He would port away..then port back right behind her and impale her...then grab her by the throat and genjutsu her....you know...like he did.
You're overlooking that porting in leaves a vulnerable moment, just like porting out does. He's not phased until it's done.
And until she did her trap, impalement wouldn't work.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Q99 and I have been over this point already.You have anything new to bring to the discussion?
Edit - And your lame-ass troll scenario is just that: a lame ass troll scenario. You're obviously pissed that you missed the entire point.
He would port away..then port back right behind her and impale her...then grab her by the throat and genjutsu her....you know...like he did. 😬
Derpy derpy dooo!
Yeah, actual manga pages and junk.
Actually that scenario was written before you really edited. So it's more my quick and witty thinking more than anything else.
You forgetting about the suicide bombs she had on her that would in fact have killed Madara had he done that? You can never rush at an enemy that has a good chance at being dangerous. You have to test them before doing anything.
Of course, it's not like it matters considering:
A. It doesn't discredit Konan's feat itself and all you're doing is really complaining about the fight.
B. Madara is far from the only character in the Narutoverse that ignores the easy way of winning fights.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Yeah, actual manga pages and junk.Actually that scenario was written before you really edited. So it's more my quick and witty thinking more than anything else.
You forgetting about the suicide bombs she had on her that would in fact have killed Madara had he done that? You can never rush at an enemy that has a good chance at being dangerous. You have to test them before doing anything.
Of course, it's not like it matters considering:
A. It doesn't discredit Konan's feat itself and all you're doing is really complaining about the fight.
B. Madara is far from the only character in the Narutoverse that ignores the easy way of winning fights.
More fail on your part.
"Suicide bombs" Derpy derpy doooo!
She'd definitely use her more "suicide bombs" while being impaled having being stuck in a Genjutsu, right?
Did you think that "comeback" through?
You're just mad because I used the scenario that actually resulted in her death as exactly what he'd do...making your fail troll scenario look like a pathetic troll attempt.
Originally posted by Q99
You're overlooking that porting in leaves a vulnerable moment, just like porting out does. He's not phased until it's done.And until she did her trap, impalement wouldn't work.
No I'm not I'm not.
I'm fully aware of the extreme vulnerability moment that it leaves Konan in. 🙂
"Good day to you, SIR!" 😄
You MIGHT have a decent point IF she was a sensor type...but she's not...which is why she's the vulnerable one without CIS/PIS.
Originally posted by dadudemon
More fail on your part."Suicide bombs" Derpy derpy doooo!
She'd definitely use her more "suicide bombs" while being impaled having being stuck in a Genjutsu, right?
Did you think that "comeback" through?
You're just mad because I used the scenario that actually resulted in her death as exactly what he'd do...making your fail troll scenario look like a pathetic troll attempt.
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If he had attacked her right away, instead of going through the banter that is the norm for such fights, yes, he'd have been hit by her suicide bombs. The was her plan A after all.
Now you could make the argument that he should have done that after her initial suicide attack but considering he had his arm blown off, I'd wager he'd be a bit more cautious.
You can call me a troll all ya want. Doesn't change the fact that you really don't have an argument. 🙂
Oh and by the way, him being able to impale at capture Konan at the end of the battle is probably due to her being exhausted from using one of the biggest jutsu in the series. Doing it early would still mean she'd have a good chance at fighting back.
Not that Madara has a good record of sneaking up on people from behind anyway.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
?If he had attacked her right away, instead of going through the banter that is the norm for such fights, yes, he'd have been hit by her suicide bombs. The was her plan A after all.
No he would not have. She'd be impaled and genjutsu'd in a non CIS/PIS and non-monologued moment.
So you can kindly come up with another response other than "nuh uhhhh".
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Now you could make the argument that he should have done that after her initial suicide attack but considering he had his arm blown off, I'd wager he'd be a bit more cautious.You can call me a troll all ya want. Doesn't change the fact that you really don't have an argument. 🙂
Trolling and being a troll are 2 different things.
