The Official Naruto series Thread

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Jiraiya's a Jounin though. vin
Kakuzu's hearts revive Kakuzu. 313

For most, but not Jounin.

Yah.

It's not a definition, but a quote; one of C.S. Lewis' apparently.
People with low self-esteem too would have some trouble accepting compliments. They'd need to hear it a number of times to accept it. They need reassurance.

Konan states that Madara's intangibility is an all or nothing kind of thing though.
Sakura's explanation implies that he's porting away parts of his body. We know that's not the case.

And a pervert. 😮
So? The Dragon Balls revive the people of earth. Does blowing up the balls kill the people of earth? 😮

Unimportant jonin.

Nah.

The heck does he know? Indeed, because they don't think much of their own importance.

Where was this stated? o.O
Why not? That could be how his intangibility is working.

Did Nagato become more powerful after he absorbed Hachibi's power and turned his white hair crimson red again?

I was hoping the fight would last longer and we'd actually get an explanation... but that technique still leaves a lasting "WTF" in my mind.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
You mean when he started moving down into the chasm? That's not floating, that's falling.

With style!

Originally posted by Astner
Did Nagato become more powerful after he absorbed Hachibi's power and turned his white hair crimson red again?

I think it filled his reserves, and obviously he became more mobile again.

So yes, but not in a huge massive difference kinda way, but more the normal, "Now I'm operating on full," way.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Favorite jutsu?

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
And a pervert. 😮
So? The Dragon Balls revive the people of earth. Does blowing up the balls kill the people of earth? 😮

Unimportant jonin.

Nah.

The heck does he know? Indeed, because they don't think much of their own importance.

Where was this stated? o.O
Why not? That could be how his intangibility is working.

Like the Third and Ebisu.
Indirectly, yes. 😛

Jonin nonetheless.

Yah.

Yep, which does not make them humble, at least not the meaning that I'm accustomed to using.

When Konan mentioned Madara's intangibility.
Then how would he know which part of his body to make intangible every time an attack was made from behind him? In addition, how would he have known in advance that Minato would attack his head, and not his lower torso or legs? Seeing as you think he was already intangible and everything.

Meh, I just think he becomes completely intangible. The only reason he doesn't fall through the floor like a douche is because that is how it works with others with intangibility as well.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Like the Third and Ebisu.
Indirectly, yes. 😛

Jonin nonetheless.

Yah.

Yep, which does not make them humble, at least not the meaning that I'm accustomed to using.

When Konan mentioned Madara's intangibility.
Then how would he know which part of his body to make intangible every time an attack was made from behind him? In addition, how would he have known in advance that Minato would attack his head, and not his lower torso or legs? Seeing as you think he was already intangible and everything.

Meh, I just think he becomes completely intangible. The only reason he doesn't fall through the floor like a douche is because that is how it works with others with intangibility as well.

So?
....Nah. 😛

Special Jonin!

Nah.

Unless they really do deserve said praise but they don't really take to praise well.

Eh...I didn't read it that way. I always assumed his intangibility could be selective on the parts it chooses to affect. I mean, he is still carrying things while intangible so maybe that just mean whatever he carries is also intangible. But that doesn't explain why he doesn't fall through the floor. Nor does it explain why his chains worked on Minato if they were intangible.

So the options are:

He becomes completely intangible and yet can somehow carry things and not sink through the floor. Or he can pick and choose which parts of his body are intangible(including an option that allows his whole for to be completely intangible).

Or Kishi screwed up.

As for carrying things, I'm pretty sure he can make things he's touching phased too.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
So?
....Nah. 😛

Special Jonin!

Nah.

Unless they really do deserve said praise but they don't really take to praise well.

Eh...I didn't read it that way. I always assumed his intangibility could be selective on the parts it chooses to affect. I mean, he is still carrying things while intangible so maybe that just mean whatever he carries is also intangible. But that doesn't explain why he doesn't fall through the floor. Nor does it explain why his chains worked on Minato if they were intangible.

So the options are:

He becomes completely intangible and yet can somehow carry things and not sink through the floor. Or he can pick and choose which parts of his body are intangible(including an option that allows his whole for to be completely intangible).

Or Kishi screwed up.

So Ebisu = Jiraiya & Sarutobi.
Yah. 😛

Means they are > Jounin. vin

Still low self-esteem if they cannot take praise even when it's repeatedly given. I used to think I was humble, but really, was just low self-esteem or false humility.

Pretty sure someone like Kitty Pryde can phase through walls, but can stay on one floor while phased. Saw the same shit happen on the Mutant X TV series.
That's what I think is happening with Madara.

One more thing. If he could phase, why didn't he just phase through the wall of paper and into the water behind it, then port away? He probably must have had something that could have helped him get close to the wall.

