Demonic Phoenix
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Originally posted by Q99
I would say the total effectiveness is similar.Is a move that gives your opponent -2 and you +2 really stronger than one that just gives your opponent -4 (or gives you a +4)?
I think the important thing for rating is that a move is a net-four, not the balance of where those four are distributed.
Depends on the match-ups, and what's being negated. Going by your example values:
If it's pretty much the only thing an opponent has or depends on, then it's +4 for the ninja, otherwise, it's a -2,+2.
Kisame w. Samehada absorbs chakra though, so he's not just negating/reducing an asset, but something that mostly every ninja depends on, while also being effective against regular Ninjutsu. Though yeah, his advantage only becomes drastic when he's up against a ninja with a high level of chakra.
Still doesn't change the fact that his level of strength can rise, depending on the opponent.
Originally posted by Q99
And there's only 3 jinchuuriki S+ right now.There's also a good number of Ss that can beat him too.
3 vs. 4 isn't a big difference.
Compared to someone like Madara with his Sharingan, who likely wouldn't be able to beat any of them for a majority.
The opposite is true as well.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
probably the funniest reason a move cannot be spammed in the manga.shisui most likely used the move once in his life, by accident only for that shit to be temp-banned for a decade. he gave it away out of shame
oh yeah, senju > uchiha (their own powers need senju help, not just their society). just adding some cells to danzou allows him to use that tech once a day, that's a huge dropoff from the 10 year cooldown, and oro/danzou didn't get the merger 100% correct.
Yeah. Previously it was likely Kakashi's lack of a large chakra reserve, though that still has its humour.
Nah, Hashirama's cells just boost one's physical energy. With the exception of Izanagi, Uchiha powers don't really depend on Senju cells. Kotoamatsukami just happens to have a stupidly high lag time that can be shortened with Hashirama's physical energy.
Give that shit to someone like Shikamaru, and he too will be able to use far more of his techs.