It doesn't change the fact that you've never had an argument and pretend I don't because you're a Kishimoto apologist.
Just admit it that Kishi HAD to write in PIS instead of this sad attempt to justifying some blatantly sh*tty writing. Kishi is NOT a supreme story teller. He has made tons of mistakes.
"Name them"
No.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Oh and by the way, him being able to impale at capture Konan at the end of the battle is probably due to her being exhausted from using one of the biggest jutsu in the series. Doing it early would still mean she'd have a good chance at fighting back.Not that Madara has a good record of sneaking up on people from behind anyway.
Thanks for proving yourself wrong with that scan. He's keeping up with Minato but he somehow has to be slowed down for Konan.
Good job at making your entire argument fail horribly. I'm not paying you for this, though. I'm poor. 😐
Thanks for proving yourself wrong with that scan. He's keeping up with Minato but he somehow has to be slowed down for Konan.
Remember- you're the only one arguing she's really slow. Madara doesn't need to be slowed down.
Your own assumptions are the only thing forcing problems.
I'm fully aware of the extreme vulnerability moment that it leaves Konan in."Good day to you, SIR!"
You MIGHT have a decent point IF she was a sensor type...but she's not...which is why she's the vulnerable one without CIS/PIS.
It doesn't require a sensor type to notice someone appearing that close, just good awareness, especially considering there's a time delay.
And remember, she was able to successfully defend when he tried to grab before- he lost an arm. Konan can defend purely on reaction to the grabbing itself, that was without worrying about phase-in time on top.
Originally posted by dadudemon
No he would not have. She'd be impaled and genjutsu'd in a non CIS/PIS and non-monologued moment.So you can kindly come up with another response other than "nuh uhhhh".
Except he tried and failed such an attack.
And she's in paper form at the time, what the heck is impaling supposed to do anyway?
Your response is "nuh uh," but it's something that's seen to fail.
You're just being stubborn, you know you're wrong here.
Just admit it that Kishi HAD to write in PIS instead of this sad attempt to justifying some blatantly sh*tty writing. Kishi is NOT a supreme story teller. He has made tons of mistakes.
He has made mistakes- this isn't one of them.
This is something she's shown she's been able to defend against.
Having someone not be vulnerable to something they've been shown to defend against not only isn't PIS, it's like the opposite of PIS.
Originally posted by dadudemon
No he would not have. She'd be impaled and genjutsu'd in a non CIS/PIS and non-monologued moment.So you can kindly come up with another response other than "nuh uhhhh".
Why wouldn't he?
Doing it at the beginning of the fight would leave Konan with the ability to dodge, use her technique, or defend herself. Or break herself out of genjutsu, but whatever.
Nuh uhhh is the equivalent of what you've said. At least I'm explaining my arguments.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Trolling and being a troll are 2 different things.It doesn't change the fact that you've never had an argument and pretend I don't because you're a Kishimoto apologist.
Just admit it that Kishi HAD to write in PIS instead of this sad attempt to justifying some blatantly sh*tty writing. Kishi is NOT a supreme story teller. He has made tons of mistakes.
"Name them"
No.
I know?
I actually have an argument: Konan is strong. Somehow this became a discussion about PIS/CIS of Madara....which doesn't really have anything to do with Konan's strength.
Of course had this not been written in, the audience would have to assume it all happened offscreen. Which would itself be more of a punch to the face.
I know Kishi has made mistakes. But this isn't really one of them.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Thanks for proving yourself wrong with that scan. He's keeping up with Minato but he somehow has to be slowed down for Konan.Good job at making your entire argument fail horribly. I'm not paying you for this, though. I'm poor. 😐
He isn't though. He is intangible, so however fast Minato is at the moment means zilch. He caught Minato after that attack passed through him, an ability Minato was not expecting. You see, the ninja in the series have a knack for being caught off guard when something unexpected happens.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Yep. But it was a genin who used it, so he sucks.
