Originally posted by dadudemon
That's awesome that the 3rd can make an educated guess on the 4th's intentions with Naruto (he knew him really well). But, I said this: "He did not tell ANYONE to treat Naruto nicely."
Unless of course he told the 3rd, who was there. 😮
Originally posted by dadudemon
Oh, you're talking about the "love" Naruto and Bee have in their hearts.When you said "his two suns", that doesn't make sense, still, in context of the manga. It would be "their two suns" with a reference to Bee having occured at some point before that statement.
In other words, you suck. uhuh
You suck for not getting it the first time.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Saving his life?Maybe. Keep in mind that keeping Naruto around when Minato could have EASILY teleported Naruto to a safe place and back. It's a false dilema you have created, sir. 🙂
It's too late: by the time Naruto is 17, mastering Kyuubi mode doesn't matter. That's what you're missing.
Yes.
Ah but he could not have done so after using Reaper Death Seal. He could barely move. :3
But considering Naruto is far and away stronger than most of the cast and it's due to their help, they get credit for it. Did they abandon him? Well, by being dead I guess, yeah.
Originally posted by dadudemon
This is why Neji is considered the genius of his generation. Neji is a pretty dang good genius if you consider that he independently created/discovered the main branch secret techs. That's absurd. It's like Naruto seeing the rasengan and doing it on his own without help (absurd). (Pwned about Minato doing that. But Minato is smarter, by far, than Naruto).
I was actually under the impression that the Main House never liked to do things in front of the Branch House and Neji literally just made it up on his own.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Spread Naruto's training out over 2 hours a day. That's still just a few months compared to Minato. Naruto also figured out a forbidden Jounin technique on his own by reading a piece of paper. In other words, your response actually doesn't do anything to counter what I said. Naruto also had to figure out his rasenshuriken stuff.Prove me wrong, please, with some evidence.
Of course we're assuming that Minato devoted 2 hours a day to training. Naruto figured out how to do one seal and he still sucks that jutsu. He just has an incredible amount of chakra to make up for it and render the point moot.
Prove that it has taken Naruto more than 2 weeks to master something? Done. Of course, he doesn't even get that mastered until sometime during the time skip I'd wager.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngelAnd yet, it worked out much better. vin
Or was it?Contrary to what the manga wants me to believe, he was never that much like Gaara or Sasuke. The latter two never painted monuments for sheer shits and giggles. Naruto was born tougher than those two, which is really why he isn't that emo. Gets it from his mommy.
Madara doesn't get all of it, allowing Naruto to have some of the Kyuubi's chakra left.
Madara has always had the balls to deal with Kabuto.
Thanks to luck, PIS & Protagonist juice. 😛
Minato has no precog.
Nada, Naruto himself admits he was like them before he met Iruka & Sasuke, and he painted monuments for shits and giggles after he met Iruka & Sasuke.
Born tougher than Gaara at least. Not Sasuke though.He's not the sissy Naruto is.
It's an all or nothing deal with Madara & the Kyuubi's chakra.
Lies.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
I was actually under the impression that the Main House never liked to do things in front of the Branch House and Neji literally just made it up on his own.Prove that it has taken Naruto more than 2 weeks to master something? Done. Of course, he doesn't even get that mastered until sometime during the time skip I'd wager.
I thought he had seen them and then copied them.
To be fair, Naruto couldn't shape his chakra properly thanks to Orochimaru's handiwork, no pun intended. Besides, Naruto is the type that needs guidance & help in his training.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Unless of course he told the 3rd, who was there. 😮
Unless of course, he couldn't, cause he died injecting the last bit of his chakra into his son (I hate you) and sealing it.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
You suck for not getting it the first time.
No, you still suck for not getting it correct the first or second time.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Yes.Ah but he could not have done so after using Reaper Death Seal. He could barely move. :3
But considering Naruto is far and away stronger than most of the cast and it's due to their help, they get credit for it. Did they abandon him? Well, by being dead I guess, yeah.
