The Official Naruto series Thread

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
The MS shit is actually getting out of hand. Madara, Izuna, and Shisui all decided to just butcher their best friend and somehow got a power up.

Either Itachi was lying(which would make him far more evil than he's intended to be) about the whole kill the closest person to you or Sasuke was the closest person to Kakashi and Shisui had an offscreen best pal.

Perhaps Madara got pissed off at his BFF and vaped him. Then when Izuna saw what Madara gained, he decided that he wasn't gonna let Madara shaft him like that.

The thing is, the physical act of killing the person closest to you is not needed in the slightest. The sadness you feel from losing said person; that is what unlocks the MS.
The Uchiha killed their best friends to speed up the process, instead of opting to wait around for their best friend to die from some other cause.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Or maybe Kakashi's closest person was Sasuke? awesome

mmm

He did spend a lot of time with Sasuke, he did take Sasuke to a secluded place, he did tie up Sasuke, and he did chase after Sasuke even in pouring rain..........

I concur. 😛

If that is the case, why the hell would Itachi tell Sasuke to kill his best friend? o.o

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
mmm

He did spend a lot of time with Sasuke, he did take Sasuke to a secluded place, he did tie up Sasuke, and he did chase after Sasuke even in pouring rain..........

I concur. 😛

He also taught him a penetration technique.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
If that is the case, why the hell would Itachi tell Sasuke to kill his best friend? o.o

He also taught him a penetration technique.

You are perplexed at this? When we know that that same dude mind-raped his brother multiple times?
Otherwise: "The Uchiha killed their best friends to speed up the process, instead of opting to wait around for their best friend to die from some other cause."

And he said that they were a lot like each other.

But he's supposed to be a good guy and he wants Sasuke to stain his hands with the blood of an innocent person? o.O

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix

The sadness you feel from losing said person, is what unlocks the MS. This is how Sasuke unlocked the MS.
Exactly why this occurred during the TS for Kakashi is unknown. Maybe the Kakashi Gaiden was us viewing Kakashi's memories of the incident, which led to the unlocking of the MS. He was always visiting Obito's memorial.

Yea. I should say the timing is the unexplained part.

So....who seems like the weakest Kage introduced in the series?

Tsunade. For now. Assuming you are talking about combat power.

Well, he said "weakest" so we could say that Tsunade is the strongest Kage if we go by physical strength.

Overall most powerful? Prolly Minato only due to him being able to beat just about anyone (minus probably Nagato and current Madara...POSSIBLY Itachi...but maybe not).

But weakest Kage, to me, would be the second Kazekage.

The Fourth Kazekage was wtf raaaped by Oro. Oro really was super awesome. Can't believe he went down like a punk b*tch not once but twice.

Second Kazekage? o.O

Originally posted by dadudemon
Well, he said "weakest" so we could say that Tsunade is the strongest Kage if we go by physical strength.

Overall most powerful? Prolly Minato only due to him being able to beat just about anyone (minus probably Nagato and current Madara...POSSIBLY Itachi...but maybe not).

But weakest Kage, to me, would be the second Kazekage.

The Fourth Kazekage was wtf raaaped by Oro. Oro really was super awesome. Can't believe he went down like a punk b*tch not once but twice.

I was assuming he was talking about combat power. uhuh

Minato? Nah, Hashirama is more likely. Minato's likely better in fights due to FTG, but Hashirama has more power IMO. Plus he had some of the Bijuu at his command.

What exactly do we know about the 2nd Kazekage again?

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Second Kazekage? o.O

Yup.

He did nothing except research tailed beasts.

He didn't have magnetic manipulation or sand manip.

The first was supposed to be so strong he united all of the sand ninja under one ninja village (comparable to the first...but not quite as strong).

The third had the iron element and was considered he strongest.

The forth had gold dust manip and was able to fight Shikaku one on one...and also could fight almost evenly with Gaara (gaara was more versatile and intelligent).

The other Kage we have seen, as well. We could make a case for the Yondaime Mizukage, Yagura. However, he reigned during the bloodiest time in Kirigakure so it is unlikely that he would be a "weak" Kage...especially sine Zabuza failed to assassinate him with his uprising attempt. It's hard to think of this Kage as weak due to that.

The second Mizukage is obviously quite uber.

Then we go to the Konoha Kage. The first...a beast. One of the strongest characters in all of Naruto.

The second, similar to the first and had his own techs including the teleport tech that Minato used and the resurrection tech. He was one of if not the most powerful Konoha ninja during his time: no slouch. So he's out, too.

The third? One of if not the single most powerful Kage in Kage history...in his Prime.

Tsunade is quite physically powerful. It's hard to say she's not a good ninja. I want more battle feats. But she would be my second weakest choice.

The second Raikage is most likely uber strong. We don't know how much, but it would be safer to say he was a very strong ninja than to say he was the weakest Kage.

Third? Beastly.

Fourth? Beastly.

So the Raikage's are not really an option.

