The Official Naruto series Thread

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Nah.

Not really lol. I never really liked his Bankai very much. Compared to, say, Hitsugayas. awesome
And nah, Orange>

He wasn't in the mood so he was weaker. 😛
Crow clone, different. 😛
Since Madara gave him the Rinnegan I suppose.
That why everyone whats to has buttsecks with him? And gliding is flying through the air with little movement of the wings. Sasuke moves his wings, meaning he is flying. Gliding is basically flying anyway though so...😛
Physical battle bro, physical. Before the dimension stuff.

The crow made Itachi it's servant though so...nope. 😛

Naruto and Sakura hung out with Sasuke too but they are <Hanabi. As is Orochimaru.

Yah. You know this to be true.

Hitsugaya's Bankai is alright. Not as cool as Ichigo's or Byakuya's though.
True. Orange > Nothing. vin

Excuses, excuses.
Still a clone. 😛
That doesn't make him a Sage though.
He shows no interest in any of them, so no. 😛
Gliding is flying, but it is still fundamentally different from true flying.
In addition, Sasuke does not display a fraction of the aerial maneuverability or sustenance that true fliers in Naruto-verse do, nor is it one of his major tactics in battle. (I remembered that Sasuke used a hawk against Danzou for a short bit, so hah 😛)

Deidara seemed to think that Sasuke flew upwards to dodge an explosion, but he's back on the ground right after the explosion ends, so yeah.
It was an enclosed room. Not much flying or gliding to be had in there.

Nah, it made Immortal Itachi Mortal Itachi's servant. Big difference.

That was long before Sasuke became uber-badass and a dimension buster. Really, it is due to the lack of Orochimaru's presence that Sasuke is no longer the uber-badass and dimension buster he once was. peaches
So Orochimaru >= Hanabi.

I'd like to rate the Paths of Pain individually. Thoughts?

My guesses-
Deva at S
Asura at A+ (physically strongest and high firepower)
Human Path at A (one of the better at melee and fastest, and has the insta-kill soul suck)
Animal Path A or A+ (I think the only summoner-reliant fighter we know! Same rating for both Animal Paths)
Preta Path A-
Naraku Path A- (and that largely because of it's support capabilities, combat-wise it seemed more like a B, it was easily the weakest)

^ Strange. I was thinking of the same thing yesterday and today. >__>

Deva's easily S. No questions there for me.

Asura is Nagato's second best Path as far as pure combat goes, but that's about it. I'd rate it at A, but due to its power, I guess A+ is fine too.

Agreed on Human.

IMO, I'd rate Animal at A+. Lots of large summons, including one that is rather hard to defeat, to the point where something like Rasenshuriken cannot put it down.

Agreed. I don't know how fast it is, but it is quite strong.

Naraka for B+. Even its support capabilities should only warrant it a jump of one rank.

I dunno, Raising the Dead (or repairing of bodies) is pretty sweet, even if it is just one or two at a time.

Asura is Nagato's second best Path as far as pure combat goes, but that's about it. I'd rate it at A, but due to its power, I guess A+ is fine too.

Yea, I could see A too, though going over it's feats I lean a bit towards +.

Asura was the one that actually cut off Jiraiya's arm and crushed his throat (Albeit with plenty of help), and he's got the head-laser, missiles, and at one point a pretty big shockwave attack here.

Originally posted by Q99
I dunno, Raising the Dead (or repairing of bodies) is pretty sweet, even if it is just one or two at a time.

Yea, I could see A too, though going over it's feats I lean a bit towards +.

Asura was the one that actually cut off Jiraiya's arm and crushed his throat (Albeit with plenty of help), and he's got the head-laser, missiles, and at one point a pretty big shockwave attack here.

Seems to be just repairing of Paths & Interrogation (which seems like a lesser version of Human Path's ability). Reviving the dead is tied to Nagato himself.

