The Official Naruto series Thread

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Well I know that. I just don't think he was really considering it. Bee and Naruto were the main targets.

He has taken on 2 S Class ninja and wiped the floor with them. The Kage probably would not make a difference to that statue. Though I'd imagine Gaara would get annoying. A too.

Not big on gambling.

I don't know about considering it: it wasn't one of the variables by his perceptions because it should not have happened. Itachi is just so awesome that his contengency plans have secondary trumping functions.

But not 4 S-Class at oncethat are aware of his abilities. That's not all, though: it would be a dozen or more S-Class ninja.

You should be. uhuh

Originally posted by King Kandy
Current Madara would destroy S-class ninja. Pain beat multiple S class on his own, that + sharingan genjutsu + space/time + izanagi + a main body that isn't sick, he will trounce almost any combination of ninja.

On what grounds?

We do not know how well he can do with his new eyes.

Is his Izanagi "endless"? I don't think so.

His body was never sick, just chakra depleted. We don't know how much chakra his original body had except as much as a Bijuu's...or more?

Saying he will trounce the entirety of the SA is a bit far-fetched. Especially since...he can't do that. Why can't he? Where would the story be if he could trounce all the ninja in the SA?

This is the folly of Kishi's writing.

Obviously, Sauce-gay is going to come along and save all the shinobi. 😐

Originally posted by dadudemon
My name is pronounced "duh dewd mon"

Not "da dew demon".

It's the phonetic spelling of how a Jamiancan would say "TheDudeMan", which was my original internet screen name back in the late 90s.

How dare you.

I know.

But I figured that "Da dew demon" is a much lulzier avenue, so I'll call you 'dew demon' from now on. awesome

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
I thought of that but Kabuto said that it's impossible to summon him. Granted he may have been lying and he figured out a way around the whole Death God thing.

If it is Hashirama, we know that what Mu is summoning is not the same coffin used to scare Madara.

You were actually being serious?

Not really, Hashirama would clearly make Madara shit his pants.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
I dunno about equal. I might give Hashirama the edge in that fight.
Well we haven't seen much of him to determine this. Going by his old age though, it's not a bad theory.

Of course. All ninja are supposed to be competent but sometimes a bad match up is just a bad match up. Like Kakashi vs Deidera. One is long distance the other isn't. Sasuke evened it out more by having longer ranged attacks. 😛

I know. Laem. Then again, very doubtful all this Madara stuff was decided at that point. Wasn't until the Sasuke Retrieval arc that Kishi started thinking about Madara probably.

In all seriousness, I would too.
Tis a great theory you mean.

Notice I said 'most cases'. 😛
And Sasuke was a pretty bad match-up for Deidara, though that's offset by Sasuke having enough power of his own to rival Deidara, and being smart enough to figure out his advantage and hammer it home.

I suppose. Still was pretty laem. A fight between high level Kage is supposed to be uber. Granted, they were fighting in a limited space, but still.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I don't know about considering it: it wasn't one of the variables by his perceptions because it should not have happened. Itachi is just so awesome that his contengency plans have secondary trumping functions.

But not 4 S-Class at oncethat are aware of his abilities. That's not all, though: it would be a dozen or more S-Class ninja.

You should be. uhuh

But his contingency plans have all failed. So not that spectacular. ^^;

Well I could make a thread where the SA take on Goku and give them full knowledge. And we know who'd win that.

Nah.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Saying he will trounce the entirety of the SA is a bit far-fetched. Especially since...he can't do that. Why can't he? Where would the story be if he could trounce all the ninja in the SA?

This is the folly of Kishi's writing.

Obviously, Sauce-gay is going to come along and save all the shinobi. 😐

Not that he isn't stronger than the ninja of the SA, he just lacked the knowledge of where Naruto and Bee were. Now that he has it, he is calmly approaching the battlefield. Nothing could stop his Statue after all.

Not really. The Big Bad needs information and has to figure out a way to get it. He has it now so it's off to war for Madara.

That pun has been lame from the beginning and will remain lame. Though I do wonder what Sasuke is up to.

Originally posted by dadudemon

Obviously, Sauce-gay is going to come along and save all the shinobi. 😐

So Naruto is this 'Sauce-gay' huh. vin

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
So Naruto is this 'Sauce-gay' huh. vin

No. Naruto will not save everyone because he didn't. And also because he is supposedly playing into Maddy's plans.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
You were actually being serious?

Not really, Hashirama would clearly make Madara shit his pants.

And Sasuke was a pretty bad match-up for Deidara, though that's offset by Sasuke having enough power of his own to rival Deidara, and being smart enough to figure out his advantage and hammer it home.

I suppose. Still was pretty laem. A fight between high level Kage is supposed to be uber. Granted, they were fighting in a limited space, but still.

Of course. Kishi likes doing stupid pointless things like that. 😛

But he also told Madara that it would be impossible to revive Hashirama. ^^

Really? I thought Sasuke was the best match up. Sharingan+Lightning+Long Distance attack+ Flight? Hellz yeah. Hebi Sasuke was awesome.

Well the new Kage fights have been pretty entertaining, if a tad on the short side.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
But his contingency plans have all failed. So not that spectacular. ^^;

They did?

