Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Did anyone notice that the giant meteors had no effect on the sealed Edo Kages. I personally though that two meteors would prodce a strong enough force to release the seals....guess I was wrong.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Why not?And ah, but there is the rub. Tobi was lying to Madara. That is why things aren't going according to plan. What Madara considers to be his and Tobi's plan is actually not Tobi's at all. Tobi plans to destroy the Uchiha name and who better to use as a means of destroying it than their strongest member?
Of course, I have no basis for any of this. I just think it would be ****ing awesome to see!
It just doesn't feel lke something Kishi would write. It's only "intuition" and I cannot really voice why it doesn't feel like something Kishi would write.
I do not see Tobi trying to destroy the Uchiha name, at all. That actually serves to "good" purpose for anyone. No one really cares about the uchiha because the last two left were all bad (the remaining two) and the recent one revived was already bad (Madara).
So it's a futile plan to begin with.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Thats because no one cares what you think.
Have a heart: he can't even get laid. That's just adding insult (literally) to injury.
Originally posted by King Kandy
That bugged me as well. My guess: Kishi thought "dang, I don't want to have to put all those guys back into the story again... i'll just ignore them and hope nobody notices".
I thought they were summoned to a safe "storage" area very shortly after being sealed. Else their comrades ET bodies would free them right on the battlefield.
Is that not the case?
Originally posted by dadudemon
I thought they were summoned to a safe "storage" area very shortly after being sealed. Else their comrades ET bodies would free them right on the battlefield.Is that not the case?
I have a question about the fake madara situation. Did kisame know who the fake madara really was. I ask this because he actually revealed his face to kisame who recognized him. Although I always assumed he though it was madara, if im not mistaken he never actually called him that when he saw his face.
Originally posted by King Kandy
Nope. We saw Muu trying to open his other half's bonds, it was just sitting there right on the battlefield.
That's stupid.
So if they are all left right where they are sealed...what's the point of sealing them when Zetsu can pop-up, anywhere, and open them?
That's a big oversight on Kishi's part. I just assumed that as soon as they were sealed, they had a "summoner" summon them into a undisclosed storage location.
Originally posted by HueyFreeman
I have a question about the fake madara situation. Did kisame know who the fake madara really was. I ask this because he actually revealed his face to kisame who recognized him. Although I always assumed he though it was madara, if im not mistaken he never actually called him that when he saw his face.
No, Kisame called Madara, Madara up on the building scaffolding thing.
Originally posted by dadudemon
That's stupid.So if they are all left right where they are sealed...what's the point of sealing them when Zetsu can pop-up, anywhere, and open them?
That's a big oversight on Kishi's part. I just assumed that as soon as they were sealed, they had a "summoner" summon them into a undisclosed storage location..
Originally posted by HueyFreeman
I have a question about the fake madara situation. Did kisame know who the fake madara really was. I ask this because he actually revealed his face to kisame who recognized him. Although I always assumed he though it was madara, if im not mistaken he never actually called him that when he saw his face.
Scans?
Originally posted by dadudemon
That's stupid.So if they are all left right where they are sealed...what's the point of sealing them when Zetsu can pop-up, anywhere, and open them?
That's a big oversight on Kishi's part. I just assumed that as soon as they were sealed, they had a "summoner" summon them into a undisclosed storage location.
The only places where they're left as-is is this division, where there's only four enemies and no zetsu running around, and they're in big sand coffins.
The cloth sealers take 'em away, and presumably they'd take these ones away too it's just, y'know, more immediate threats.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Thats because no one cares what you think.
Well you're a cat so **** you too.
Originally posted by dadudemon
It just doesn't feel lke something Kishi would write. It's only "intuition" and I cannot really voice why it doesn't feel like something Kishi would write.I do not see Tobi trying to destroy the Uchiha name, at all. That actually serves to "good" purpose for anyone. No one really cares about the uchiha because the last two left were all bad (the remaining two) and the recent one revived was already bad (Madara).
