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nagato shows how the asura realm power works by sprouting robotic arms from his right side, and it's able to both subdue naruto and bee. he absorbs a resengan before it does damage, and he uses chibaku tensei and it looks like it almost removed itachi's susano'o from the suction, but it gets interrupted by a beast bomb and a rasenshurican (and something itachi did to amp it or something?)kinda looks like nagato is withering away like the other summons who find inner peace or whatever
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Why is Madara not as loathed as Aizen? o.O
Probably because we see he's put a ton of work into getting his powers and suffers major setbacks on a couple occasions.
Aizen no-sells a lot and just seems to be effectively unopposed. People'll have key info on him and just sit on it for, literally, a hundred years.
Madara's been wounded by multiple foes and lost a lot of allies, and we know there are opponents like Itachi that he doesn't want to fight. He's clearly had to adjust his plans a lot. Sure, he's absurdly powerful, but we buy why he's so hard to stop more.
Originally posted by Q99
Probably because we see he's put a ton of work into getting his powers and suffers major setbacks on a couple occasions.Aizen no-sells a lot and just seems to be effectively unopposed. People'll have key info on him and just sit on it for, literally, a hundred years.
Madara's been wounded by multiple foes and lost a lot of allies, and we know there are opponents like Itachi that he doesn't want to fight. He's clearly had to adjust his plans a lot. Sure, he's absurdly powerful, but we buy why he's so hard to stop more.
Eh, I didn't really find Aizen that crazy prepared. I mean, most everything he has planned for makes sense in a way. Sure, Gin is stupid, but that's his fault.
Not that I don't prefer Madara. He certainly is a lot more devious and cool. Especially considering he does have some credible opposition. I guess I never did hate Aizen. Then again, I read all of Bleach in like one day. 😛
Edit: I just made my friend mad and it's your fault. Kinda. XD
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Eh, I didn't really find Aizen that crazy prepared. I mean, most everything he has planned for makes sense in a way. Sure, Gin is stupid, but that's his fault.
Yea, he liked to present himself as crazy prepared and behind everything, but really he just had enough raw power and hax to make it seem that way, with only a few real clever moves.
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Ok, it looks like Nagato can even use multiple paths at once, and the paths seem to be stronger in Naruto's opinion (probably because no power is wasted over distance). It sacrifices the safety factor and multiple-threat of the 6 bodies, but Nagato by himself is *really* impressive and did have both KB and Naruto on the ropes at the same time.Itachi's Susano'o has a ranged attack, and he, Killerbee, and Naruto all use their big moves to destroy a Chibaku Tensei orb to avoid from all being crushed.
Itachi then gets Nagato with Susano'o's sword
K, so...like...
I motion that we move Itachi to SS- when he's healthy.
Nagato has definitely earned his position as SS.
Naruto is still suited as S+ as we clearly see he's outmatched by a solid SS. Naruto would be the absolute top S+ without being SS-, imo. (I also enjoyed Naruto calling himself a moron for forgetting about the ninjutsu absorption.)
However, Itachi was right at home against an SS. Among the best ninja, hands down, in the series. Top 3 pick, for me.
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Pretty kewl chapter.
Anyway, healthy Nagato was so much more deadlier than weakened Nagato, though the case can be made that this was due to Kabuto fully controlling him. He was also more aggressive than the 6 Paths, and was healthy this time, so it's no wonder Naruto thought he was faster and more powerful.I guess we know what the Asura ability is now. If it's all of what is present in the Asura Path, that's pretty uber, especially if he can hold down someone like Bee.
The Naraka Path ability can also be used to transport stuff.
Nagato can also see through the eyes of his Summons, so with enough summons, he should keep his Multiple field of vision present in the 6 Paths of Pain.Now that we saw how quickly Nagato used his Chibaku Tensei against three of the fastest characters in the series no less, I'm pretty sure that no one else could stop the activation. They'd have to hit the sphere when it's up, and it took three uber powerful techs to bring it down.
I liked how Naruto said they'd die if they got trapped by Chibaku Tensei, only for Itachi to point out that Naruto survived, leading Bee to rap while they were on the way to being crushed.
Also, another chapter where Itachi shows how bawss he is. Naruto & Bee would have lost without his Susano'o & his calm use of his intellect.
Itachi's Susano'o has all three of the Imperial Treasures, so we can only guess that the last one is in the same league as the other two treasures, as it is Itachi's best ranged attack.
Originally posted by Q99Spoiler:
Ok, it looks like Nagato can even use multiple paths at once, and the paths seem to be stronger in Naruto's opinion (probably because no power is wasted over distance). It sacrifices the safety factor and multiple-threat of the 6 bodies, but Nagato by himself is *really* impressive and did have both KB and Naruto on the ropes at the same time.Itachi's Susano'o has a ranged attack, and he, Killerbee, and Naruto all use their big moves to destroy a Chibaku Tensei orb to avoid from all being crushed.