Also, yeah, he can phase other stuff too. Only way to explain how he's able to make his clothes, fan, and Sasuke intangible.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
So Ebisu = Jiraiya & Sarutobi.
Yah. 😛

Means they are > Jounin. vin

Still low self-esteem if they cannot take praise even when it's repeatedly given. I used to think I was humble, but really, was just low self-esteem or false humility.

Pretty sure someone like Kitty Pryde can phase through walls, but can stay on one floor while phased. Saw the same shit happen on the Mutant X TV series.
That's what I think is happening with Madara.

One more thing. If he could phase, why didn't he just phase through the wall of paper and into the water behind it, then port away? He probably must have had something that could have helped him get close to the wall.

Also, yeah, he can phase other stuff too. Only way to explain how he's able to make his clothes, fan, and Sasuke intangible.

Good luck with that Ebisu fanboy! 😮
Nah.

Lame Jonin that cheated on Kakashi on their tests.

Nah, you can be both. Though low self esteem outranks it.

I've seen her sink though the floor. 😮

Konan was watching. He couldn't get away with such clever antics.

Well clothes I get. Can't keep Madara's secrets if his mask keeps falling off! Sasuke and his weapons are weird though.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Good luck with that Ebisu fanboy! 😮
Nah.

Lame Jonin that cheated on Kakashi on their tests.

Nah, you can be both. Though low self esteem outranks it.

I've seen her sink though the floor. 😮

Konan was watching. He couldn't get away with such clever antics.

Well clothes I get. Can't keep Madara's secrets if his mask keeps falling off! Sasuke and his weapons are weird though.

Ebisu hater!
Yah.

The fact that Kakashi respects them shows that they're ossum.

Nah man, humility is technically different from low self esteem. We're just arguing in circles and I really don't care about this anyway.

I've also seen her stand on a floor while phased. 😛

Or he wanted to throw Konan a bone and later a rod. vin

Sasuke can use intangibility...while unconscious! awesome

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Ebisu hater!
Yah.

The fact that Kakashi respects them shows that they're ossum.

Nah man, humility is technically different from low self esteem. We're just arguing in circles and I really don't care about this anyway.

I've also seen her stand on a floor while phased. 😛

Or he wanted to throw Konan a bone and later a rod. vin

Sasuke can use intangibility...while unconscious! awesome

Actually he has his moments.
Nah.

Where does Kakashi show respect to them?

Technically, but the two can certainly go together. And yay! I talked you to death!

Inconsistency!

It was Konan. I'd throw her a bone alright. Then again, necrophilia....

Idk about that. But he did just kill somebody while blindfolded.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Actually he has his moments.
Nah.

Where does Kakashi show respect to them?

Technically, but the two can certainly go together. And yay! I talked you to death!

Inconsistency!

It was Konan. I'd throw her a bone alright. Then again, necrophilia....

Idk about that. But he did just kill somebody while blindfolded.

True. BTW, he's still = Jiraiya & Hiruzen.
Yah yah.

How else would he have gotten the respect of the other jounins. 313

Don't get used to it.

I noe eh? Still happened though.

I'd use Edo Tensei then throw her a bone. Not really necro then. Or do they count as undead?

X-Ray & Night-Vision. awesome

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
True. BTW, he's still = Jiraiya & Hiruzen.
Yah yah.

How else would he have gotten the respect of the other jounins. 313

Don't get used to it.

I noe eh? Still happened though.

I'd use Edo Tensei then throw her a bone. Not really necro then. Or do they count as undead?

X-Ray & Night-Vision. awesome

In perverseness.
Nah nah nah.

By making them dance?

:3

Not that necrophilia. Konan is into necrophilia. 😮

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
1. Well, he is not in front of me. Clearly he plans to attack. So I should put up my guard or enter paper mode to avoid said attack.

Paper mode infinity, right?

No. It requires chakra. She's not a chakra sensor. He can literally teleport to where he wants to. That means he could literally hide behind the bushes and watch her pewp origami turds. 😐

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
2. Minato would disagree.

Sorry, Minato is not a chakra sensor. And if you're saying she's as fast as Minato and as pure awesome, you probably need to GTFO.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
3. He'll be solid if he attacks her so it's very easy to counter. Especially with suicide bombs he isn't expecting..

I know, right? Like she did to prevent her death.

Oh, wait...

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
lol no.

You remember when Naruto beat up Kakuzu real good because Kakuzu's intelligence was reduced because the plot demanded it? Now, does that mean that Rasenshuriken is a weak technique? No? Kay.

It's not the damage she caused(she really didn't cause any except to Madara) but the size and duration of the technique that makes Konan impressive.

You didn't counter what I said. 😬

Because my reply to this is still the same:

"If making large amounts of damage were the only requirements for S class, pretty much anyone could be S class with the prep time she had. "

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
A guy punches through a ghost. Did the ghost react? No. He didn't need to.