So it's a futile plan to begin with.
Have a heart: he can't even get laid. That's just adding insult (literally) to injury.
Well I suppose one can't actually explain that. 😛
Why would it be a "good" purpose? And you forgot that I do not consider Tobi an Uchiha, so the only one left alive is Sasuke, who is bad because Tobi made sure he would turn out that way. The newly revived Madara is bad but we already knew that. And saving the Uchiha name is something someone is already trying to do. Remember Itachi? awesome
If he can become the new god of the world and destroy the people he hates, I can't say that would be futile.
There is a bit of a difference between can't and doesn't want to. 😮
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Why would it be a "good" purpose? And you forgot that I do not consider Tobi an Uchiha, so the only one left alive is Sasuke, who is bad because Tobi made sure he would turn out that way. The newly revived Madara is bad but we already knew that. And saving the Uchiha name is something someone is already trying to do. Remember Itachi? awesome
Wireless keyboard with cellphone interferring with the reciever.
It's missing a couple of letters.
It should read:
"That actually serves two "good" purposes for anyone."
However, I intended it to read: "That actually serves two "no-good" purposes for anyone."
Meaning, the two purposes it serves is useless in its direction: the uchiha name is already bad.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
If he can become the new god of the world and destroy the people he hates, I can't say that would be futile.
They are already destroyed and the name is already smeared.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
There is a bit of a difference between can't and doesn't want to. 😮
I disagree: you complained about "can't" multiple times.
Originally posted by dadudemon
They are already destroyed and the name is already smeared.I disagree: you complained about "can't" multiple times.
The first, yes, obviously. The last is not. Not yet anyway. Tobi plans to make the name synonymous with evil by doing horrible things as Madara Uchiha and using Sasuke as well. The only ones in the way are the Elders, whom he is going to let Sasuke kill, and Naruto, who he plans to kill. Well, Kabuto too I guess.
Tobi is heading to Naruto, who will know about all this once his clone dissipates. If Tobi arrives, I wonder if Naruto can get a legit answer out of him.
Rule of Le Funny.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
The first, yes, obviously. The last is not. Not yet anyway.
The council elders know and Tsunade has to know. The leaders of the land of fire know, too. That's not something that would go unnoticed by the nations leaders: an entire clan is magically wiped out. They probably had to get permission OR there is an overlap with the Konoha elders with the nation's leaders.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Tobi plans to make the name synonymous with evil by doing horrible things as Madara Uchiha and using Sasuke as well.
Who knows that Sasuke is a missing-nin that has done bad stuff?
Pretty much all of the Shinobi world. Or at least the leaders of the shinobi world.
Sasuke ruined the reputation long before Tobi got to him.
People came from all over the world to see the last "good" Uchiha compete in the exams. When he went out of his way to become a missing nin, it would be everything including ludicris to assume that Sasuke did not smear that last bit of the Uchiha's name at that point (Itachi had already done so).
So that scan is useless to back your point up: Itachi is wrong. The Uchiha name has nothing to it.
The only thing any Uchiha can do at this point is REVIVE the name.
You would have a much better case to say that Tobi is trying to revive the Uchiha name...but is failing at it.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
The only ones in the way are the Elders, whom he is going to let Sasuke kill, and Naruto, who he plans to kill. Well, Kabuto too I guess.
Ahh, okay. So you do agree with me.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Tobi is heading to Naruto, who will know about all this once his clone dissipates. If Tobi arrives, I wonder if Naruto can get a legit answer out of him.
I hope he does. I want the Tobi answer answered.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Rule of Le Funny.
I don't get it.
Originally posted by dadudemon
The council elders know and Tsunade has to know. The leaders of the land of fire know, too. That's not something that would go unnoticed by the nations leaders: an entire clan is magically wiped out. They probably had to get permission OR there is an overlap with the Konoha elders with the nation's leaders.
