Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
She won that fight, as Shikamaru conceded, so stfu. 🙂
Conceded due to being out of chakra, specifically. So he could've won if he'd done more physical training, but even though he got into an advantageous position, he couldn't use it.
And to make up for only winning by concession, she ROFLstomped Tayuya a bit later 🙂
Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Tenten doesn't have any wins if I recall, I guess I could give Sakura the Zetsu clone, and Tsunade still had partial help from Jiraiya against Orochimaru.Come to think of if, Tayuya has perhaps one of the best track records of the female nin introduced in Naruto, since she was only seconds away from killing a male character by herself.
I'd make a better case for Mei than A personally but whatever. By knocking down a peg, I meant the effect of Naruto's talk no jutsu where he tried to convince A to not have Sasuke killed. Nagato was truly beaten by a book 😛
He almost mamed himself to try an kill Sasuke after putting him on his back. Naruto still needed to be smacked as well for acting like a brat, which was semi working until Bee knocked him down. Though none of that would've happened had Tsunade not just stood there feeling bad for Naruto.
She does. Tsunade did most of the work.
She didn't beat anyone.
A did nothing but be stubborn though.
Indeed. Did it work? Not really. Will Sasuke remember the fight? Probably not. You're arguing that Naruto was acting like a brat but A was acting just as childish. 😛
She won that fight, as Shikamaru conceded, so stfu. 🙂
I guess in the same way Sasuke beat Itachi. 313
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
She does. Tsunade did most of the work.She didn't beat anyone.
A did nothing but be stubborn though.
Indeed. Did it work? Not really. Will Sasuke remember the fight? Probably not. You're arguing that Naruto was acting like a brat but A was acting just as childish. 😛
Tenten has victories? Jiraiya was still present though, even if it was almost equal to the Chiyo/Sakura partnership.
She almost killed a male secondary character who was neither pre-handicapped nor tired from a previous fight. Only Konan trumps that IMO.
A's stubborness>>>>Naruto's talk no jutsu 😛
He's Sasuke, he probably doesn't give a crap about his fight with Deidera...who almost blew him up if it weren't for PIS.
Nah...Naruto was more of a brat. Though he probably could've scared A had he just showed the Rasenshuriken. Tsunade could've prevented all of that though so who's the real criminal eh?
Originally posted by dadudemonDemonic Phoenix and I were talking about this, earlier: I concluded that this was why Hashirama (the first Hokage) decided to sell/give away the other tailed beasts but keep the Kyuubi: it was still stronger than all other Bijuu combined. So Hashirama could afford to give/sell them all away as long as he kept the Kyuubi. And by "afford" I mean from a strategic military perspective. Selling or giving them all away would not make much strategic sense in the event that 2 or 3 villages ally themselves against Konoha so Hashirama had to have made a nice strategic decision there. He was uber powerful and intelligent...because his clan was the most powerful clan before everyone decided to make villages together.
Anyway, so it all makes sense, in the end...and it shows that Kishi really did write some parts of the manga quite well: all of the "bijuu" stuff makes sense when you look at other parts of the story. No plot holes.
Oh right, I forgot to reply to that post of yours. >__>
Anyway, I do not think Kisame and Akatasuki knew that Minato had sealed half of the Kyuubi's chakra into the Death God, because the only ones who knew what happened were Minato, Kushina, Hiruzen, the ninja with Hiruzen, Gamatora, and of course the Kyuubi. Through Gamatora, Jiraiya & the other Toads found out. I doubt Hiruzen told anyone about the incident, except possibly his advisors (though Danzo does not seem to know).
Anyway, based on the balancing bit, I think the Sage divided up the Juubi's chakras sequentially, i.e.
Amount of Juubi's chakra present in a Bijuu with X tails = (1/2^[10-X])
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Well, Ino is less of a waste. Hinata and Temari are worse though. Temari in particular.Actually, **** the Sand Siblings in general.
Only when working with Shikamaru and Chouji. Useless otherwise.
Hinata and Temari are crap. They should be killed off.
I liked Gaara. Still do. Granted, he's a Sue now, and is Naruto-verse's Harry Potter.
Temari's got ossum legs. That's about the only redeeming stuff concerning the Sand Siblings.
Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
Before the bullshit power creep that took place halfway through Shippuden occured, Temari as of the Sasuke Retrieval arc was one of the strongest ninja in the manga.So **** you guys.
U MAD BRO?
Originally posted by Q99
I'll note that it doesn't necessarily need to be equal to all the others combined to affect balance. Presumably the others are partially counterbalancing each other too, and the whole setup may be delicate.A weight that's simply the largest of the whole may be able to throw things off, even if it's a third, a fourth, or a fifth.
Could be.
