The Official Naruto series Thread

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
A bit I guess. But given how Nagato took care of him in an instant, it'd be even easier for someone like Madara.
There's Water in the Air. 313

Mizukage: Why not? K(S)H is kewl. They're prolly from the same clan, or Mizukage just learned their tech.
Raikage: Right on.

Ya rly.
Kirin, remember? Plus he busted a large section of a room just by waking up. awesome
Still count as they can bust mountains, and cannot fly. 313

Suigetsu, obviously. He nearly did it to Sasuke, while nude! Mizukage only did it to an old man made of sand.

Well he was under the Worf affect at that moment. And he'd know more about the Rinnegans powers than he did initially. 😛
Muu is also in the air. And he hates Muu.

Mizukage: Cause Kyoka is a nice name.

Nah.
Wasn't really mountain busting though. More building busting. Though I don't know why you didn't mention dimension busting.
Eh, but there are only nine of them. And we don't know that all of them can use said move. 😛

Mizukage is their (Great)grandfather.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Because... Gaara.. uses.. steam? 🤨

anyway, the "trollkage" meme got a huge boost from that regardless, the irony is he's actually at his most serious (translation loss ftl)

You can be a troll and serious at the same time. 😛

So, does that count as Fridge Brilliance on Kishi's part?

i just took him as a goofy phuck regardless of his status and era he hailed from, but that was kishi's intent it seems.

but more to your question, it's not "fridge brilliance" cause it wasn't really me (or anyone else who thought he was a weirdo), kishi simply withheld information. it's like tobi/madara all over again...kinda

i still don't like the dude yet anyway (pause)

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Basically the fight against Hiruzen, except without someone who barely did anything aiding him, and against a number of people all weaker than the weakest named Jounin we've seen.

I'm not seeing that as proof. What I see is a forest creation tech that is better than Yamato's, but nothing better. Yamato's wood creations are more versitile/useful than the ones Hashirama created in his fight with Hiruzen.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
You conveniently left out Hashirama wounding him to the point where the rest of the world thought he died, and he needed to go into the shadows and start plotting from there.

Oh, you mean the part where I didn't leave out that he was a shell of his former self?

And...you're glossing over the part where he accomplished, in that fight, what he set out to do. Planning from the shadows was the goal, all along.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Also, it is lulzy that you would use such an avenue (Minato stopping his plans) to justify their respective strength when they both faced a Madara at differing levels of strength. Keep it up. 👆

It's interesting that you think there's a large difference because he still had control of the Kyuubi and still was quite formidable.

It's actually baseless to assume how much stronger his old form was over his current shell. We don't even know what that means. His eyes are still in tact. We know he amassed quite a few eyes since that fight. So he may just have lower chakra levels and that's it.

Fact is, a planning calculating Madara lost to Minato but "won" against Hashirama. Regardless of his state, Madara still had his eyes and control over the Kyuubi.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Enough that he wants to attain the Juubi's power to restore himself to his original levels and then use that power to control the whole world, which you pretty much agreed to in another thread. doped

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Not on-screen proof of him actually doing it, but enough proof to know what would happen if he did use multiple Bijuu against something. 🙂

Sure, we know that...but for being such the "beast" controller, he was missing quite a few beasts. If Madara had no attacked Konoha (the first time), Konoha would not have gotten the kyuubi...at least at that time. So, basically, Madara handed over the tailed beast to Hashirama. Also part of his plan? maybe

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Neither could Minato. He landed the 5th hottest fire-crotch instead. Hashirama landed the 3rd hottest crotch after stealing her away from Madara, while Hashirama himself has the hottest fire-crotch. awesome

Yes he did. Kushina is the second hottest redhead in Naruto: fact.

Hashirama did not land the hottest. She's the ugliest female redhead: fact.

Btw, is there any sign what actual jutsu 2nd Mizukage was using to kill those ninja back when he had the clam?

Originally posted by Q99
Btw, is there any sign what actual jutsu 2nd Mizukage was using to kill those ninja back when he had the clam?

Yes.

The sign is called the "Me clam has a beard" yang symbol.

Not cool, man. NOT COOL! 😠

Ponies are cool now.

Originally posted by Q99

Tsunade looks kewl.

Tsunade doesn't have utters...therefore it's unaccurate.

It is also stupid for having Team 8, the most uninteresting of all the teams. So uninteresting in fact that Kishi himself does not care about them.

Their team led to Kurenai's creation...which led to Asuma having character development. Can't be that bad.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Well he was under the Worf affect at that moment. And he'd know more about the Rinnegans powers than he did initially. 😛
Muu is also in the air. And he hates Muu.

