The Official Naruto series Thread

Started by Demonic Phoenix1,600 pages

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Soo....exactly how does the SA plan to not be crushed by a giant asteroid....cause if it's Gaara related then I'm going to be kind of pissed.

I also feel kind of sorry for A and Tsunade if Tobi can replicate a fraction of this with his Paths...and Sharingan.

Oh...and I though Gai was using the Kaioken when he used the 7th Gate, just saying.

Killer Bee to the rescue? Or maybe Madara doesn't really intend to crush them with it.

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Soo....exactly how does the SA plan to not be crushed by a giant asteroid....cause if it's Gaara related then I'm going to be kind of pissed.

Well, as long as Gaara doesn't stop it by sheer power (maybe he uses some quicksand to evacuate the army or something) I don't actually mind. Gaara's powerset is quite flexible afterall.

Originally posted by SquallX
Why are people mad that Kishi's making his characters powerful.

Seriously saying it's not a manga about ninjas anymore makes no sense, the manga just used a ninja theme. Even from the beginning, when was the last time you've read about real ninjas walking on water, could control the elements, are having mystical eye powers.


I'm not mad. As far as your second statement, all the time. magical ninja are a common cliche of the genre. I feel like Kishi went to the extreme side of things when he introduced the sage and started focusing way more on the mythology of the story. That stuff was OK but you have to admit that a ninja creating the moon, is a little bit above that. This is what people mean when they compare it to DBZ; they're talking about the telescoping power levels.

truth

kishi forgot that he originally had the akatuski think they were gathering bijuu to use as village busting weapons of mass destruction, though most of the members could do that on their lonesome.

the sasori puppet fight was the last skillful, high-rank ninja battle (if it wasn't for itachi's plot shield i would say his fight with sasuke was reminiscent of the good old days)

No love for Danzo vs Sasuke?

Originally posted by psycho gundam
truth

kishi forgot that he originally had the akatuski think they were gathering bijuu to use as village busting weapons of mass destruction, though most of the members could do that on their lonesome.

the sasori puppet fight was the last skillful, high-rank ninja battle (if it wasn't for itachi's plot shield i would say his fight with sasuke was reminiscent of the good old days)

Nah, Kakuzu & Hidan vs. Kakashi & Team 10 was the last one. Of course, Naruto had to come in and ruin it somewhat, but that was near the ending.

Originally posted by Bentley
No love for Danzo vs Sasuke?

That battle had Izanagi and Susano'o powering up.
Other than that, I'd agree.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
the sasori puppet fight was the last skillful, high-rank ninja battle (if it wasn't for itachi's plot shield i would say his fight with sasuke was reminiscent of the good old days)

Can't say I agree. The Sasori fight was very very good. But I don't think it was the last skillful fight. While I consider the Hidan and Kakuzu fights complete garbage, Sasuke vs Deidara was probably my favorite fight in the manga. Sasuke vs Itachi was ruined later but I suppose I don't care much about that. Naruto vs Pain was pretty good, all things considered. And I thought Jiraiya vs Pain wasn't that bad.

Of course, I liked a bunch of the World War fights too.

Ninja wars battles have been piss poor imo, their saving grace is having some secondary characters being relevant (Darui and Fatso).

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Killer Bee to the rescue? Or maybe Madara doesn't really intend to crush them with it.

Hmm....the former sounds more probable to me even if the latter sounds more likely to happen. I know Kabuto has done som dumb shit with the zombies but using an asteroid just to show off would put Kabuto's lameness to new levels.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Can't say I agree. The Sasori fight was very very good. But I don't think it was the last skillful fight. While I consider the Hidan and Kakuzu fights complete garbage, Sasuke vs Deidara was probably my favorite fight in the manga. Sasuke vs Itachi was ruined later but I suppose I don't care much about that. Naruto vs Pain was pretty good, all things considered. And I thought Jiraiya vs Pain wasn't that bad.

The Sasori fight didn't involve blowing up shit....flamethowers can be excused though. I personally thought Hidan vs Asuma/Shikamaru was pretty cool(animated anyway) and the Deidera fight is one of Sasuke's best battles.

Jiraiya vs Pain was good but Naruto vs Pain went to shit once the Kyuubi took over.

Originally posted by Bentley
No love for Danzo vs Sasuke?

I will never forget how much that fight dragged on. It's cool looking back now, but reading through it when new was once of the biggest drags in the series.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Irrelevant. I was comparing Raditz & SS3 Goku to upper tier DBZ characters, and when compared to upper Tier Naruto characters, Madara's more like SS3 Goku.

Okay, so an apples to oranges comparison on your part?

Got it. 😄

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Gai didn't have yellow hair. iirc, that didn't stop you from terming his 7 Gates mode a SS transformation or something like that.