How about not that but that fact that you brought up their fight where Madara did decently against the fastest ninja in the series until Minato outsmarted him?

Oh, right, that doesn't fit with your backpeddling attempt.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
CIS that is perfectly in character for Madara. So....not that bad.

Only in the case of Konan because the previous CIS events were later "retconned" to actually be intentional for a greater goal.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Paper mode infinity, right?

No. It requires chakra. She's not a chakra sensor. He can literally teleport to where he wants to. That means he could literally hide behind the bushes and watch her pewp origami turds. 😐

I think you missed the memo. Konan has an immense amount of chakra. Or did you not see one of the greatest feats in the manga? 😮

Originally posted by dadudemon
Sorry, Minato is not a chakra sensor. And if you're saying she's as fast as Minato and as pure awesome, you probably need to GTFO.

You're not very good at debating huh?

Minato is not a chakra sensor. But he still noticed Madara was behind him. In this hypothetical where Madara teleports after talking to Konan, clearly not about to let what he wants be kept away from him, anyone would know he'd plan to attack.

So Konan would be expecting an attack(Minato wasn't) and be prepared to defend herself(Minato reacted more on instinct than anything. Unlike Konan, he did not have a real plan against Madara until he made one on the fly). So yes, I see no reason why this ninja wouldn't be able to sense Madara appearing behind her.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I know, right? Like she did to prevent her death.

Oh, wait...

Now you see, that was AFTER the big feat and the suicide attack. If Madara had attacked BEFORE said suicide attack, the bombs would still be there.

In this hypothetical where you believe that Madara would attack right away, unhindered by CIS, you believe it would result in his favor. However, doing so would result in a suicide bombing to the face because she still has them on her. Whether that would kill him or not is questionable of course(probably would but whatever).

Originally posted by dadudemon
You didn't counter what I said. 😬

Because my reply to this is still the same:

"If making large amounts of damage were the only requirements for S class, pretty much anyone could be S class with the prep time she had. "

So apparently you just didn't get it.

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v57/c537/8.html

See that jutsu that guy used on that giant statue? Pretty big right? He didn't do anything to the statue but regardless, we can tell it's a powerful technique and that it costs a lot of chakra. Right?

The Paper Person of God technique works in the same regard. The prep, near as I can tell, was getting all those explosive tags together. Controlling them, splitting the lake with them, and making it so that the explosions last 10 minutes, is the feat. And it is damn impressive.

Originally posted by dadudemon
How about not that but that fact that you brought up their fight where Madara did decently against the fastest ninja in the series until Minato outsmarted him?

Oh, right, that doesn't fit with your backpeddling attempt.

What did he do? Let the attack go through him? Yeah, Madara does that to everyone. It doesn't take any real speed or strategy. It's not even real skill if you want to be technical, since it's tied to that haxxed eye of his. I guess mastering it is I suppose. All techniques have a weakness of course and that is what Konan exploited. Sure, she cheated in the sense that she had been around Madara a while, but whoop dee doo, they're ninja. They can do that.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Only in the case of Konan because the previous CIS events were later "retconned" to actually be intentional for a greater goal.

Now that I can address it, why is waiting for your opponent to make the first move CIS? As we know, had he not done that he'd likely have died.

And Madara waiting to see what his opponents will do is nothing new. The real CIS on Madara's fault is why doesn't he just grab Naruto already? He has run into him 3 times but doesn't get him?

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
I think you missed the memo. Konan has an immense amount of chakra. Or did you not see one of the greatest feats in the manga? 😮

This in no way counters what I said. Surely you realize that/

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
You're not very good at debating huh?

Considering you can't really create a proper respnse to most of what I said, you're the last person that should make that assesment.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Minato is not a chakra sensor.

And your post should have stopped here and only ended with: but he made up for that with the fastest speed and reflexes in the series.

But since your debating and logic is flawed from the beginning, you'll proceed with some other ill-formed thought...just watch.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
But he still noticed Madara was behind him.

You're talking in circles. As I predicted, an ill-formed thought.

Konan is not Minato and did not show the reflexes of Madara. She died with the "behind the back" attack that Minato did not die to. Sure, they weren't the same...but Madara seems to favor the behind the back kill.

Did you not realize this before typing that post out? (you did...because we've already been over this point)

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
In this hypothetical where Madara teleports after talking to Konan, clearly not about to let what he wants be kept away from him, anyone would know he'd plan to attack.

And yet, that still didn't prevent her from dying from that very same plan about 10 minutes later, no did it? Oh wait, it didn't...

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
So Konan would be expecting an attack(Minato wasn't) and be prepared to defend herself(Minato reacted more on instinct than anything.