No, he's that strong because he's Naruto. His parents don't get credit because they didn't train him.
And, like others have pointed out, it was not even necessary for it to go down like that.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
I was actually under the impression that the Main House never liked to do things in front of the Branch House and Neji literally just made it up on his own.
I'd have to watch the anime again, but I believe it was said he figured it out by just watching.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Of course we're assuming that Minato devoted 2 hours a day to training. Naruto figured out how to do one seal and he still sucks that jutsu. He just has an incredible amount of chakra to make up for it and render the point moot.
Nah. Naruto is the man with shadow clones. Remeber his fight with Neji? It was so perfect that not even a chakra sensing genius like Neji could figure out which one was Naruto. 🙂
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Prove that it has taken Naruto more than 2 weeks to master something? Done. Of course, he doesn't even get that mastered until sometime during the time skip I'd wager.
Oh, you mean when Naruto learned absolutely nothing for 3 weeks straight, Jiraiya figured that out, and decided to teach him in 5 minutes by throwing him off a cliff?
But, hey, it was a nice try on your part. 313
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Thanks to luck, PIS & Protagonist juice. 😛
Minato has no precog.Nada, Naruto himself admits he was like them before he met Iruka & Sasuke, and he painted monuments for shits and giggles after he met Iruka & Sasuke.
Born tougher than Gaara at least. Not Sasuke though.He's not the sissy Naruto is.
Minato is aware of all those things. Chosen One and junk.
Or does he?
But Iruka didn't treat him particularly special before chap 1 apparently.
Eh, maybe. Sasuke was a quiet kid.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
It's an all or nothing deal with Madara & the Kyuubi's chakra.To be fair, Naruto couldn't shape his chakra properly thanks to Orochimaru's handiwork, no pun intended. Besides, Naruto is the type that needs guidance & help in his training.
Nope.
Jiraiya had already removed the seal. 😮
Originally posted by dadudemon
Unless of course, he couldn't, cause he died injecting the last bit of his chakra into his son (I hate you) and sealing it.No, you still suck for not getting it correct the first or second time.
Unless of course the flashback ended before he actually died. 😮
Two Suns could mean so many things after all.
Originally posted by dadudemon
No, he's that strong because he's Naruto. His parents don't get credit because they didn't train him.And, like others have pointed out, it was not even necessary for it to go down like that.
But, Kushina helped him beat the Kyuubi. And Minato put her there. And Minato saved Naruto before Naruto did something really stupid and let the Kyuubi out. Minato saved Naruto when Naruto was weak. 313
Kushina had no choice. Minato didn't really have much of a choice either. Keeping a Jinchuriki around is vital. And if it has to be Naruto, so be it.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Nah. Naruto is the man with shadow clones. Remeber his fight with Neji? It was so perfect that not even a chakra sensing genius like Neji could figure out which one was Naruto. 🙂
Originally posted by dadudemon
Oh, you mean when Naruto learned absolutely nothing for 3 weeks straight, Jiraiya figured that out, and decided to teach him in 5 minutes by throwing him off a cliff?But, hey, it was a nice try on your part. 313
No, I mean where Naruto trained like mad for 3 weeks and actually got nowhere. And Jiraiya throwing him off the cliff did not help him master it, as seen here.
So, nope. Took him months to get it. In fact, he probably only got it over the time skip.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Unless of course the flashback ended before he actually died. 😮Two Suns could mean so many things after all.
One problem: they both barely had enough chakra to give to Naruto. Just enough, in fact.
I guess you forgot that part?
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
But, Kushina helped him beat the Kyuubi. And Minato put her there. And Minato saved Naruto before Naruto did something really stupid and let the Kyuubi out. Minato saved Naruto when Naruto was weak. 313Kushina had no choice. Minato didn't really have much of a choice either. Keeping a Jinchuriki around is vital. And if it has to be Naruto, so be it.