He can resurrect himself. But he never got the chance to when Naruto fought him because Naruto took out his heats. He was legit killed by a Jonin though. awesomeYep. 😛
They at least weren't dead like the Sound 4. awesome
Sure Naruto won after being saved 3 times and Nagato being on the verge of collapsing. Doesn't really count though since he lost prior to that.Konoha?
Nah, I'm like Minato. I have shades of Sasuke and Hinata but I do have more in common with the coolest ninja evar. 😛
Which is why it won't work. We already concluded that Sasuke is the hero of this story remember? awesome
Yeah, but said Genin subdued Jiraiya and took out Sarutobi with it as well, so really, either Ebisu does not suck, or he's in the same class as those two awesome
K, so you got my point then? Bravo.
Minato >>> Naruto, yet Minato's dead and Naruto isn't. vin[/scm]
Nagato's always on the verge of collapsing. Nah, it counts, seeing as I said Deva Path, not Pain. [csm]vin Besides, Minato saving Naruto's ass (and by extension, that of Deva's & Konoha's) was pretty much meant to be a reset.
Or after Madara, who's not in Konoha.
The fact that you think you are a lot like Minato proves that you aren't even as cool as Naruto. vin
But Sasuke's a villain, and Hanabi loves those types.
~ Also yeah, the current argument on Konan's strength is getting old. Just kiss and make up.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Yeah, but said Genin subdued Jiraiya and took out Sarutobi with it as well, so really, either Ebisu does not suck, or he's in the same class as those two awesome
K, so you got my point then? Bravo.Minato >>> Naruto, yet Minato's dead and Naruto isn't. vin[/scm]
Nagato's always on the verge of collapsing. Nah, it counts, seeing as I said Deva Path, not Pain. [csm]vin Besides, Minato saving Naruto's ass (and by extension, that of Deva's & Konoha's) was pretty much meant to be a reset.Or after Madara, who's not in Konoha.
The fact that you think you are a lot like Minato proves that you aren't even as cool as Naruto. vin
But Sasuke's a villain, and Hanabi loves those types.~ Also yeah, the current argument on Konan's strength is getting old. Just kiss and make up.
Nah. Jiraiya and Sarutobi were taken out by the host of the Kyuubi. No shame there.
Still not beating him twice.
Minato was killed by a Demon and a Death God at the same time after he just kicked the Big Bad's arse. He was not killed by mere genin like the Sound Four. vin
I'd like that twist.
I don't really think that so much as simply notice it. You'd have to know me. 😛
Nah, Sasuke is the hero. He'd also try to kill Hanabi anyway so...kinky?
I will soon. But hell, it's something to do. Keeps me from homework.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Nah. Jiraiya and Sarutobi were taken out by the host of the Kyuubi. No shame there.
Still not beating him twice.Minato was killed by a Demon and a Death God at the same time after he just kicked the Big Bad's arse. He was not killed by mere genin like the Sound Four. vin
I'd like that twist.
I don't really think that so much as simply notice it. You'd have to know me. 😛
Nah, Sasuke is the hero. He'd also try to kill Hanabi anyway so...kinky?I will soon. But hell, it's something to do. Keeps me from homework.
Same goes for Ebisu.
Counts as Killing him twice.
Don't matter. He's still dead, and Naruto's still alive. Ergo, Sound 4 > Genins/Chuunin. awesome
Yep. Also, Sasuke can use Izanagi. awesome
Usually when we think of ourselves, we get fairly skewed. 😛
Besides, I doubt you'd readily sacrifice yourself for a bunch of strangers, let alone one good friend. estahuh
Why would he kill her when he can just enslave her? After all, he might want an Eternal Mangekyou Byaku-Sharingan. awesome
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Why wouldn't he?Doing it at the beginning of the fight would leave Konan with the ability to dodge, use her technique, or defend herself. Or break herself out of genjutsu, but whatever.
Nuh uhhh is the equivalent of what you've said. At least I'm explaining my arguments.
I believe you: She can totes dodge an attack that she can NOT:
1. Predict.
2. Detect.
3. Counter.
Well, at least we know you're just making jokes, right? 😄
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
I know?