Yeah. That kind of power & combat versatility is what makes me think Asura might be A+ like you said.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Seems to be just repairing of Paths & Interrogation (which seems like a lesser version of Human Path's ability). Reviving the dead is tied to Nagato himself.

Still, repairing destroyed paths (who are all very powerful) is pretty sweet.

Yeah. That kind of power & combat versatility is what makes me think Asura might be A+ like you said.

The only minus is, well, he tends to get destroyed the most.

Originally posted by Q99
Still, repairing destroyed paths (who are all very powerful) is pretty sweet.

The only minus is, well, he tends to get destroyed the most.

Yeah, but if he's on his own, he's not that powerful when compared to the others. That's how I'm viewing it.

True, though that's probably because he tends to be the one who is sent in to attack head-on. Though to counter that, its quite durable and still poses a threat when damaged heavily.

Hm, so you're saying only one rank because, as far as we can tell, it only works on paths? Even with that, it does get deployed with other paths most of the time...

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Yea, true, it did take a Choza giant smash and could still move, even if significantly injured.

More or less. We don't yet know if Naraka itself could use the Outer Path to repair non-Paths, though I think it should be able to.
Still, one very powerful support ability doesn't really warrant a jump of two ranks, does it? If you think it does, then I'll go with it.

To be fair, I'm not so sure he's a B in combat. He did get taken out by Konohamaru, albeit with deception and Rasengan.
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Indeed. It moved pretty fast too.

Still, one very powerful support ability doesn't really warrant a jump of two ranks, does it? If you think it does, then I'll go with it.

I think it depends on how powerful the support ability (and to an extent, the ranks. Obviously it takes more to jump between higher ranks). The right support ability can be huge.

On the one hand, it can bring back *huge* assets like Deva, Animal, Asura, etc. into a fight. And unlike Karin's heal, he can do it repeatedly without being drained. Do three and he's still in the fight.

On the other hand, the bit about it only working on paths, while it doesn't matter too much when he's with them, does limit his deployment options more than the others. So it's limits are pretty big.

So I'm kinda on the edge. It is a pretty limited power, but within those limits it's strong.

To be fair, I'm not so sure he's a B in combat. He did get taken out by Konohamaru, albeit with deception and Rasengan.

After handily Ebisu easily, and two ninja before that, so his physical abilities are pretty good. Every Path has those chakra disruption blades as well.

And the 'deception and rasengan' trick has worked well for others too 🙂

Shikamaru is pure deception, so yeah, it plays a big part on taking someone down.

Originally posted by Q99
I think it depends on how powerful the support ability (and to an extent, the ranks. Obviously it takes more to jump between higher ranks). The right support ability can be huge.

On the one hand, it can bring back *huge* assets like Deva, Animal, Asura, etc. into a fight. And unlike Karin's heal, he can do it repeatedly without being drained. Do three and he's still in the fight.

On the other hand, the bit about it only working on paths, while it doesn't matter too much when he's with them, does limit his deployment options more than the others. So it's limits are pretty big.

So I'm kinda on the edge. It is a pretty limited power, but within those limits it's strong.

After handily Ebisu easily, and two ninja before that, so his physical abilities are pretty good. Every Path has those chakra disruption blades as well.

And the 'deception and rasengan' trick has worked well for others too 🙂

Yeah, though he can do it a lot because Nagato's chakra level is extremely high. I think if Karin had that kind of chakra, she'd be able to heal a lot too.
Indeed, though on the flip-side, he's more easily taken out than the others are. Of course, that's mostly moot, since Nagato would protect it with the other Paths.
I mean, if you're looking at them as they are used with the other Paths, then it becomes hard to judge them individually due to how well most of them tend to complement each other, which is why I'm looking at how they would fare if they were on their own or without the other Paths.

So yeah, it's a huge support ability, but as far as we know, it's limited to the Paths, which would make it useless if it were with other ninjas, or on its own (would be quite useful if it could repair itself).
Really though, it uses abilities that are lesser versions of the Human Path's Soul-Suck tech, and Outer Path's revival tech. So what abilities would Nagato have when he used the Naraka ability? Or for that matter, the Asura ability?