Every last one of those points is irrelevant to my point.
This is many years after the fact of my actual point.
Do you want me to explain my point again? (I don't think I do as you probably understand my actual point better than I do.)
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Remember this?
Whew. Aren't you super glad that he's not talking about shadow clones?
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
No, I mean where Naruto trained like mad for 3 weeks and actually got nowhere. And Jiraiya throwing him off the cliff did not help him master it, as seen here.
So what I said. I know I'm right, you don't have to tell me.
Kind of like how Naruto could never master the clone jutsu? 🙂
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
So, nope. Took him months to get it. In fact, he probably only got it over the time skip.
So you agree with me that he didn't train for anything that took weeks?
I'm glad you agree with me.
But, let's try and stick within context instead of going outside my points.
Can you think of any actual "weeks" for the items I listed?
Originally posted by dadudemon
One problem: they both barely had enough chakra to give to Naruto. Just enough, in fact.I guess you forgot that part?
That does not mean he could not say a few things before dying. Reason that was not shown was because it was irrelevant.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Every last one of those points is irrelevant to my point.This is many years after the fact of my actual point.
Do you want me to explain my point again? (I don't think I do as you probably understand my actual point better than I do.)
Your point is that "His parents do not get credit for anything, they're poopoo heads." Both parents saved his life and helped him get in control of the Kyuubi.
Did they help him train? No, I guess not, on account of them caught with a case of being dead. What do you want from Minato, for him to do everything for Naruto? And even with training, no it wasn't all Naruto because Bee helped.
So your argument that they didn't help him with anything can be countered with the brilliant saying, "No shit."
Originally posted by dadudemon
Whew. Aren't you super glad that he's not talking about shadow clones?
Ah but you see, that was merely an example he chose. It does not change the fact that Naruto sucks at summoning chakra and controlling it. Only reason his clones work are due to his stamina.
Originally posted by dadudemon
So what I said. I know I'm right, you don't have to tell me.Kind of like how Naruto could never master the clone jutsu? 🙂
You implied Naruto learned how to do it in 5 minutes by being thrown off a cliff. He did not. He learned how to do it when his life was in danger, but that's very different from mastering it. And we clearly see he didn't get that done until likely sometime during the time skip.
And he didn't. But that's a random thing to mention so....?
Originally posted by dadudemon
So you agree with me that he didn't train for anything that took weeks?I'm glad you agree with me.
Can you think of any actual "weeks" for the items I listed?
Sure, the Summoning Jutsu. I'm sorry you forgot to list that particular jutsu because Naruto took months to master it. 😮
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Minato is aware of all those things. Chosen One and junk.
Or does he?But Iruka didn't treat him particularly special before chap 1 apparently.
Eh, maybe. Sasuke was a quiet kid.Nope.
Jiraiya had already removed the seal. 😮
Minato's aware of PIS, luck, Naruto's history & Protagonist juice eh? Must be one of the fanbois taken Manga form. Always knew there was something strange about him.
Does he?
He bought him Ramen. 😮
I'd think so. He barely cried after resolving to kill Itachi, and shunned dozens of girls. That's strength right there. vin
Yep.
Yeah, I checked right now. >__> Ah well, Naruto still needs some guidance and help with his training whenever he's learning something new for combat. Only time I can recall said factor applying was when he learned the Multiple Shadow Clone jutsu in one night. That was better than anything else Naruto has done since. awesome
~ And an avatar of Gin eh? Doing it out of spite or boredom, or have you started to like him?
Also, dew demon, reply to my post dammit. ermmfist
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Also, dew demon, reply to my post dammit. ermmfist
There's no reason to. There's a certain point when discussing something further becomes baseless and useless. All I can say is "No, what I said" but neither of us can use evidence. For example, I think Kishi planned to make Naruto uber awesome from the beginning...but he built in stupidness to counter that. You think Kishi built the stupidness first and then added awesome. Proof of either side? Nope.