Itachi then gets Nagato with Susano'o's sword
Indeed. Though the fact that he can use multiple paths at once, means that he can defend himself extremely well, and attack, all at the same time. We also know he can see through the eyes of his summons, so no blind-spots for Nagato unless the opponent pulls an Itachi, and aims for the eyes.
Anyway, at this point, healthy Nagato's at the same level as he is with the 6 Paths of Pain, if not higher.
Originally posted by BloodRain
Nagato's stronger than the 6 paths according to Naruto.Instantly thought 'Sasuke's here?!' when Itachi used Sasanoo..
He's just referring to the usage of the Path techniques, though yeah, I can see why this Nagato would be stronger than a Nagato using the 6 Paths of Pain.
Nagato was being aggressive, using multiple path techniques at once, was healthy, and he was right next to Naruto & Bee. I'm thinking that's why Naruto said that the techs were much more powerful.
Asura Path's power was particularly impressive, being able to hold down Bee like that. Had it not been for Itachi, Bee would be headless now.
Itachi's Susano'o is so much more uber than Sasuke's.
Indeed, but there are reasons & context for that.
Another reason is that it is a healthy Nagato himself using the techs, not dead bodies being controlled by a weakened Nagato's chakra transmitted from some distance away.
We've seen that Deva Path could fly and use a village busting Shinra Tensei after Nagato stopped controlling the other Paths. Naruto never saw that.
The way I see it, the Paths let him play a grind-game. He can send, say, three-four paths repeatedly with very little risk, and all six at not all that much more. He also has the utility of being able to fight in multiple places at once, attack people from the rear as well as front, etc.. All very good, very helpful tricks.
Single Body Nagato can be taken out and is much more vulnerable. If he wasn't Edo, amaterasu would've at least done major damage to him and possible taken him out earlier. But in his favor, is definitely more powerful and gains the benefit of combining paths.
Against Itachi, the 6 paths would likely be better, against Naruto and Killerbee, one body for sure.
It's power output vs safety and multi-tasking, basically.
That all said, I would say one-body is overall the superior mode.
Agreed. Both 'modes' have their advantages and disadvantages.
Nagato's ET status & his vitality returning obviously had something to do with how uber he was in this chapter though. A sample of how powerful Madara might be right now with just his Rinnegan.
This makes me wonder...why would Nagato not use 3 dead bodies, each with two of the Paths' abilities, or just one dead body, with all the abilities of the 6 Paths? Each body could likely use two Paths at once, like Nagato was doing.
I wonder what'll happen if Itachi sticks around long enough to personally tell Sasuke to stfu. My best guess is that he'd go even crazier and end up killing Itachi.
The ramifications of Itachi being back in the story and on the side of good are incredibly interesting. If Naruto, Bee and Itachi are the 3 main characters going after Madara, Kabuto and Sasuke then this manga will continue to be completely ****ing awesome.
Nephthys
The ramifications of Itachi being back in the story and on the side of good are incredibly interesting. If Naruto, Bee and Itachi are the 3 main characters going after Madara, Kabuto and Sasuke then this manga will continue to be completely ****ing awesome.
Yes, it is an interesting twist. I kinda assumed he'd be temporary like Nagato, but sticking around for awhile really spices things up.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
This makes me wonder...why would Nagato not use 3 dead bodies, each with two of the Paths' abilities, or just one dead body, with all the abilities of the 6 Paths? Each body could likely use two Paths at once, like Nagato was doing.
Maybe only the original body can handle multiple paths, and remote bodies can only handle one each.
Or just Nagato (and Madara) both figure it's overall better to have more for the 'multiple places at once (with abilities greater than summons), more bodies for taijutsu, Naraka can revive casualties' thing. The more bodies you have, the more likely Naraka comes into play.
Hm.. though if it were possible, what would be the best combos...?
Deva only combines well with Asura and Preta. Preta helps pretty much any path, but'd make Asura particularly deadly... or Deva pretty much entirely unkillable.
You can either slap the two soul-power ones together, or you combine Animal and Naraka for the ultimate support path (that you want damaged even less than either is already).
I have few questions after reading this chapter that might've been answered already but I'll ask them again.
To start how is it that Itachi knows how Chibaku Tensei works while Naruto is dumbstruck by it? Along with this how is it that his Susanoo has new techniques mysteriously.
Another question would concern how Bee was pretty much a scub character in this chapter?
Then there's the fact that Nagato was somehow hit by the Totsuka Blade immediately after Chibaku Tense was destroyed? Should've the three of them have been in a freefall after being pulled in midway towards the sphere?
And this isn't really a question but I find it amazing that Nagato has not one but two lame deaths 🙁