Itachi didn't fail on all of them.

If you could, name them all and tell me which ones failed. (not "all of them" be specific).

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Well I could make a thread where the SA take on Goku and give them full knowledge. And we know who'd win that.

I don't know how Goku is supposed to handle Genjutsu especially since he monologues...

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Not that he isn't stronger than the ninja of the SA, he just lacked the knowledge of where Naruto and Bee were. Now that he has it, he is calmly approaching the battlefield. Nothing could stop his Statue after all.

Tsunade can stop the statue. TSUNADE CAN!!!! 1234

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Not really. The Big Bad needs information and has to figure out a way to get it. He has it now so it's off to war for Madara.

This will not end well.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
That pun has been lame from the beginning and will remain lame. Though I do wonder what Sasuke is up to.

I've called him that for years. At this point, it's not to be clever or cute: it is his permanent name for me.

Originally posted by dadudemon
They did?

Itachi didn't fail on all of them.

If you could, name them all and tell me which ones failed. (not "all of them" be specific).

I don't know how Goku is supposed to handle Genjutsu especially since he monologues...

Tsunade can stop the statue. TSUNADE CAN!!!! 1234

Here. And here. Can't think of any others since we didn't see much of him.

I don't see how the genjutsu will affect his Ki sensing abilities. 😮

How?

Genjutsu let Mizukage hide from sensors until he lost the clam.

That was a particularly special genjutsu. ^^

Well it seems as if Mū is alive, at least now we might seem some Kekkei Tōta action.

Chapter 558.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Here. And here. Can't think of any others since we didn't see much of him.

I don't see how the genjutsu will affect his Ki sensing abilities. 😮

How?

I don't see those as failures, directly. I see the first as being a success because it still "protected Konoha". In fact, this other option may be better than he originally intended it. The second may not directly function as a success but it appears to have indirectly lead to Sasuke coming around (mark my words...Itachi's love will bring Sasuke to the light side...part of which was the eye technique transference). In fact, Itachi's love already helped in the defeat of one "villain": Danzo.

My opinion on that has been similar to how Yamamoto handled Aizen's Shikai: you won't know unless you're just incredibly intelligent about that stuff. Goku is not such a person. I've theorized that the torture would only make a Saiyan stronger as he got incredibly frustrated with the 72 hours of torture. He'd rage even harder when the tech was done. However, Goku is not an intelligent fighter like the fighters in Naruto. How can Goku stand up to Genjutsu when we have no reason to believe he could stand up to it? How can the Naruto characters win against him when I don't think they could even damage is "hallucinating" body?

With her uber strength. She may be able to pick it up and throw it or something. Maybe punch holes in it...or some stuff. Her super strength may be useful against Gedo balls.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I don't see those as failures, directly. I see the first as being a success because it still "protected Konoha". In fact, this other option may be better than he originally intended it. The second may not directly function as a success but it appears to have indirectly lead to Sasuke coming around (mark my words...Itachi's love will bring Sasuke to the light side...part of which was the eye technique transference). In fact, Itachi's love already helped in the defeat of one "villain": Danzo.

*snippet*

It failed because it hit the wrong person. Sure, it might be better this way, but that doesn't change the fact that his plan, to make Sasuke protect Konoha, failed. It failed to keep Madara away from Sasuke. That was the plan, it didn't work, so it failed. ^^

I wouldn't say Goku is an unintelligent fighter.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
It failed because it hit the wrong person. Sure, it might be better this way, but that doesn't change the fact that his plan, to make Sasuke protect Konoha, failed. It failed to keep Madara away from Sasuke. That was the plan, it didn't work, so it failed. ^^

I wouldn't say Goku is an unintelligent fighter.

I disagree, obviously, because I'm not thinking about it in such linear terms.

I wouldn't say Goku is an intelligent fighter, either.

You could make an argument that the thing with "Protect Konoha" was a success since it did work but accidentally on the wrong person. I don't because a plan that works on the wrong target is a failed plan. The plan in regards to Madara failed though, plan and simple.

My God, women are so useless in this anime. Why are Hinata and Sakura even there?

Well Sakura needs to be there in case someone is dying cause everyone needs a medic. Got me on Hinata though.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
You could make an argument that the thing with "Protect Konoha" was a success since it did work but accidentally on the wrong person.

I could have sworn I made that point ages ago when the chapter came out? (Rhetorical question)

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
I don't because a plan that works on the wrong target is a failed plan. The plan in regards to Madara failed though, plan and simple.

The plan still worked because it worked. Tautology for the win.

And the plan against Madara still worked, in a way: it activated ama when Sasuke's eye saw Maddy's sharing. See, worked. 🙂

If a plan does not do what it was supposed to do, it failed. Itachi's plans failed. 😮

Repetitio est mater studiorium

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
My God, women are so useless in this anime. Why are Hinata and Sakura even there?

Hinata was made so Naruto could go apeshit when she dies/severeley wounded.....duh!!

Sakura's a medical nin and stuff too.

By that logic, all of Kushina's hopes and dreams were destroyed when she saw Naruto again right?