Mizukage: Cause Kyoka is a nice name.

Nah.
Wasn't really mountain busting though. More building busting. Though I don't know why you didn't mention dimension busting.
Eh, but there are only nine of them. And we don't know that all of them can use said move. 😛

Mizukage is their (Great)grandfather.

Or Nagato was just too good for him.
Enough that he'd know to run away and hide when he faces it. 😛
Much more Water than Muummy in the air, so he'd still dream about it.

Mizukage: And K(S)H is a nice acronym. 😛

Yah.
Kirin busted the building and the small mountain it was on.
Dimension busting is End-of-DBZ levels though. I mentioned Mountain busting since it is start-of-DBZ levels. 😛
All of them can though according to Bee.

Agreed. No wonder Suigetsu is so bawss. If only he did not have eyebrows, he'd surpass Mizukage.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Or Nagato was just too good for him.
Enough that he'd know to run away and hide when he faces it. 😛
Much more Water than Muummy in the air, so he'd still dream about it.

Mizukage: And K(S)H is a nice acronym. 😛

Yah.
Kirin busted the building and the small mountain it was on.
Dimension busting is End-of-DBZ levels though. I mentioned Mountain busting since it is start-of-DBZ levels. 😛
All of them can though according to Bee.

Agreed. No wonder Suigetsu is so bawss. If only he did not have eyebrows, he'd surpass Mizukage.

Are you suggesting Nagato is better than Sasuke? vin
Nah. Now he'll just be more careful. Though now he'll be dealing with 7 fighters instead of 1. So long as he can avoid the chakra draining one, he should be okay. 😛
Nah. You underestimate his hatred for Muummy.

Mizukage: Kyoka sounds like an actual person.

Nah.
Really? Need to go check. Dun really care since it takes a bit of prep.
But dimension busting is cooler.
The hell does he know? Gaara and Yugito never seemed to use it. 😮

I hope he succeeds.

New idea: This steam jutsu, possibly the father technique to Mei's KG? mmm

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Are you suggesting Nagato is better than Sasuke? vin
Nah. Now he'll just be more careful. Though now he'll be dealing with 7 fighters instead of 1. So long as he can avoid the chakra draining one, he should be okay. 😛
Nah. You underestimate his hatred for Muummy.

Mizukage: Kyoka sounds like an actual person.

Nah.
Really? Need to go check. Dun really care since it takes a bit of prep.
But dimension busting is cooler.
The hell does he know? Gaara and Yugito never seemed to use it. 😮

I hope he succeeds.

New idea: This steam jutsu, possibly the father technique to Mei's KG? mmm

Of course. Nagato beats up strong people. Sasuke beats up helpless clones. vin
The Chakra draining one, the Asura Path, the Human Path, and Deva Path are all ones he needs to avoid. 😛
Or you underestimate his love for Water. And Love > Hate nowadays. 😛

Mizukage: Sure, but KSH makes him seem like a badass. 😛

Yah.
Yep. Eh, just Fire shot into the atmosphere and a bit of time. Though he seemed like he was going to use it against Team 7, right after he busted that room.
True, but that would have been over-the-top, considering you feel Flight is out of place. 😛
Gaara sucks as a Jinchuurikii, and Yugito's fight was off-screen. Plus she used a Fire attack that looked a hella lot like a Bijuu Ball.

Same here. He will of course.

Fire+Water of course. He'd rather use bombs than acid, like a true man. 😛

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Of course. Nagato beats up strong people. Sasuke beats up helpless clones. vin
The Chakra draining one, the Asura Path, the Human Path, and Deva Path are all ones he needs to avoid. 😛
Or you underestimate his love for Water. And Love > Hate nowadays. 😛

Mizukage: Sure, but KSH makes him seem like a badass. 😛

Yah.
Yep. Eh, just Fire shot into the atmosphere and a bit of time. Though he seemed like he was going to use it against Team 7, right after he busted that room.
True, but that would have been over-the-top, considering you feel Flight is out of place. 😛
Gaara sucks as a Jinchuurikii, and Yugito's fight was off-screen. Plus she used a Fire attack that looked a hella lot like a Bijuu Ball.

Same here. He will of course.

Fire+Water of course. He'd rather use bombs than acid, like a true man. 😛

But 3 S nin died after encountering Sasuke while one lost his arm.

But doesn't love=hate according to the Uchiha?

How come his name can't just be Mizukage? "water shadow's" kind of cool right 🙁

Hm.....that makes me wonder why he didn't just use that on Danzo.
Dimension busting is an awesome ninja power.

