Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Of course, ranking jutsu would probably be more difficult than ranking the shinobi. 😛
Yea, we don't know all of what goes into it, and a really complex A-rank jutsu may be less dangerous in many circumstances than a strong B or even C rank. Of course, the A can probably do something really cool in a specific circumstance and thus helps out a ninja's skill package a lot, and higher power ones do tend to be in higher ranks, but it's not just power.
That said, ever S-class jutsu we've seen is pretty uber.
Originally posted by Bentley
BS. Improving KG is improving chakra. You may as well say that becoming stronger is only developing muscle intelligence.
The only problem with KG improvement that we've seen is the Ninja him or herself just maturing/improving their chakra along side of the KG.
Neji
Kakashi (implanted KG)
Sasuke
They just improved the duration/techs by naturally maturing. Kakashi obviously worked harder to improve his chakra levels because he went from 4 blades in one day to 6+a whole lot of other techs.
I agree with Q99 that there are probably a lot of KG that are S-Rank equivalent but the problem is...the rank appears to be a "skill" measure, not how powerful the jutsu is. In fact, that's pretty much what Jiraiay was saying about the rasengan: the A rank was referring to how much skill it took to do.
No matter how hard a ninja trains, he or she cannot magically start doing a KG.
Originally posted by Q99
Yea, we don't know all of what goes into it, and a really complex A-rank jutsu may be less dangerous in many circumstances than a strong B or even C rank. Of course, the A can probably do something really cool in a specific circumstance and thus helps out a ninja's skill package a lot, and higher power ones do tend to be in higher ranks, but it's not just power.That said, ever S-class jutsu we've seen is pretty uber.
I thought Jutsu were ranked based on their danger levels. Being different from how much damage it can cause in that, for example Kage Bunshin divides your chakra among your clones, being dangerous to yourself
I thought (might be recalling wrong) that we were told early on that the higher the jutsu the greater the risk to yourself. Be it monstrously chakra consuming, putting yourself at risk or whatever.
Eh, I forget these things most of the time admittedly D=
Originally posted by EvilAngel
I thought Jutsu were ranked based on their danger levels. Being different from how much damage it can cause in that, for example Kage Bunshin divides your chakra among your clones, being dangerous to yourself
Yes and no.
Danger primarily determines if a jutsu is forbidden or not, and high-rank jutsu is much more likely to have requirements that could make it forbidden, but not all the A-ranks we've seen are particularly dangerous to the user.
Rasengan's not dangerous to use, just hard as heck to learn, so it's A-rank. Ditto the Mystic Palm medic technique (the glowy hand thing, probably require very high control. Hm.... aaaand I assume you don't want someone without the precision to do it ^^). Shadow Clone jutsu isn't nearly as complex but it's chakra requirements makes it hard enough to use for most that it's A-rank too. There's even A-rank sword techniques.
"The higher the jutsu, the greater the risk," is often the case, but a jutsu may also be high rank simply because it's so incredibly tricky to do. Someone less good won't blow themselves up doing a Mystic Palm, though they could hurt others. And the A-rank sword technique is probably the type of thing that'll get you skewered if you mess it up but it didn't look like the kind of thing where you'd impale yourself.
Originally posted by dadudemonkishi just did that to make kakashi feasibly compete with the now dragon ball-esqe abilities of everyone else.
They just improved the duration/techs by naturally maturing. Kakashi obviously worked harder to improve his chakra levels because he went from 4 blades in one day to 6+a whole lot of other techs.
he was a beast since part one, there is no logical way for him to get almost 3+ times the chackra level he used to have other than him being a damn saiyin.
Originally posted by Bentley
Rasengan is not hard to use? It almost destroyed Naruto when he used it against Kazuku.
Several things wrong there:
1. It's Kakuzu.
2. It wasn't the rasengan, it was the rasenshuriken.
3. It didn't almost kill him: it destroys the chakra network making a "ninja" not able to be ninja anymore.
4. I don't see anyone saying the Rasengan is hard to use. In fact, the only comments I saw were from me talking about the difficulty of the tech being high (A level).
