You mean at point blank range when Aizen didn't care if he got hit or not because it would all go Just as Planned? Would not call that a feat in his favor. Especially since Ichigo proved this.
And Ice Clones help. ^^
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
So? That doesn't mean he beat Hitsugaya. He attacked an unconscious girl. Soooo skilled.
It was either Hitsugaya or the unconscious girl, and Gin pointed this out to distract Hitsugaya, so yes it was a skilled move, moreso than anything Hitsugaya's done. vin
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
You mean at point blank range when Aizen didn't care if he got hit or not because it would all go Just as Planned? Would not call that a feat in his favor. Especially since Ichigo proved this.And Ice Clones help. ^^
He'd need a very massive pillar of ice to do what Ichigo did against Gin's Bankai slash. Or maybe his wings would work, but his wings are featless. mmm
Would help only once, which Gin no doubt already knows about as of Fake Karakura town arc.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
It was either Hitsugaya or the unconscious girl, and Gin pointed this out to distract Hitsugaya, so yes it was a skilled move, moreso than anything Hitsugaya's done. vinHe'd need a very massive pillar of ice to do what Ichigo did against Gin's Bankai slash. Or maybe his wings would work, but his wings are featless. mmm
Would help only once, which Gin no doubt already knows about as of Fake Karakura town arc.
But he didn't use said time to strike Hitsu so it's not like it changed anything. 313
Can make one of those up in no time.
He is a genius after all. He'll figure out the right time to use it.
Hmmm....
Shinji vs Gin?
Originally posted by TheAuraAngelIncorrect.
You mean at point blank range when Aizen didn't care if he got hit or not because it would all go Just as Planned? Would not call that a feat in his favor. Especially since Ichigo proved this.And Ice Clones help. ^^
Aizen admitted that fear for his life was what was required for him to ascend further, he did not react because he could not. And we saw that Aizen at base was easily capable of taking down Hitsugaya, while also taking out a captain arguably stronger than him, and one definitely stronger than him.
Ichigo is much faster than Hitsu.
The Ice Clone implies prep. He can't make those willy nilly.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
I don't know for sure if that fight went down like that, but I do know that Orochimaru and Itachi used their biggest techs in each other's presence. Besides, I doubt a cut arm was enough to stop Orochimaru, the same guy that can regen.
Oro was stunned from a paralysis genjutu. (I am getting my info from the anime).
It was over right after that. In both the manga and the anime. It is what caused Oro to have the biggest boner ever for Uchihas (seriously, the anime doesn't hold back at all...It looks like Oro ALMOST splooges (I'm not exaggerating)).
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
1) http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v43/c392/7.html
Itachi recognizes Orochimaru's most powerful tech which means that he's obviously seen Orochimaru use it in battle.
Of course, it is possible that Itachi had watched Orochimaru use it against someone, but that's unlikely, as most Akatsuki members did not really fight alongside those they were not partnered with, and Orochimaru was Sasori's partner.
And it also brings me to my second point:
That does not mean they fought each other. It is more likely that they know about each other's jutsus (maybe not all of them) because they are all part of Akatsuki. You're also talking about a Sanin: how could people not know about Orochimaru's techs...especially someone part of the same "team"?
Since their fight ended there, it is more logical to conclude that Itachi knew of the tech because of his being part of Akatsuki and that Oro is so absurdly famous.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
2) http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v43/c392/13.html
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v43/c392/14.htmlOrochimaru is not surprised to see Susano'o in the slightest, despite it stopping his Hydra's advance. Instead, he takes note of the sword once its hax effect kicks in.
The same as above: they are part of the same team. Since we know their fight ended with the loss of his hand, we must come up with other more reasonable explanations.
Q99, I have some qualms regarding your hierarchy.
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You're saying that Nagato with or without his six paths of pain is more powerful than Itachi Uchiha. However, it's evident from the manga that Itachi is superior to Nagato.
Let's start with the six paths of pain.
Each of the bodies are susceptible to illusionary techniques.
Furthermore, no body has shown any considerable resistance to illusionary techniques.
Nagato admitted that if Jiraiya knew of his secret he'd never be able to defeat him.
It's further hinted that Orochimaru is more powerful than Jiraiya. Orochimaru may be omitting Jiraiya's hermit mode technique while stating this, but then again it's possible that he didn't.
However, we're all aware of how Orochimaru compares to Itachi.
Even though Orochimaru is adept with illusionary techniques as indicated by his maxed out stat.
Illusionary techniques, or genjutsu is written: "幻術" and can be seen in the lower left corner of the web diagram.
Even after Naruto Uzumaki defeated Nagato his the six paths of pain, Naruto admitted that he wouldn't be able to defeat Sasuke Uchiha who just recently had attained the final version of Susanoo, unlike Itachi who most likely have had time to master the technique.