It wasn't his yellow hair.

It was the raised hair, super energy aura, and blasting air around his person.

The only thing he's missing is the yellow hair.

So, unlike your comparison, it fits all but one visual attribute. (Meaning, I win n'stuff. )

Originally posted by psycho gundam
truth

kishi forgot that he originally had the akatuski think they were gathering bijuu to use as village busting weapons of mass destruction, though most of the members could do that on their lonesome.

Nation busting, to be fair.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Okay, so an apples to oranges comparison on your part?

Got it. 😄

It wasn't his yellow hair.

It was the raised hair, super energy aura, and blasting air around his person.

The only thing he's missing is the yellow hair.

So, unlike your comparison, it fits all but one visual attribute. (Meaning, I win n'stuff. )

Much like your comparisons amirite.

Let us see:
Raised hair - Not present all the time.

Super Energy Aura - Evaporating sweat, not chakra.

Blasting Air - You got this I guess.

It fails in all but one attribute. Your definition of 'win' is poo, like you. uhuh

Notice I also said 'SS3 Hair', not 'SS3'. kruemelmonsteryn0

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Much like your comparisons amirite.

Not at all.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Let us see:
Raised hair - Not present all the time.

Perfectly equal to a super saiyan, so it supports my position.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Super Energy Aura - Evaporating sweat, not chakra.

Perfectly equal to my visual comparison - the method used to accomplish that visual comparison is unnecessary because I was definitely sure to post the following:

Originally posted by dadudemon
So, unlike your comparison, it fits all but one visual attribute. (Meaning, I win n'stuff. )
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Blasting Air - You got this I guess.

I had all three.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
It fails in all but one attribute. Your definition of 'win' is poo, like you. uhuh

Attributes you want to compare with my example, but for which I never made a comparison for in my claim: I was sticking to "visual", not methods by which that visual was accomplished.

This, my friend, is what they call a strawman logical fallacy because you misrepresented my perspective and argued against that.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Notice I also said 'SS3 Hair', not 'SS3'. kruemelmonsteryn0

And SS3 hair grows from a shorter lump of hair (this is what you would call a strawman argument, but fits in the context of the conversation because Gai's hair never grows which makes my comparison a more logical comparison), requires a lack of other hair in other places ( do you think is scrote goes bald, too?), and is yellow.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
truth

kishi forgot that he originally had the akatuski think they were gathering bijuu to use as village busting weapons of mass destruction, though most of the members could do that on their lonesome.

the sasori puppet fight was the last skillful, high-rank ninja battle (if it wasn't for itachi's plot shield i would say his fight with sasuke was reminiscent of the good old days)


I would say Jiraiya vs Pain was the last really skillful fight; Pain didn't really use many of his special abilities and the stuff he did use, I don't think would have been that out of place in the early series. It is the deva path that is really overpowered, and he didn't fight in that one.

I don't consider Sasuke vs. Danzo skillful, all Sasuke did was use the MS over and over again. And the rules seem to change from chapter to chapter as a big deal is made out of "every eye takes 60 seconds to close" only to be ignored in the last section as Kishi desperately needed to knock off another three for Sasuke's trick to be effective.

Would you have preferred the fight go on for a couple more chapters? 😛

Well, to be honest I was hoping Sasuke would lose. Though I knew it wasn't a very realistic prospect.

And actually, yes; it easily could have gone on a few more chapters. Kishi needed to give Danzo more unique jutsu.

Danzo had quite a lot of neat Wind jutsu. And I didn't think his Izanagi was that bad.

Though I can't honestly say I'd understand why someone would rather want Sasuke to lose instead of Danzo. The latter was probably the most revolting character in Naruto. I'm glad he got his comeuppance.

'Most revolting character in Naruto?' What did he do to deserve that title?

The most revolting character would be someone like Orochimaru or Pain.

I'll find examples in a minute but the gist of it is, Danzo has found a way to be both a Complete Monster and a Complete Brat at the same time.

But its not like he destroyed an entire villiage or molests little boys.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Not at all.

Perfectly equal to a super saiyan, so it supports my position.

Perfectly equal to my visual comparison - the method used to accomplish that visual comparison is unnecessary because I was definitely sure to post the following:

I had all three.

Attributes you want to compare with my example, but for which I never made a comparison for in my claim: I was sticking to "visual", not methods by which that visual was accomplished.

This, my friend, is what they call a strawman logical fallacy because you misrepresented my perspective and argued against that.

And SS3 hair grows from a shorter lump of hair (this is what you would call a strawman argument, but fits in the context of the conversation because Gai's hair never grows which makes my comparison a more logical comparison), requires a lack of other hair in other places ( do you think is scrote goes bald, too?), and is yellow.

Christ, are you actually being serious about this? facepalm2