The setup is delicate. The Nine-tails had to be sealed in last, and apparently, from another version that I've seen, they had to be sealed in order.
Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Tenten has victories? Jiraiya was still present though, even if it was almost equal to the Chiyo/Sakura partnership.She almost killed a male secondary character who was neither pre-handicapped nor tired from a previous fight. Only Konan trumps that IMO.
A's stubborness>>>>Naruto's talk no jutsu 😛
He's Sasuke, he probably doesn't give a crap about his fight with Deidera...who almost blew him up if it weren't for PIS.
Nah...Naruto was more of a brat. Though he probably could've scared A had he just showed the Rasenshuriken. Tsunade could've prevented all of that though so who's the real criminal eh?
Jiraiya "helped" defeat Manda. I say helped because Tsunade did the majority of the work and was the one who actually killed Manda. So not as equal as the Chiyo/Sakura partnership, where the work really was probably split 50/50.
Chiyo did kill one. 😛
Nah man.
A, because he tried to kill someone. A minor actually. 😛
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Jiraiya "helped" defeat Manda. I say helped because Tsunade did the majority of the work and was the one who actually killed Manda. So not as equal as the Chiyo/Sakura partnership, where the work really was probably split 50/50.Chiyo did kill one. 😛
Nah man.
A, because he tried to kill someone. A minor actually. 😛
Meh...details. Oh...and just to let you know, my dislike for Tsunade is the same as your dislike for A, therefore I'll downplay any of her feats when I get the chance. For example Tsunade stalemated Kabuto prior to all of that summon nonsense.
She killed one with the help of a pink haired plot device. Not to mention Sasori decided to pussy out at the last few seconds.
Yep.
Jiraiya technically almost killed a minor. Besides it was Naruto he was trying to kill so all's forgiven.
Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Meh...details. Oh...and just to let you know, my dislike for Tsunade is the same as your dislike for A, therefore I'll downplay any of her feats when I get the chance. For example Tsunade stalemated Kabuto prior to all of that summon nonsense.She killed one with the help of a pink haired plot device. Not to mention Sasori decided to pussy out at the last few seconds.
Yep.
Jiraiya technically almost killed a minor. Besides it was Naruto he was trying to kill so all's forgiven.
She beat a copy of herself. Why? Tsunade is not as lame/dumb as A. And she didn't stalemate him, she lost. Granted, it had nothing to do with skill because Kabuto used her phobia against her. Had that not been the case, she'd have beat him.
Proper term is partner. Not much he could have done though.
Nope.
Indeed. But that is irrelevant. A tried to stop Naruto, he was wrong in doing so. Naruto ended up turning the tide of the war, albeit most likely momentarily.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
She beat a copy of herself. Why? Tsunade is not as lame/dumb as A. And she didn't stalemate him, she lost. Granted, it had nothing to do with skill because Kabuto used her phobia against her. Had that not been the case, she'd have beat him.Proper term is partner. Not much he could have done though.
Nope.
Indeed. But that is irrelevant. A tried to stop Naruto, he was wrong in doing so. Naruto ended up turning the tide of the war, albeit most likely momentarily.
Perhaps but Tsunade decided to be Naruto's cheerleader instead of actually doing stuff sometime along Part 2 for no particular reason. A's only dumb when fighting, he's actually pretty competent outside the battle field. Kabuto beating Tsunade's even worse abeit exploiting a weakness, at least A has the main character excuse.
Plot device and parter are synonymous when regarding Sakura. Assuming his mom and dad were lying around, he could've stole them back from Chiyo but oh well.
I think so.
Not really. Sure trying to kill Naruto was uncalled for but he had every right to stop Bee and Naruto since the whole war was designed to protect them. Plus at that point we had no idea what extent Naruto could use his new powers to aside from evil sensing. Turning the tide of the war just happened to be by a stroke of luck on the SA's part.
Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Perhaps but Tsunade decided to be Naruto's cheerleader instead of actually doing stuff sometime along Part 2 for no particular reason. A's only dumb when fighting, he's actually pretty competent outside the battle field. Kabuto beating Tsunade's even worse abeit exploiting a weakness, at least A has the main character excuse.Not really. Sure trying to kill Naruto was uncalled for but he had every right to stop Bee and Naruto since the whole war was designed to protect them. Plus at that point we had no idea what extent Naruto could use his new powers to aside from evil sensing. Turning the tide of the war just happened to be by a stroke of luck on the SA's part.