On top of that there were multiple references from the battle before Naruto's clash with Sasuke explaining that Sasuke wasn't on Itachi's level.
And according to the translation of the second Naruto data book, page 277 by mangahelpers.com the mangekyō is the supreme eye technique as given by the following segments.
"Assuredly, Mangekyou Sharingan is the ultimate doujutsu*."
"-The extreme clairvoyance of those heavenly eyes, gazing down upon past, present and future is the reason why they are feared as the strongest (tn: not 100% sure I got this one right)."
And I doubt I'll have to elaborate on that Itachi isn't as dependent on the power of his eye technique as Nagato.
Finally, we know how easily Itachi can dispatch of Nagato.
Uh huh......
Itachi would have lost that fight had Bee and Naruto not contributed to blowing up Chibaku Tensei. Or at least, that is how it seemed.
Second, no, Orochimaru is not stronger than Jiraiya. Good cite feats but I'll just point out that the databook states Jiraiya has better stats than Orochimaru, Jiraiya also being tied with Itachi.
Third, Naruto is full of crap if he actually thinks he is incapable of beating an injured tired Sasuke. Though if the fight had happened, Sasuke would probably win because Naruto was poisoned. But that's rather irrelevant.
Lastly, I don't think you understand how Q99's list actually works. The factors that determine placement, near as I can tell, are strength(or power output), skill, and variety. And the Rinnegan offers far more in the way of the first and last. Itachi is arguably more skilled than Nagato but that doesn't really help him.
Edit: Oh and in regards to the databooks claim that the MS is the strongest of the eye techniques, Manga says otherwise.
Originally posted by Astner
Even after Naruto Uzumaki defeated Nagato his the six paths of pain, Naruto admitted that he wouldn't be able to defeat Sasuke Uchiha who just recently had attained the final version of Susanoo, unlike Itachi who most likely have had time to master the technique.
I'd forgotten about that. Man what a load. Naruto would have steamrolled him. But I guess then the manga would be over. What stupid PIS.
But good post Astner. 👆
Edit: Interesting. 'Its exactly like-'? My old theory that Sasukes connected to the Kyuubi is resurfacing.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Itachi would have lost that fight had Bee and Naruto not contributed to blowing up Chibaku Tensei. Or at least, that is how it seemed.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Second, no, Orochimaru is not stronger than Jiraiya. Good cite feats but I'll just point out that the databook states Jiraiya has better stats than Orochimaru, Jiraiya also being tied with Itachi.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Third, Naruto is full of crap if he actually thinks he is incapable of beating an injured tired Sasuke. Though if the fight had happened, Sasuke would probably win because Naruto was poisoned. But that's rather irrelevant.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
ThirdLastly, I don't think you understand how Q99's list actually works. The factors that determine placement, near as I can tell, are strength(or power output), skill, and variety. And the Rinnegan offers far more in the way of the first and last. Itachi is arguably more skilled than Nagato but that doesn't really help him.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Edit: Oh and in regards to the databooks claim that the MS is the strongest of the eye techniques, Manga says otherwise.
Also, that's a mistranslation. The word used was 崇高 (pronunciation: hira) which means greatest or supreme, typically denoting nobility and not power.
Or you could just put "あの眼…三大瞳術の中でも最も崇高とされる眼" into translate.google.com, or any other translator.
You should get.
So nothing about power, or being the most powerful. While translate.google.com is horrible it's a good indicator of my sincerity. But then again translating from Japanese kanji to English is not that simple, especially not if you have to do it through an algorithm.
I dunno if there is a need for me to reply now or not, but what the hell, I'm bored.
Nagato would beat Itachi, Paths or not probably. Though using the Paths against Itachi would be the preferable method of dealing with his genjutsu.
And going by feats, Rinnegan>MS>Byakugan>Base Sharingan maybe? Last two are interchangeable.
One can be Shinra Tenseid away.
Susano'o can also be fought off with Shinra and Chakra draining.
Tsukuyomi is the hardest to deal with and solo Nagato might not be able to do it. Six Paths of Pain however can deal with it quite easily. There is a fatal flaw in Tsukuyomi: this.
And remember, Nagato can be this up far longer than Itachi can.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
One can be Shinra Tenseid away.Susano'o can also be fought off with Shinra and Chakra draining.
Tsukuyomi is the hardest to deal with and solo Nagato might not be able to do it. Six Paths of Pain however can deal with it quite easily. There is a fatal flaw in Tsukuyomi: this.
And remember, Nagato can be this up far longer than Itachi can.
Except there is no way to tell when he's going to cast it until he does.
So all of the Pein's will be standing there blind with their eyes closed to avoid Itachi's tsukoyomi... leaving them completely defenseless against all the other shit he can do instead.