Of course it didn't go unnoticed. But I don't believe they needed permission since they simply blamed Itachi, as planned. Konoha need not explain the actions of a mad man. And according to Tobi, who may or may not be telling the truth, only 4 knew. 2 are dead and the 2 left don't seem like the type to tell Tsunade.
Interesting Plot Point that could have been: Kakashi could have confronted the elders about Tobi's tale. Fearing the trouble he could cause, they try to assassinate him during the war.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Who knows that Sasuke is a missing-nin that has done bad stuff? Pretty much all of the Shinobi world. Or at least the leaders of the shinobi world. Sasuke ruined the reputation long before Tobi got to him. People came from all over the world to see the last "good" Uchiha compete in the exams. When he went out of his way to become a missing nin, it would be everything including ludicris to assume that Sasuke did not smear that last bit of the Uchiha's name at that point (Itachi had already done so). So that scan is useless to back your point up: Itachi is wrong. The Uchiha name has nothing to it.
Yes, now. Though I disagree. All Sasuke did in the ninja world before Tobi was kill Itachi and Orochimaru, "The Bad Guys." How awful. And actually they were there merely to see the Uchiha in action. Whether he was a good guy or not was rather irrelevant to them. I.e Gaara. And no, Itachi's plan was designed in a way to make the Uchiha look good. Since Itachi still doesn't want the name to look badly to the village, yes, the name is still preserved. Despite the actions of him and Sasuke. But Tobi's actions will change that. Since he plans to become the host of a Monster, or rather plans for "Madara" to become the host of a monster, he is associating the Uchiha with a Monster that threatens the world. That is the complete annihilation of the Uchiha clan.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Ahh, okay. So you do agree with me.I hope he does. I want the Tobi answer answered.
I agree with you that they're in the way.
He won't be honest. But we'll get hints.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Interesting Plot Point that could have been: Kakashi could have confronted the elders about Tobi's tale. Fearing the trouble he could cause, they try to assassinate him during the war.
I do wonder about that...
Kakashi is not in a very "tenable" position.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Yes, now. Though I disagree. All Sasuke did in the ninja world before Tobi was kill Itachi and Orochimaru, "The Bad Guys." How awful.
Then there's the whole problem of betraying Konoha and becoming a missing nin to pursue his own selfish desires.
You forgot about that...which is the most important point I've made already.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
And actually they were there merely to see the Uchiha in action.
Actually, it was to see the last remaining good Uchiha in action. He was a promising ninja (top of his class).
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Whether he was a good guy or not was rather irrelevant to them. I.e Gaara. And no, Itachi's plan was designed in a way to make the Uchiha look good. Since Itachi still doesn't want the name to look badly to the village, yes, the name is still preserved. Despite the actions of him and Sasuke. But Tobi's actions will change that. Since he plans to become the host of a Monster, or rather plans for "Madara" to become the host of a monster, he is associating the Uchiha with a Monster that threatens the world. That is the complete annihilation of the Uchiha clan.
And Sasuke ruined that last bit of "good" by betraying Konoha.
And, try not to play up Tobi too much: he wants to be the 10-tails host. Jinchuriki's are already a known concept. He wants to bring peace to the world, as well, by forcing everyone to stop fighting. Sure, it's removing their will in SOME regards...but he's not really being "bad".
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
I agree with you that they're in the way.He won't be honest. But we'll get hints.
I think more people know about the secret masacre than is being lead on. It is probably part of a larger plan as of yet uncovered.
We had better. uhuh
Methinks Tobi and Madara planned all of these events even before Madara's fight in VotE.
Considering the fact that Madara was known as the bad guy all around the ninja world, the only person willing enough to trust Madara that I can think of is his own brother, Shisui.
BTW, is it possible that Itachi is also in cahoots with Shisui and Madara?
He may be lying about Shisui's presumed death.
Buit If he's one of the good guys, I think he'll probably confront EMS Sasuke.