Of the Tsuchikage's: The first had to be strong because he was a founder among one of the strongest Kage generations: the first one. He built his village around the same time as Konoha and the others. He could not have been weak or else he would have easily been overthrown in his attempts to unify into a village. Strong enough to maintain and setup his village, but still not strong enough to be considered on Madara's or the First's level (because they were said to be the strongest).

The second? Pfffft. Easily one of the strongest.

The third? lol.... no need to justify why he's not weak. Even as an old ass man, he's still very powerful even among the Kage.

So that's all of them. Out of all "known" Kage, the second Kazekage seems to be the weakest of the bunch because he has no good feats that were good enough to note and he didn't have the magnetic element tech that made the fourth and the third awesome.

Next up would be Tsunade. She's my choice for #2. However, she's probably the physically strongest of the Kage.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Minato? Nah, Hashirama is more likely. Minato's better in fights due to FTG, but Hashirama has more power IMO.

I disagree.

Mostly because Minato could take out whole platoons all by himself.

He's also got better one on one ability...in the top 3, no doubt.

And he's more powerful. 😄

Hashi WISHES he had the blonde pube covered balls of Minato. 313

Originally posted by dadudemon
I disagree.

Mostly because Minato could take out whole platoons all by himself.

He's also got better one on one ability...in the top 3, no doubt.

And he's more powerful. 😄

Hashi WISHES he had the blonde pube covered balls of Minato. 313

So could Hashirama with genjutsu and Wood techs. Actually scratch that. Hashirama with Bijuu could take out Armies.

Why would he, when he has BALLS OF STEEL, and Minato wishes he had the good looks and great hair that Hashirama has? 131

No Third Mizukage?

I don't think it's fair to judge Kage we haven't actually seen in action in some way.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
So could Hashirama with genjutsu and Wood techs.

Prove it because there are no feats of that. 🙂

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Actually scratch that. Hashirama with Bijuu could take out Armies.

Prove it because there are not feats of that. 🙂

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Why would he, when he has BALLS OF STEEL, and Minato wishes he had the good looks and great hair that Hashirama has? 131

He has no balls. His brother sucked them off (pun).

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
I don't think it's fair to judge Kage we haven't actually seen in action in some way.

K?

Originally posted by dadudemon
Prove it because there are no feats of that. 🙂

You mean other than his genjutsu acting like a lesser version of Tousen's Bankai, and his Wood Constructs being big enough to make normal trees look like toothpicks?

But fine. Let's compare how they both did against Madara, shall we?
One of them severely wounded Prime Madara with the Kyuubi.
The other drove back a Madara that had a fraction of Prime Madara's strength, thanks to the first one's efforts.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Prove it because there are not feats of that. 🙂

Multiple Menacing balls say otherwise. 🙂

Originally posted by dadudemon
He has no balls. His brother sucked them off (pun).

Nah, he has more balls than Minato could ever hope to have, who sucked his own balls off. vin

If you include his ability to control Tailed Beasts to the point he could trade them like I used to trade Yu-Gi-Oh cards, Hashirama is the most powerful Kage introduced, signifigantly so IMHO.

Yeah, Hashirama + Tailed Beasts= Dead everything.

That said, he isn't likely to have them on a normal basis. Him vs Minato one on one would be interesting. I might give the edge to Minato but it would be close.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
You mean other than his genjutsu acting like a lesser version of Tousen's Bankai, and his Wood Constructs being big enough to make normal trees look like toothpicks?

Proof?

Where is your proof?

There's no proof.

And wood jutsu is great and all...but that's not quite enough to put him down as the teh strongeeohest.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
But fine. Let's compare how they both did against Madara, shall we?
One of them severely wounded Prime Madara with the Kyuubi.
The other drove back a Madara that had a fraction of Prime Madara's strength, thanks to the first one's efforts.

Let's compare how they both did against Madara:

Hashirama got some of his flesh stolen by Madara and Madara went into that fight doing exactly what he set out to accomplish.

He set out to get the Kyuubi from Konoha but Minato beat Madara.

Also, "Fraction" is a bit misleading. 99999999/100000000 is a fractional value.

Results:

Minato: 1
Hashirama: 0

So what did we learn? Madara has only had one fight on screen that he lost and that was against Minato.

Now, you can say that Madara is a shell of his former self, and I agree. But to what extent, we do not know.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Multiple Menacing balls say otherwise. 🙂

That's what I thought: no proof. 🙂

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Nah, he has more balls than Minato could ever hope to have, who sucked his own balls off. vin

Just like Hashirama, you're mad that you couldn't land the second hottest fire-crotch in that universe.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
That said, he isn't likely to have them on a normal basis. Him vs Minato one on one would be interesting. I might give the edge to Minato but it would be close.

This.

I just don't see a Bijuu being that big of a deal to Minato when it's one on one. Even if Hashirama brought 3 or 4 bijuu to a fight ( away from Konoha...this is one on one) against Minato, Minato already has prep always on because he's THAT leet of a ninja. It's like fighting against Madara but more restricted: Madara should never lose a fight against anyone ever because he should be able to just port away and port to where-ever he wants...always. Only PIS fuels any fight he's ever had.