Yeah, Minato wasn't expecting an attack when he, his wife, and his village was being attacked by Madara. I understand your logic completely. facepalm

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Unlike Konan, he did not have a real plan against Madara until he made one on the fly). So yes, I see no reason why this ninja wouldn't be able to sense Madara appearing behind her.

You just proved exactly why: Minato is just uber awesome like that.

You spent all of this time just proving my point.

Maybe you're just trolling? That HAS to be it. 😬

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Now you see, that was AFTER the big feat and the suicide attack. If Madara had attacked BEFORE said suicide attack, the bombs would still be there.

Oh man, you so totally pwned me. 😬

Because she totally reacted to that one and proved that she could have used her bombs.

Wait, she didn't...

I mean...really, we've been over this already. Please cut it out. I honestly think you're trolling at this point.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
In this hypothetical where you believe that Madara would attack right away, unhindered by CIS, you believe it would result in his favor. However, doing so would result in a suicide bombing to the face because she still has them on her. Whether that would kill him or not is questionable of course(probably would but whatever).

No, he wouldn't.

He'd port away and do whatever the f*** he wants for as long as he wants and find her whenever he wants and port to her whenever he wants. Because...get this...he can port anywhere and he has a spy that can pretty much spy anywhere (with tracking spores and everything).

But wait...I'm the one creating CIS and PIS, right? 😬

And, see this for the rest of your post:

"Oh man, you so totally pwned me. 😬

Because she totally reacted to [being stabbed in the back] and proved that she could have used her bombs."

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
So apparently you just didn't get it.

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v57/c537/8.html

See that jutsu that guy used on that giant statue? Pretty big right? He didn't do anything to the statue but regardless, we can tell it's a powerful technique and that it costs a lot of chakra. Right?

The Paper Person of God technique works in the same regard. The prep, near as I can tell, was getting all those explosive tags together. Controlling them, splitting the lake with them, and making it so that the explosions last 10 minutes, is the feat. And it is damn impressive.

That's not only obvious fanboyism on your part, there are some falses, too.

She created those papers and tags prior to Madara showing up. She then put them in that lake when she was done.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
What did he do? Let the attack go through him? Yeah, Madara does that to everyone. It doesn't take any real speed or strategy. It's not even real skill if you want to be technical, since it's tied to that haxxed eye of his. I guess mastering it is I suppose. All techniques have a weakness of course and that is what Konan exploited. Sure, she cheated in the sense that she had been around Madara a while, but whoop dee doo, they're ninja. They can do that.

So you downplay Madara's mastery of his "haxxed" eye while up-playing that she planned this forever and monitored him for years?

NOW do you see why I say "fanboyism" is clouding your judgment?

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Now that I can address it, why is waiting for your opponent to make the first move CIS? As we know, had he not done that he'd likely have died.

I guess you fail to see why turning intangible against her from the very beginning would not have been useful. The initial attack would have failed (he knew she would fight...silly CIS).

I guess you fail to see how teleporting away and stabbing her in the back while delivering an-insta gentjutsu of "death" would be a sure victory.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
And Madara waiting to see what his opponents will do is nothing new. The real CIS on Madara's fault is why doesn't he just grab Naruto already? He has run into him 3 times but doesn't get him?

He tried but Yamato was there. Apparantly, that's "serious business" with Kakashi around.

K, so...now that we've talked this in circles, will you please stop with the trolling or at least be a bit more objective about this?

Spoiler:
3rd raigake seems to be invincible or something with some technique he knows, though the scar on his chest is noticed by naruto and is the proverbial chink in his armour. naruto will try and ram his wind release into it of coarse.

i think his name is revealed this chapter ("itasou" or "itarashi"😉, but that might be a nickname or something *shrug*

someone uses i think earth wall technique to stop raikage, but he busts through it with some uber god-hand technique. it says something about number reduction, ie whittling down opponents i guess, probably referencing the lightning hand thing.

no sasuke i think

TheAuraAngel -

I was mad, bro. Not mad...but just irritated with your posting style. It went from fun to irritating. I thought we were having fun...

Regardless, I apologize for how grumpy and "not nice" my last post was.

To sum it up without rudeness: Madara is fast. Minato is far faster than Konan. Madara traded blows with Minato. The entire fight just is out of place with Konan and I see it as a necessary evil because Konan was such a good/awesome supporting character. Kishimoto could not have her go down like a punk b*tch.

I feel her powers are overblown and Madara could have ended the fight as soon as she uttered a single word that confirmed Madara's suspicion that was was a taitor. As soon as that happened...Madara has both the speed and the technique to insta-win against her. She was already making eye contact...so why didn't he use the almighty genjutsu?

In no other manga do I find so much CIS/PIS in the characters with so much apologetics occuring for it. Now comic books...

At leas you called out the captains in Bleach for not using Bankai sooner.