Well, what *could* she do? A is smarter outside battle than in I will grant that. Kabuto is now a big bad. Tsunade fought the Big Bad and lived. 313
Protect, not kill. And we knew Naruto had the evil sensing, which was the key to beating the Zetsu forces. So when you think about it, had A killed Naruto, it would have been very lulzy to see the Zetsu kill everyone.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Well, what *could* she do? A is smarter outside battle than in I will grant that. Kabuto is now a big bad. Tsunade fought the Big Bad and lived. 313Protect, not kill. And we knew Naruto had the evil sensing, which was the key to beating the Zetsu forces. So when you think about it, had A killed Naruto, it would have been very lulzy to see the Zetsu kill everyone.
Smack Naruto and make him think logically. With her strength it could've worked too. Hehehe....point for Tsunade I guess.
He probably wasn't going to kill Bee, just Naruto. I would totally adore Kishi had he done just that, aside from the killing Naruto part. Besides the SA should of though of something against that since I assume there's shared intel about the Zetsu.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Quick little tangent here: How many characters actually know that the Kyuubi sealed inside Naruto is at half power? 😛
A shit ton of people: all of the people with Hiruzen. Kakashi...and probably all Jounin in Konoha. Add in all of the leaders.
Pretty much every single person with a name in Naruto knows: half was sealed into the death god and the other half in Naruto. Even Jiraiya, who wasn't there, knew.
Originally posted by Q99
I'll note that it doesn't necessarily need to be equal to all the others combined to affect balance. Presumably the others are partially counterbalancing each other too, and the whole setup may be delicate.A weight that's simply the largest of the whole may be able to throw things off, even if it's a third, a fourth, or a fifth.
That doesn't work out, at all, unless the Kyuubi was equal to all others combined: in order to balance something, you must have equal "parts". If all others had to be sealed, first, then adding in the kyuubi, then it must equal the others in order to be considered "balanced".
Doing it your way, then you could easily seal the Kyuubi at any point in time as long as you put it in the "center" of the balance. Doing it the way Kisame described it, it's the chakra itself that is balancing. There's some "leeway" apparently, because the first one has to be sealed and that would be out of balance because there's nothing else to balance.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Oh right, I forgot to reply to that post of yours. >__>Anyway, I do not think Kisame and Akatasuki knew that Minato had sealed half of the Kyuubi's chakra into the Death God, because the only ones who knew what happened were Minato, Kushina, Hiruzen, the ninja with Hiruzen, Gamatora, and of course the Kyuubi. Through Gamatora, Jiraiya & the other Toads found out. I doubt Hiruzen told anyone about the incident, except possibly his advisors (though Danzo does not seem to know).
Addressed this to another. So I'll leave this be.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Anyway, based on the balancing bit, I think the Sage divided up the Juubi's chakras sequentially, i.e.
Amount of Juubi's chakra present in a Bijuu with X tails = (1/2^[10-X])
I'm pretty sure that's asymptotic, meaning, it will never reach one unless x is infinity:
.5^1 = .5
.5^2 = .25
.5^3 = .125
.5^4 = .0625
.5^5 = 0.03125
.5 ^6 = 0.015625
.5^7 = 0.0078125
.5^ 8 = 0.00390625
.5^ 9 = 0.001953125
That doesn't add up to one.
So it's something else. Also, that would mean that that the 1 tailed beast is really really weak compared to all others. That does not bode well because it would not be much of a weapon. An average ninja would be vastly superior.
I just think the Sage split 3/4 of the chakra up in the 9 tails...then split the rest up, equally, among the other beasts. I do not see any reason to think that the Hachibi is any stronger than Shukaku: he seemed every bit as strong and devastating: he just didn't use a bijuu blast.
Originally posted by dadudemon
A shit ton of people: all of the people with Hiruzen. Kakashi...and probably all Jounin in Konoha. Add in all of the leaders.Pretty much every single person with a name in Naruto knows: half was sealed into the death god and the other half in Naruto. Even Jiraiya, who wasn't there, knew.
Well by my count, 3. Counting Jiraiya makes 4. Jiraiya knowing could easily be attributed to him housing the froggy, who was there. I can't think of anyone else who would know. No one else specifies Minato sealing half of it(that I can recall) so I'm going to assume they don't know.
Of course, if Akatsuki does know, then I could guess as to why the Kyuubi being sealed too soon would cause I disrupt of balance. We're thinking balance as chakra but what if Kisame is referring to the ol' Yin/Yang balance thing? The Kyuubi, being only Yin, would obviously throw off such a balance. Assuming that he is sealed last, it really wouldn't matter because the Juubi's power would be unlocked.
Also, tangent: Hitler ****ing called it! laughcry
Originally posted by Nephthys
Hitler called what? Did you mean to link to that page? D:
2:42.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Well by my count, 3. Counting Jiraiya makes 4. Jiraiya knowing could easily be attributed to him housing the froggy, who was there. I can't think of anyone else who would know. No one else specifies Minato sealing half of it(that I can recall) so I'm going to assume they don't know.Of course, if Akatsuki does know, then I could guess as to why the Kyuubi being sealed too soon would cause I disrupt of balance. We're thinking balance as chakra but what if Kisame is referring to the ol' Yin/Yang balance thing? The Kyuubi, being only Yin, would obviously throw off such a balance. Assuming that he is sealed last, it really wouldn't matter because the Juubi's power would be unlocked.