You implied I said you were a troll.
I had to clarify for you.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
I actually have an argument: Konan is strong. Somehow this became a discussion about PIS/CIS of Madara....which doesn't really have anything to do with Konan's strength.Of course had this not been written in, the audience would have to assume it all happened offscreen. Which would itself be more of a punch to the face.
I know Kishi has made mistakes. But this isn't really one of them.
It does: Konan's strength is dependent upon Madara's CIS turning PIS.
If making large amounts of damage were the only requirements for S class, pretty much anyone could be S class with the prep time she had.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
He isn't though. He is intangible, so however fast Minato is at the moment means zilch. He caught Minato after that attack passed through him, an ability Minato was not expecting. You see, the ninja in the series have a knack for being caught off guard when something unexpected happens.
That's a whole bunch of words that mean absolutely nothing to the words I posted.
You just proved my point that Madara is uber fast. You just helped prove my point that Madara's fight with Konan absolutely required CIS from Madara.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Your arguments are stoopid.
I agree. Why can't people just stop sucking Kishi's dick so much. 😠
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Same goes for Ebisu.
Counts as Killing him twice.Don't matter. He's still dead, and Naruto's still alive. Ergo, Sound 4 > Genins/Chuunin. awesome
Yep. Also, Sasuke can use Izanagi. awesome
Usually when we think of ourselves, we get fairly skewed. 😛
Besides, I doubt you'd readily sacrifice yourself for a bunch of strangers, let alone one good friend. estahuh
Why would he kill her when he can just enslave her? After all, he might want an Eternal Mangekyou Byaku-Sharingan. awesome
Nah. He was beaten by a genin. What a loser. 😛
It counts as killing two of his heart monsters, not him.
He died in an awesome way. The Sound 4 did not. They lost to genin, therefore <Genin.
At the cost of his eyes? o.O
Actually it's because I don't think much of myself that I see similarities to Minato and I.
I would. Anyone one. It's a spur of the moment kinda deal.
Idk. Same reason he killed Karin.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Nah. He was beaten by a genin. What a loser. 😛
It counts as killing two of his heart monsters, not him.He died in an awesome way. The Sound 4 did not. They lost to genin, therefore <Genin.
At the cost of his eyes? o.O
Actually it's because I don't think much of myself that I see similarities to Minato and I.
I would. Anyone one. It's a spur of the moment kinda deal.
Idk. Same reason he killed Karin.
Nah, Ebisu, Jiraiya & Hiruzen were all beaten by one genin. 😛
Or it counts as killing two heart monsters and him.
Excuses excuses. Dying in an awesome way doesn't change the fact that he died, and that the Sound 4 > Genins. 😛
He's Sasuke. He won't have to sacrifice his eye.
Are you humble or do you have low self-esteem? If the former, meh, fine, I'll concede or say you are Killerbee or Haku, if the latter, then you're Hinata. 😛
Meh, hard to prove this until the situation comes up anyway.
He didn't kill Karin. He knew Sakura was coming and wanted to rope her in, and he wanted Karin to infiltrate Konoha. awesome
It does: Konan's strength is dependent upon Madara's CIS turning PIS.
Nope. Konan's strength is dependent on being able to defend against attacks she's shown herself capable of defending against. I.e. it's only dependent on her actual, shown actions.
The only reason either PIS or CIS would be involved is if she's not capable of doing so.
Seriously, stop it, Dadudemon. You aren't doing anything to prove your point with evidence. You're just relying on a false assumption and saying it's PIS/CIS when actual events don't match up with your view, and when AuraAngel and I disagree, with actual examples from the manga, you just claim we're saying "Nuh uh."
That's not just wrong but it's bad debating.
If making large amounts of damage were the only requirements for S class, pretty much anyone could be S class with the prep time she had.
No, it's actually pretty rare for someone to be able to make that much damage regardless of prep.
Even many S class people couldn't.
But she has good personal combat skills in addition to being able to cause wide damage.