsuchi has one. It seems like the ability to have an elemental kekkei genkai runs in families but only 'lines up' right some of the time. Maybe if Kurotsuchi had earth/wind/fire affinities instead of earth/fire/water she'd have Dust.

Kitsuchi does have incredibly strong Earth too, so maybe they either only occur in families with super-strong elemental chakra, and/or even if they aren't 'active' due to the lack of presence of the right elements, they still provide strong chakra. Which'd still make for strong clans.

Even the unsuccessful attempts should warrant a slap on the wrists though. Clearly gone without one for a while. Part of me wishes Minato was a spiteful person and decided to kidnap Bee for what Kumo tried to pull.

Well, in the Kushina case the attack team was destroyed, and we don't know if there wasn't other retaliation, perhaps during the war.

And in the Hinata case they lost a top ninja, but yea, they got off really easy on that one.

I don't think it has to do with being a "dud", necessarily. I think that even if you have the genetics, you still have to have undergone special training to do advanced elements (for instance, while other people have three element genetics, only Onoki/Mu discovered the "secret" of using Kekkai Tota); a lot of times, people probably preferred to specialize in other techniques rather than devote their lives to becoming proficient in an advanced element. In contrast Sharingan doesn't require any particular training just to have it, though developing its powers may take work.

I wonder if something like the 4th Kazekage could make the Suna financially prosperous. It would've solve the economic problems they were facing in Part 1 due to their feudal lords not giving them funding.

I also find it weird that almost every Kage except Suna has a elemental release or a kekkei genkai corresponding to their village.

As for the solicidation of technique from other villages....I wonder why stealing is so bad, they're ninjas.

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
I wonder if something like the 4th Kazekage could make the Suna financially prosperous. It would've solve the economic problems they were facing in Part 1 due to their feudal lords not giving them funding.

I also find it weird that almost every Kage except Suna has a elemental release or a kekkei genkai corresponding to their village.

As for the solicidation of technique from other villages....I wonder why stealing is so bad, they're ninjas.

Um... magnet element? sand element? wind element? Suna has specialized in all of these.

I agree. Don't hate on cloud, they are just better at it than everyone else. I think if any other country could do the same thing, they would, but cloud is militarily and economically the strongest of all villages.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel

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Was it ever stated that he was the weakest of the Bijuu? I don't recall. I mean yeah if it correlates with tails number sure but I don't know if it strictly does.

Indeed.

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Well it was fighting against a technique of the same nature so it might still be capable of island busting. That said, it is still pretty darn strong.

I also have to say that the 2nd Mizukage is awesome.

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"Whoo-Hoo that's a buttload of Sand! Whose village do you think's behind that one?"

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"Shit, this wasn't just some two year time skip huh?"

I think he may be my favorite Kiri character now. ^^

It most likely does. But Shukaku is still like S class anyway, so it's a massive feat for Gaara's dad.

Yeah, must admit, the guy is pretty kewl.
Nah, Zabuza and Kisame are > 2nd Mizukage.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
And yet Hyuuga and Uchiha hardly ever produce duds. Weird.

Certainly would keep the whole "It runs in the family" deal most Kage have.

Hyuuga never produce duds afaik. Uchihas technically don't either I'm guessing, but not every Uchiha is able to activate the Sharingan.

Originally posted by Q99
In Onoki's family, Kitsuchi shows none while Kurotsuchi has one. It seems like the ability to have an elemental kekkei genkai runs in families but only 'lines up' right some of the time.

Naturally. There are two people contributing to the genome of a child, so it isn't 100% certain if the child will receive the Kekkei Genkai that one parent has. The only case we have of a parent passing down a Kekkei Genkai to a child is Haku. Gaara's dad might also be included, if the Third is his father.

As for Onoki's line, there is a possibility that Kurotsuchi's mother is Onoki's daughter, and has a Kekkei Genkai like Boil or something.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Seems like the opposite to me; any gold in their treasury could have ended up ground into dust and used for fighting so in all likelihood that technique would only accelerate their economic decline.

Um... magnet element? sand element? wind element? Suna has specialized in all of these.

I agree. Don't hate on cloud, they are just better at it than everyone else. I think if any other country could do the same thing, they would, but cloud is militarily and economically the strongest of all villages.

Meh...it's gold sand/dust whatever. What good would it do other than to sell it to other villages.