Also, tangent: Hitler ****ing called it! laughcry
Well, there's all the "named" characters that literally saw it happen...standing right outside the barrier.
And, I'd lean far more towards "every single named character in Konoha knows" rather than "almost no one knows...despite many named characters seeing right as it happened."
Then there's the fact that Akatsuki knew tons of shit about everything....their ranks were filled with tons of S class ninja. They should know perfectly well. Especially considering that their behind the scenes leader also knew that the Fox lost half its power (I'd like to see someone directly prove that Tobi doesn't know that the Fox was halfway sealed into the shinigami), that's makes for a very poor case that Akatsuki didn't know about the Kyuubi having only half of it's chakra. If they don't, then they were a crappy organization.
They still ended up with a demon that was still as strong as all others combined...so there's no reason to be so secretive.
Consider that the ten tails looks just like the kyuubi in it's body....I'd say that we have a good case for why the 9-tails is so strong.
I'd also like to note that Jiraiya said that the nine tails had the most chakra out of the tailed beasts at a point AFTER half of it's chakra was sealed.
Meaning, full powered Kyuubi is more than twice as strong as any single beast, without question. So at a bare minimum, the Kyuubi, full powered, is more than twice as strong as any single beast. Mixed in with the fact that it equaled the Hachibi in it's six tailed form (bijuu blasts), that makes sense.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
YouTube video2:42.
I dunno why people suck Sarutobi's dick so much. His fight with Orochimaru was pretty lame imo.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Well, there's all the "named" characters that literally saw it happen...standing right outside the barrier.And, I'd lean far more towards "every single named character in Konoha knows" rather than "almost no one knows...despite many named characters seeing right as it happened."
....?
There were 3 who were outside the barrier. No more or less are shown. Two of them I don't recognize so really only 1 named character was there, and he dead.
Unless you're suggesting that where the Kyuubi sealed him happened to be in the same place where they were keeping the kids....and nothing shows *that*. Yeah, they saw Minato port away with him but they didn't see him actually seal it.
Originally posted by Nephthys
I dunno why people suck Sarutobi's dick so much. His fight with Orochimaru was pretty lame imo.
Because Kishi hyped the ever loving shit out of him by letting Sarutobi beat 3 Kage level ninja at once while talking about how awesome he'd be in his prime.
Considering Orochimaru was clearly toying with him though, this is pretty faulty reasoning.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
....?There were 3 who were outside the barrier. No more or less are shown. Two of them I don't recognize so really only 1 named character was there, and he dead.
Unless you're suggesting that where the Kyuubi sealed him happened to be in the same place where they were keeping the kids....and nothing shows *that*. Yeah, they saw Minato port away with him but they didn't see him actually seal it.
So you think that only those in view of the panel saw it and there were no other ninja with Hiruzen that went off to seal the Kyuubi, right?
You think that...right?
Well, what about the shit ton of Shinobi right outside of the village that saw Minato port the Kyuubi?
What about the fact that Hiruzen clearly saw where they took the Kyuubi? You think everyone else is blind to a giant beast that is rampaging off in the distance?
Then it magically shrinks?
A beast made of chakra...magically shrinks. A beast clearly visible from many miles away (he vastly eclipses the buildings seen just a few scans back).
Yet, here we have Hiruzen making it to them rather quickly:
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v53/c503/18.html
Where is your evidence that it is a closely guarded secret and that no one knows about it?
You still have no direct evidence. The "three ninja" idea is complete bullshit: this is a giant mother ****in' beast! Everyone around would be able to see this beast....especially if it was within running distance of Hiruzen and two no-name ninja. In fact...a very short period of time passes because the only thing that occurs is some conversation and some chain sealing crap.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Because Kishi hyped the ever loving shit out of him by letting Sarutobi beat 3 Kage level ninja at once while talking about how awesome he'd be in his prime.Considering Orochimaru was clearly toying with him though, this is pretty faulty reasoning.
I never saw it that way:
I saw 2 resurrected Hokages that were virtual shells of their former selves...acting in very wooden (pun intended) fashions while fighting Sarutobi.
Couple that with Oro just toying with Sarutobi and you have for a situation where you have an old man without much stamina using a trump card against three decently powered...but holding back ninja.
If Oro wanted to win..he would have just hydra mode'd on Hiruzen. He toyed too much and ended up paying for it.