Ebisu isn't noted to be that powerful, and the other two were random mooks.

True.

Really though, it uses abilities that are lesser versions of the Human Path's Soul-Suck tech, and Outer Path's revival tech. So what abilities would Nagato have when he used the Naraka ability? Or for that matter, the Asura ability?

I think Naraka Path is probably what lets him summon the giant, since it's similar to what shows up when using Naraka's questioning technique (i.e. it summons spiritual beings while animal handles non-spiritual beings). Asura's a good question since it all seems to be modifications that he doesn't have.

shikamaru just needs a better supporting cast, chouji is strong now but he's useless without shikamaru telling him what to do, and ino is just useless.

Originally posted by Q99
I think Naraka Path is probably what lets him summon the giant, since it's similar to what shows up when using Naraka's questioning technique (i.e. it summons spiritual beings while animal handles non-spiritual beings). Asura's a good question since it all seems to be modifications that he doesn't have.

True, but Outer Path also shows up when Nagato uses it for hist Rinne Tensei tech.
I'll also point out one more thing. Madara said that Rinne Tensei was supposed to be used for him. He can now use Rinne Tensei. Wonder when he'll use it.

Anyway, what have you decided concerning the individual ranks of each of the Paths, or are you waiting for others to weigh in first?

Originally posted by psycho gundam
shikamaru just needs a better supporting cast, chouji is strong now but he's useless without shikamaru telling him what to do, and ino is just useless.

They're both useless without Shikamaru telling them what to do, though Chouji seems to be breaking out of that.

Ino did the thing where she grabbed two of the Zetsu bodies at once, and possessed Choji when he was hesitating.

While still best with Shikamaru, she has gotten a lot more dangerous.

Stats:

SS-
Nagato (Pain)

S+
Itachi Uchiha
Killerbee
Madara Uchiha (Sharingan only)
Minato Namikaze
Mito Uzumaki
Muu
Naruto Uzumaki (Kyuubi chakra mode)
Onoki

S
A (Raikage)
Danzo (with implant jutsu)
Deidara
Deva Path (Yahiko/Pain)
Gaara (Kage)
Hiruzen Sarutobi (Old)
Jiraiya
Kakashi Hatake (Mastered Kamui)
Kakuzu
Kisame Hoshigaki (with Samehada)
Konan*
Kushina Uzumaki
Mei Terumi
Naruto Uzumaki (Sage Mode)
Orochimaru*
Sandaime Kazekage (3rd)
Sasori
Sasuke Uchiha (Orochimaru merge/mangekyo)
Tsunade
Yondaime Kazekage (4th)
Yugito Nii

S-
Chiyo
Danzo (without implant jutsu)
Darui
Ginkaku
Hidan
Kabuto* (Orochimaru merge)
Kakashi Hatake (start of part 2)
Kimimaro Kaguya (healthy)
Kinkaku
Kisame Hoshigaki (without Samehada)
Kitsuchi
Mifune
Might Gai (part 2)
Sasuke Uchiha (start of part 2)
Shisui Uchiha

*These characters have jutsu that require specific preparation that can't be done mid combat but increase their ability significantly, such as Edo Tensei or readying unusual amounts of explosive tags.

A+
Animal Path (Pain)
Asuma Sarutobi
Asura Path (Pain)
Hiashi Hyuuga
Kabuto Yakushi
Kakashi Hatake (part 1)
Kimimaro Kaguya (sick)
Might Gai (part 1)
Yamato
Zabuza Momochi

A
Ao
Baki
C
F&#363; (ANBU)
Hizashi Hyuuga
Human Path (Pain)
J&#363;go
Kankur&#333; (with Sasori puppet)
Killer Bee (Young, Minato fight)
Kurenai Yuhi
Kurotsuchi
Naruto Uzumaki (post elemental training)
Neji Hyuuga (part 2)
Sasori (Sans puppet arsenal)
Shikaku Nara
Suigetsu H&#333;zuki
Torune