The only thing I can have a legitmate dialogue about is the Susano'o against Oro thing: Itachi did not use that against Oro. He simply cut off Oro's hand after the genjutsu. That was the end.
That happened that way in both the manga and anime.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
That does not mean he could not say a few things before dying. Reason that was not shown was because it was irrelevant.
Prove it.
Doesn't happen in both the anime or manga.
Baseless assumptions cannot be accepted.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Your point is that "His parents do not get credit for anything, they're poopoo heads." Both parents saved his life and helped him get in control of the Kyuubi.
False dilema, as I pointed out already.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Did they help him train? No, I guess not, on account of them caught with a case of being dead. What do you want from Minato, for him to do everything for Naruto? And even with training, no it wasn't all Naruto because Bee helped.
Already talked about that. Circles again.
To recap: Naruto did not have to be on the battlefield...at all. From there, just read my posts again.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
So your argument that they didn't help him with anything can be countered with the brilliant saying, "No shit."
If and only if you didn't understand previous posts of mine, yup.
But, if you want, I can pretend that you're arguing against an axiom I have stated. Regardless, I'm still right. 🙂
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Ah but you see, that was merely an example he chose. It does not change the fact that Naruto sucks at summoning chakra and controlling it. Only reason his clones work are due to his stamina.
That does not counter what I stated. You used a false example to counter my point about his shadow clones. It did not work, I called you on it. Moving along ...
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
You implied Naruto learned how to do it in 5 minutes by being thrown off a cliff. He did not. He learned how to do it when his life was in danger, but that's very different from mastering it. And we clearly see he didn't get that done until likely sometime during the time skip.
That's correct: Naruto learned the entire thing in less than 5 minutes by being thrown off a cliff.
The end.
Any other attributes you want to apply to it are false.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
And he didn't. But that's a random thing to mention so....?
That Naruto...get this...sometimes never learns something.
Why do you think I was talking about very specific jutsus?
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Sure, the Summoning Jutsu. I'm sorry you forgot to list that particular jutsu because Naruto took months to master it. 😮
He didn't.
He took less than 5. It was something that Naruto could not learn but had to experience.
It was still a nice try on your part, though, right?
Originally posted by dadudemonThe only thing I can have a legitmate dialogue about is the Susano'o against Oro thing: Itachi did not use that against Oro. He simply cut off Oro's hand after the genjutsu. That was the end.
That happened that way in both the manga and anime.
Fair enough.
Nada. I don't know for sure if that fight went down like that, but I do know that Orochimaru and Itachi used their biggest techs in each other's presence. Besides, I doubt a cut arm was enough to stop Orochimaru, the same guy that can regen.
1) http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v43/c392/7.html
Itachi recognizes Orochimaru's most powerful tech which means that he's obviously seen Orochimaru use it in battle.
Of course, it is possible that Itachi had watched Orochimaru use it against someone, but that's unlikely, as most Akatsuki members did not really fight alongside those they were not partnered with, and Orochimaru was Sasori's partner.
And it also brings me to my second point:
2) http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v43/c392/13.html
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v43/c392/14.html
Orochimaru is not surprised to see Susano'o in the slightest, despite it stopping his Hydra's advance. Instead, he takes note of the sword once its hax effect kicks in.
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~ Anyway, is Dust Release still not an effective counter against ET bodies? A high-end Rasengan jutsu pushed ET's regen to the limits. Dust Release techs are more powerful than that Rasengan jutsu.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Gin's not a kid, and you're too much of a sissy to be Gin. uhuhBut Gin >>>>>>>> Tousen in awesomeness and character.
But Gin used that phrase. And he was a creepy kid. And not really. Gin is a bit of a pussy.
Nah.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Aura you're creepy in a 50 year old man with a neckbeard posing as a kid online while flirting with girls kind of way.Doesn't fit.
But I'm not. 😮
It fits perfectly.