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
lol I read Orgasm. I'm so tired. And I don't know why.Indeed. They actually stood up pretty well to his whole fist.
Or anyone really. Itachi would be cool to follow around. Or maybe one of the actual main characters like Kakashi or Sakura.
The guy dresses as a mummy. Pretty crazy.Probably. But ya never know. 😛
In your sleep-deprived state you are thinking of naughty things? 😛
Damnit, I can't think of a rubber-related comment right now. 🙁
Agreed on Itachi and Kakashi. Not Sakura though. She's small-tiem now. Figuring out the White Zetsu modus operandi was her Swan Song.
Mizukage shaved off his eyebrows. Far crazier.
I'll give you one Rinnegan if he cannot use Water techs without a pre-existing source of Water. 😛
Originally posted by Q99
By the databooks, KG skills are unlisted as *any* class of tech, they're in a category of their own rather than D, C, B, A, S.Even so, there's a lot I'd call S-class level.
Naturally. Stuff like Susano'o & CT would be S if it could be ranked, because they require a certain amount of skill with the KG, and pose quite a high level of risk to the user.
Weirdly enough, none of the Gentle Fist techs are rated either.
Of course, they rely on the Byakugan in most cases, but indirectly so. I assume the Byakugan does not give one the ability to eject chakra from the Tenketsu.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
In your sleep-deprived state you are thinking of naughty things? 😛Damnit, I can't think of a rubber-related comment right now. 🙁
Agreed on Itachi and Kakashi. Not Sakura though. She's small-tiem now. Figuring out the White Zetsu modus operandi was her Swan Song.
Mizukage shaved off his eyebrows. Far crazier.I'll give you one Rinnegan if he cannot use Water techs without a pre-existing source of Water. 😛
Yeah...that was why. haermm
Ha.
I dunno. I'd like to see her get one good fight in.
People without eyebrows have charisma. OR DID YOU FORGET!?
Well I suppose spit could count...Which is how Darui does it.
Originally posted by dadudemon
I'm pretty sure that was a direct reference to the MS.
I got the impression he was talking about more his capacities with what he had...
Oh! I thought of a better example anyway. When Sasuke and Itachi went eye-to-eye and Sasuke broke the genjutsu, Zetsu talked about respective skills with 'weapons'.
The implication being, even though Itachi's is stronger, being a magnekyo and having his chakra, Sasuke trained up the genjutsu-breaking function of the sharingan enough to compete.
2. It wasn't the rasengan, it was the rasenshuriken.
Yea. Rasenshuriken is really dangerous since even the back-blast can cause some damage. Rasengan is something where even if you mess up, it just knocks you back without hurting you.
Originally posted by Q99
Yes and no.Danger primarily determines if a jutsu is forbidden or not, and high-rank jutsu is much more likely to have requirements that could make it forbidden, but not all the A-ranks we've seen are particularly dangerous to the user.
Rasengan's not dangerous to use, just hard as heck to learn, so it's A-rank. Ditto the Mystic Palm medic technique (the glowy hand thing, probably require very high control. Hm.... aaaand I assume you don't want someone without the precision to do it ^^). Shadow Clone jutsu isn't nearly as complex but it's chakra requirements makes it hard enough to use for most that it's A-rank too. There's even A-rank sword techniques.
"The higher the jutsu, the greater the risk," is often the case, but a jutsu may also be high rank simply because it's so incredibly tricky to do. Someone less good won't blow themselves up doing a Mystic Palm, though they could hurt others. And the A-rank sword technique is probably the type of thing that'll get you skewered if you mess it up but it didn't look like the kind of thing where you'd impale yourself.
I agree with what you're saying mostly. Though would it not be a consideration that Rasengan is only a palm thrust, thus an unfortunately straightforward ability, like Chidori. If i recall Rock Lee said even he would never try a such a daring assault on an enemy?
But yeah, I get what you mean otherwise.