A-
Ch&#333;j&#363;r&#333;
Ch&#333;ji Akimichi (Asuma Fight)
Ch&#333;za Akimichi
Gaara (Sasuke Retrieval)
Inoichi Yamanaka
Kakko (Kakashi Gaiden)
Naruto Uzumaki (start of part 2)
Asura Path (Pain)
Sai (post-emotions)
Shibi Aburame
Shizune
Temari (start of part 2)

B+
Anko Mitarashi
Ibiki Morino
Kakashi Hatake (Kakashi Gaiden)
Kankur&#333; (as of Sasori fight)
Naraka Path (Pain)
Naruto Uzumaki (One Tail)
Rock Lee (part 2)
Sai (start)
Sakura Haruno (part 2)
Sasuke Uchiha (VotE)

B
Gaara (Chuunin Exam)
Haku
Ino Yamanaka (4th Shinobi War)
Kankur&#333; (Sasuke Retrieval)
Omoi
Sakon/Ukon
Shino Aburame (part 2)
Shikamaru Nara (part 2)
Taiseki (Kakashi Gaiden)
Temari (Sasuke Retrieval)
Tsume Inuzuka

B-
Aoba Yamashiro
Ch&#333;ji Akimichi (start of part 2)
Hayate Gekk&#333;
Hinata Hyuuga (part 2)
Jir&#333;b&#333;
Kiba Inazuka (part 2)
Kid&#333;maru
Neji Hyuuga (Sasuke Retrieval)
Shin
Tayuya

C+
Ebisu
Ino Yamanaka (start of part 2)
Karin
Naruto Uzumaki (Post Rasengan Training)
Neji Hyuga (Chunin exam)
Rock Lee (Chunin exam)
Sasuke Uchiha (Chunin exam finals)
Shikamaru Nara (Sasuke Retrieval)
Temari (Chunin exam)
White Zetsu Clone

C
Dosu
Iruka
Izumo Kamizuki
Kankuro (Chunin exam)
Konohamaru Sarutobi (part 2)
Kotetsu Hagane
Obito Uchiha (Sharingan)
Rin
Sasuke Uchiha (Sharingan)
Shikamaru Nara (Chunin exam)
Shino Aburame (Chunin exam)
Yashamaru

C-
G&#333;zu (Demon Brother)
Kiba Inazuka (Chunin exam)
Meizu (Demon Brother)
Mizuki
Naruto Uzumaki (Post clone jutsu)
Obito Uchiha (pre-Sharingan)
Sasuke Uchiha (pre-Sharingan)
Shigure

D+
Ch&#333;ji Akimichi (Chunin exam)
Hinata Hyuga (part 1)
Ino Yamanaka (Chunin exam)
Kin
Oboro
Tenten (Chunin exam)
Zaku

D
Misumi Tsurugi
Sakura Haruno (Chunin exam)
Yoroi Akad&#333;

D-
Rock Lee (Just graduated Genin)
Sakura Haruno (Start)

E+
Naruto Uzumaki (pre-clone jutsu)

E-
Konohamaru Sarutobi (start)
Rock Lee (Academy flashback)

All listing within each rank are in alphabetical order, and include support abilities such as sensors and healing that can be done on the spot.

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Added the Six Paths of Pain
Deva at S
Asura at A+
Human Path at A
Animal Path A+
Preta Path A-
Naraku Path B+

As well as a disclaimer at the bottom.

Btw, any thoughts on Part 2 Tenten? I just noticed we don't have her on.

^ You've made a typo and put in Asura instead of Preta in A-.

Oops, thanks. I'll fix that next revision.

Btw, there's a new Rock Lee's Springtime of Youth out 🙂

Originally posted by Q99
Btw, any thoughts on Part 2 Tenten? I just noticed we don't have her on.

if you don't agree, make a case cause i'd like to hear that shit 😆