Thought of something.
Tobi and Madara have shown the ability to summon the Kyuubi. Now the question is, who taught who how to do that?
And if Madara didn't die during the battle with Hashirama, who killed him? mmm
Oh and I had a dream where Mikoto was revealed to be the real Tobi. It was very scary. She was a monster.
I think I read a post theorizing about how Nagato got the Rinnegan from another Rinnegan user.
I have to disagree with that.
Nagato's Rinnegan was innate; he just unlocked that ability in such an early age because he was, after all, meant to be the Chosen One instead of Naruto.
With regards to the rankings, I'd say what Nagato did (resurrecting everyone he killed after that massive Shinra Tensei) is arguably a greater feat than Madara's double meteor mash.
So I'd say Nagato is about equal, or a nodge above Madara (for now), since he definitely would've mastered the Rinnegan better than Madara, who just acquired it fairly recently before his death.
I have to disagree with that.
Nagato's Rinnegan was innate; he just unlocked that ability in such an early age because he was, after all, meant to be the Chosen One instead of Naruto.
Two things- one, Tobi *said* he gave Nagato the Rinnegan. Two, in Madara's case it came when Senju and Uchiha was combined.
I thought there would be a limitation to the Outer Path's ressurection powers since it revives the individual in their own body.
By the time Tobi got the Rinnegan, either through Nagato of through the transplant, Madara should've been a well decayed corpse...thus would make it sort of inefective I think.
Originally posted by Q99
Two things- one, Tobi *said* he gave Nagato the Rinnegan. Two, in Madara's case it came when Senju and Uchiha was combined.
2) What does that have to do with Nagato? That Nagato probably is a love child of a Senju and an Uchiha?
Originally posted by Q99
It shows that Nagato being somehow given Uchiha power to activate Rinnegan does fit.
It seems the manga has proven that Tobi was around Madara's era.
So that ultimately negates the "Obito is Tobi" theory.
So far, the only prime suspects that may be behind the mask are:
Shisui, Mito, or someone we've never heard of before.
Like how exactly? You mean Nagato and a random Uchiha met somewhere sometime before?
No, I mean Nagato and Tobi met before, and Tobi gave him the power so that his rinnegan would awaken.
So far, the only prime suspects that may be behind the mask are:
Shisui, Mito, or someone we've never heard of before.
Why Shisui? He's way too young to be Madara's era, being around Itachi's age.
Originally posted by Bentley
I think that Tobi did give the eyes to Nagato, but if he did so it was probably out of need, so Nagato did awake the Rinnegan, just not by Sharigan evolution as previously seen. Maybe Tobi gained something by said filtering?
Note that summoning the Gedo statue, the key thing that lets them seal up the tailed beasts, is what left Nagato emaciated and physically weak.
Possibly that, and the similarly potentially-fatal resurrection jutsu, is what he needed someone else to do.
By the way, how many factions are in possesion of senju cells so far?
Lesse, Tobi has them, Madara has them. Konoha did via Yamato, but lost him to Kabuto.
Tsunade may or may not count, and likewise whether you count Uzumaki is up to you, but pretty much all of the baddies have wood, and Konoha has Senju-related but non-wood people.
Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
BTW, is it possible that Itachi is also in cahoots with Shisui and Madara?
He may be lying about Shisui's presumed death.
I believe we settled this already. We figured out that it wasn't possible because Shisui's body was recovered..without eyes or something.
Originally posted by Q99
..but pretty much all of the baddies have wood...
😖hifty:
Keep in mind that a "brother" is still possible as being Tobi. Younger..older. It doesn't matter.
Also, I was thinking about something: is it possible that the Great Sage had to activate his Rinnigan eyes and he was born with the Sharingan?
If so, that would mean that the Great Sage had to do some naughty stuff to get there. There's no reason to believe the Great Sage DIDN'T have to do that stuff. Maybe the great sage is naughtier than we thought?
Maybe the great sage is Tobi?
Someone told me years ago that the origins of the Sharingan are from a demon. What if the 10-tails is the originator of the sharingan?
Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
I thought there would be a limitation to the Outer Path's ressurection powers since it revives the individual in their own body.By the time Tobi got the Rinnegan, either through Nagato of through the transplant, Madara should've been a well decayed corpse...thus would make it sort of inefective I think.
The body likely undergoes some sort of regeneration when the soul comes back.
Think about it. People that were crushed under debris or impaled (like Fukaku) were resurrected and were fine after the resurrection. Kakashi died due to chakra loss, but he was fine when resurrected.
I first thought about his as being fridge horror, i.e. some dies due to a broken neck, is then resurrected, and then dies again since the neck is still broken. But it makes no sense, and I don't think it's a plot hole on Kishi's part.
Originally posted by Q99
Hey, how about this one- Tobi killed Madara as part of the plan so they could resurrect young and strong Madara after Tobi had gotten the Gedo statue from a rinnegan user and most if not all of the tailed beasts.
This is plausible. He probably killed Madara because he was too weak after the battle to properly utilize the Rinnegan. Maybe Nagato had Madara's/Izuna's eyes. But Nagato has an uncanny resemblance to Madara.
I think what Tobi told Konan about Madara was true i.e. Madara entered that battle with Hashirama to gain his power, and controlling Konoha was a secondary objective, if Hashirama could be beaten.
Also, I was thinking about something: is it possible that the Great Sage had to activate his Rinnigan eyes and he was born with the Sharingan?If so, that would mean that the Great Sage had to do some naughty stuff to get there. There's no reason to believe the Great Sage DIDN'T have to do that stuff. Maybe the great sage is naughtier than we thought?
It's... possible, I guess, but remember he also had full Senju power from the start. I think the staged activation is only needed for non-Senju Uchiha.
Consider the sage's Elder Son. He appeared to have Rinnegan, yet he definitely didn't take his brother's eyes.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Someone told me years ago that the origins of the Sharingan are from a demon. What if the 10-tails is the originator of the sharingan?
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Now what would give you that idea? 😛
Coincidence!