I can't recall when the Suna used wind release although I don't really see iron and sand being related to the Land of Wind.

I find it funny that the predominately black ninja village is the best at stealing and has the strongest military might.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Seems like the opposite to me; any gold in their treasury could have ended up ground into dust and used for fighting so in all likelihood that technique would only accelerate their economic decline.

Yea, he doesn't *make* gold, he just uses it.

Presumably he could also find gold pretty easily too, so I think it's a mix. He likely both increased their amount of gold and used some of it up.

wakkawakkawakka

I can't recall when the Suna used wind release although I don't really see iron and sand being related to the Land of Wind.

Temari's wind release, as is Baki.

Their other real specialty seems to be puppets/poison. Stone has a blast corps, Sand has a puppet corps, with Sasori, Chiyo, and Kankuro, and maybe that master who made Chiyo's 10 white puppets too. Tsunade's ability to counter Sand's poison was noted as key in the war as well.

Oh yea, and we've seen quite a few cloth users too.

huh, pretty decent chapter. I am curious about the whole gold sand like you guys are too.

well, maybe the reason why Suna doesn't sell the sand is because after a time, the gold fades away or something. hard to tell with the chapter being black and white.

yeah, that is kinda funny, now that you mention it wakkawakkawakka. wonder if Kishimoto planned that or not.

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Meh...it's gold sand/dust whatever. What good would it do other than to sell it to other villages.

I can't recall when the Suna used wind release although I don't really see iron and sand being related to the Land of Wind.

I find it funny that the predominately black ninja village is the best at stealing and has the strongest military might.

Temari uses wind, that one jonin uses wind. Sand is related because it is also the village hiding in sand. I see it as being related to both the village and the country. Compared to kumo which has no "cloud techniques" (wouldn't that basically be the same as mist village?)

Originally posted by King Kandy
He can't sell it. He needs it to fight with and there's a limited supply.

Temari uses wind, that one jonin uses wind. Sand is related because it is also the village hiding in sand. I see it as being related to both the village and the country. Compared to kumo which has no "cloud techniques" (wouldn't that basically be the same as mist village?)

He apparently made gold out of thin air; I know that's probably not the case but for so much gold to appear to conter Gaara's sand it make me wonder.

I completely forgot about Temari and Baki. It's amazing what lack of appearances does to ones credability. However, not to sound rude or arrogant, I was referring to the Kage using their respective element for the land they're in. Not sure about Gaara but I don't see any wind coming from the 4th Kazekage.

Originally posted by King Kandy
In contrast Sharingan doesn't require any particular training just to have it, though developing its powers may take work.

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
He apparently made gold out of thin air; I know that's probably not the case but for so much gold to appear to conter Gaara's sand it make me wonder.

I completely forgot about Temari and Baki. It's amazing what lack of appearances does to ones credability. However, not to sound rude or arrogant, I was referring to the Kage using their respective element for the land they're in. Not sure about Gaara but I don't see any wind coming from the 4th Kazekage.

I think Temari should get the sacred banana palm fan, it would be a logical upgrade.

Hm, lesse, of the Kage, Mei Terumi seems the most fitting of all, with Boil Release being very convincing Mist. Yagura wasn't far either, with a water biju.

Cloud, well, lightning is Cloud *related*, but not super-close. Darui at least has storm release, but he's not kage. Half a point.

Orochimaru probably invented sound jutsu, but never used one at all.

Pain made it rain, so points for him, but Hanzo and Konan didn't. Boo.

Onoki has Earth and even used one earth jutsu (turning the spore-Zetsu to stone), but really uses Dust far more.

Leaf, at least wood is *close*, but with 2nd, we have "Water, zombies, and time-space jutsu." Third, fire, good. Fourth... "Time-space, seals, and rasengan." Fifth, "Healbot and strength." Sixth-candidate number 1 "Wind and stolen jutsu, including wood but he used almost no wood jutsu," and candidate two, "Lightning, earth, water, and sharingan/time space."

Leaf should rename itself as the village hidden in time-space and be done with it.

Whirlpool uses... seals. And despite the fact Rasengan would be incredibly fitting for them, it seems like Uzumaki only started using it when they joined Leaf! (Hm, wonder if Kushina knew it. Well, if not her, then definitely Naruto) No water either. Zero points.

I declare Mist the winner.