Gaara did have a cruddy seal at the expenss of his mom's life. Wonder if Yugito went through the process B did.

So....Mei can potentially have bombs? 😕

Originally posted by dadudemon
I'm not seeing that as proof. What I see is a forest creation tech that is better than Yamato's, but nothing better. Yamato's wood creations are more versitile/useful than the ones Hashirama created in his fight with Hiruzen.

Right, and because Hashirama never showed such versatility in a fight where he was being controlled, it means that he lacks such versatility, and can only make forests amirite?

I suppose since Tobirama can only do two Water techs, he really isn't one of the best & well-known Water Style users in that universe.

Plus that one forest creation tech was powerful enough to make Hiruzen shit his pants.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Oh, you mean the part where I didn't leave out that he was a shell of his former self?

And...you're glossing over the part where he accomplished, in that fight, what he set out to do. Planning from the shadows was the goal, all along.

No, I mean the part where Hashirama made him a shell of his former self.

Irrelevant. We're discussing power, not planning & goals.

Originally posted by dadudemon
It's interesting that you think there's a large difference because he still had control of the Kyuubi and still was quite formidable.

It's actually baseless to assume how much stronger his old form was over his current shell. We don't even know what that means. His eyes are still in tact. We know he amassed quite a few eyes since that fight. So he may just have lower chakra levels and that's it.

Fact is, a planning calculating Madara lost to Minato but "won" against Hashirama. Regardless of his state, Madara still had his eyes and control over the Kyuubi.

It's interesting you think there isn't a large difference, as you stated otherwise in another thread, while Kyuubi was a non-factor in the true battle against Minato. kruemelmonsteryn0
Him still being formidable in no way means that he was slightly more or just as formidable in the past.

Not entirely baseless, as we have Madara's statements, and one of Onoki's, to back it up. Compared to his pre-Rinnegan form, Prime Madara was implied to be far better, much like an entire Walnut would be when compared to the Walnut's shell.

Fact is, the Madara that lost to Minato, and the Madara that "won" against Hashirama, were completely different with regards to power. Your 'planning' avenue is a nice strawman BTW. If we were to use your 'planning' avenue to justify power, we would come to the conclusion that Sasuke w/o Orochimaru absorbed >> KN4 Naruto, and Konan <= Minato.

Go back and check again. Against Minato, he had, or rather used, one eye and no Kyuubi for the bulk of the fight. Against Hashirama, he had two EMS eyes and the Kyuubi.
Proof is in the collateral damage. Minato vs. Madara resulted in a small crater. Hashirama vs. Madara resulted in an entire valley.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Sure, we know that...but for being such the "beast" controller, he was missing quite a few beasts. If Madara had no attacked Konoha (the first time), Konoha would not have gotten the kyuubi...at least at that time. So, basically, Madara handed over the tailed beast to Hashirama. Also part of his plan? maybe

I see no proof that he lacked a number of the Bijuu when he started trading them. 'Several' implies that he had the majority of them.

Madara supposedly handing over Kyuubi is irrelevant.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Yes he did. Kushina is the second hottest redhead in Naruto: fact.

Hashirama did not land the hottest. She's the ugliest female redhead: fact.

Oh, you were referring to redheads?

Nah. Fact would be Tsunade having large, motorboat worthy jugs. Kushina being second hottest redhead is not fact when anyone can make a case for Nagato or Sasori being the second hottest redhead. uhuh

Also, Mito > Kushina in nearly every way possible, except character dev and kewlness. Fact. So you are wrong. uhuh

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
But 3 S nin died after encountering Sasuke while one lost his arm.

But doesn't love=hate according to the Uchiha?

How come his name can't just be Mizukage? "water shadow's" kind of cool right 🙁

Hm.....that makes me wonder why he didn't just use that on Danzo.
Dimension busting is an awesome ninja power.

Gaara did have a cruddy seal at the expenss of his mom's life. Wonder if Yugito went through the process B did.

So....Mei can potentially have bombs? 😕

3 S nin died after encountering Nagato too, while three would have lost their lives had it not been for another S nin. 😛

Nah, Hate is just hate.

Mizukage's a Title. Kyoka Suigetsu Hozuki is awesome, or Kyoka Suigetsu or KSH for short.

Prolly because he was too busy using Susano'o. TBH, he could have just used Kirin on the Kage Summit awesome
I noe eh? Pre-Hebi and Hebi Sasuke were freakin' awesome. Current Sasuke seems to be getting there, though he is still using Susano'o against weak things.

Meh. On another note, Karura = Lily Potter.
I think she might have.

Well, she is a bombshell dur313