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So the often stated theory that Shisui is Tobi is wrong?

It's actually that Tobi is Shisui?

At first, that seems like a stupid or useless distinction, but it isn't if you think about it.

It would allow Shisui to show up into the Uchiha clan relatively invisible and then slowly grow through training.

Now, people have already stated that Shisui is Tobi and then get dashed because he was around Itachi's age. They say, "Well, Tobi was around when Itachi was just a wee little kid" destroying their point. But if you approach it form the opposite and assume Shisui was NOT the original, then, yes, we can still do the Tobi is Shisui, but approach it from the opposite angle.

That could work.

However, it's still likely that Madara is Tobi and Tobi is Madara...somehow.

Originally posted by dadudemon

However, it's still likely that Madara is Tobi and Tobi is Madara...somehow.

Unless Madara has Juinjutsu or something similar.

EDIT:
BTW, the Moon's Eye Plan is NOT part of Madara's plan.
That suggests that Tobi may be a completely different being.

Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
That wouldn't make any sense.

Unless Madara has Juinjutsu or something similar.

No, it makes sense. Mostly because that's exactly how it has been portrayed and we have nothing concrete to conclude anything but Tobi and Madara being the same person...just two physical forms.

Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
EDIT:
BTW, the Moon's Eye Plan is NOT part of Madara's plan.
That suggests that Tobi may be a completely different being.

Moon's Eye plan is part of Madara's plan. He made direct reference to it, by name: infinite Tsukyomi. And since Madara has made refernce to the "other" Madara multiple times now, they are very much aware of each other.

Or maybe Tobi...

is Bee! 😱

Originally posted by Bentley
Or maybe Tobi...

is Bee! 😱

Bee would never hide his face like a coward estahuh

Tobi is clearly...

Kakashi vin

I'm surprised more people aren't pushing the Kagami theory out personally.

I have very little confidence in the idea that Tobi is Madara at all.

Edit: I think Tobi knows Medical ninjutsu. Would explain a lot.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
I'm surprised more people aren't pushing the Kagami theory out personally.

The problem with that one is Kagami is pretty much a non-entity. He was on Danzo's team and said nothing. It might as well be a new character in that case.

Izuna's a fair bit more likely.

Oh I agree. I think Kagami being Tobi would be dumb. But it's more credible to me than Shisui.

Indeed. Would fit more. Only probably I'd have with it being Izuna is he seems far weaker than Madara, who he could apparently go toe to toe with. Madara took his eye balls but that doesn't rule out the possibility that Izuna could have gotten new ones or something to that effect.

The most interesting thing regarding Tobi is what Kabuto said about not being sure he will move as planned. Tobi and Madara have different goals perhaps?

Or he wants to try and nudge Madara towards mistrusting Tobi.

I don't really see the need to do that since he controls Madara. 😛

let's throw a new name in the hat, and this one might make you guys shit brix.

tobi is....

..... itachi and sasuke's father fugaku!

long story short he harbors all the hatred (for the senju and by extension the uchiha) and is age appropriate to fit tobi's on-panel actions, and tobi's visible age also fits a member of the older generation. fugaku was the modern leader of the anti-senju party, and what better moniker to go buy than the first and greatest separatist, madara uchiha? where did tobi get all those sharingan you ask? after the massacre of coarse, he would feel they "belong to him" after all. he could kill the members of the clan, but keep the eyes in order to implant them into anyone he wants after gaining senju dna to not only remake the clan but create an amped version of them. he also taught itachi the means to gain MS, and fireball techs.

he was shown to be killed by itachi, but that can be explained away as why he required body modifications or maybe he was the collaborator with itachi but itachi ended up striking him down after the mission but he survived only to fix the damage with zetsu meat...idunno, kishi could make it happen.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
I don't really see the need to do that since he controls Madara. 😛

Right, he "controls" (emphasis on the quotation marks) a character who wields a doujutsu that makes him shit bricks, in addition to a doujutsu that could easily entrance him. 😛

I don't think he'd be old enough for Madara to know him though.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Right, he "controls" (emphasis on the quotation marks) a character who wields a doujutsu that makes him shit bricks, in addition to a doujutsu that could easily entrance him. 😛

Si. He controls him. Itachi only got free due to a **** up . 😛

Heh, it strikes me the Senju only won because the Sharingan power-up method sucks- Madara had to give up Izuna, Hashirama got to keep Tobirama.

It's not like Tobirama was that effective anyway. But as they say there's strength in numbers.

I wonder exactly what specific power the Senju get anyway. I mean there supposed to be a tree clan yet Hashirama was the only Senju with Mokuton. I also wonder why Madara nor Danzo bothered to use Senju cells from someone not completely desecrated.....Tobirama comes to mind.

Wonder how Konoha would be if Madara won instead of Hashirama.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
I don't think he'd be old enough for Madara to know him though.

Si. He controls him. Itachi only got free due to a **** up . 😛

What happens if Tobi does end up resurrecting Madara or freeing him from Kabuto's 'control'? Better to foster mistrust in the event that you lose control, than to assume you'll always be in control. 😛
Itachi got free coz he's that ossum and on a much higher level than the others. 313

Anyway, you get the feeling that Madara helped Tobirama develop ET?

Originally posted by dadudemon
So the often stated theory that Shisui is Tobi is wrong?

It's actually that Tobi is Shisui?

At first, that seems like a stupid or useless distinction, but it isn't if you think about it.

It would allow Shisui to show up into the Uchiha clan relatively invisible and then slowly grow through training.

Now, people have already stated that Shisui is Tobi and then get dashed because he was around Itachi's age. They say, "Well, Tobi was around when Itachi was just a wee little kid" destroying their point. But if you approach it form the opposite and assume Shisui was NOT the original, then, yes, we can still do the Tobi is Shisui, but approach it from the opposite angle.

That could work.

However, it's still likely that Madara is Tobi and Tobi is Madara...somehow.

The biggest problem is that the question of "who was Tobi during his fight with Minato?" It was not the original Madara, since he displays none of his characteristic abilities. And yet, perhaps he was weakened at some point, and only with Edo Tensei regained his youthful powers? If he displayed space-time jutsu, it would give credence to this theory.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
What happens if Tobi does end up resurrecting Madara or freeing him from Kabuto's 'control'? Better to foster mistrust in the event that you lose control, than to assume you'll always be in control. 😛
Itachi got free coz he's that ossum and on a much higher level than the others. 313

Anyway, you get the feeling that Madara helped Tobirama develop ET?

His soul happens to be bound at the moment, so good luck with that. Besides, you're making Kabuto smarter than he actually is. vin
Nah. Was a **** up.

Not really. Why do you think that? His comment about Edo Tensei?

Originally posted by King Kandy
Yes, it could work for sure. However, some of his actions don't make much sense. He would have used his eyes on Yagura, only to lose one and then willingly gave it to Itachi. That doesn't really seem right, especially given how badly Tobi wanted it back.

The biggest problem is that the question of "who was Tobi during his fight with Minato?" It was not the original Madara, since he displays none of his characteristic abilities. And yet, perhaps he was weakened at some point, and only with Edo Tensei regained his youthful powers? If he displayed space-time jutsu, it would give credence to this theory.

To the first part: it is possible that he had those eyes when he fought Minato. He gave them up, later, when he left. He has been collecting eyes for a long time, apparantly. In fact, he could change out his eyes at any point as we have already seen.

To the second part: yeah, that's what I mean when "Tobi was around when Itachi was just a kid"; he attacked the village and fought Minato. It could be that shortly after that attack, he joined up?

It doesn't work because Shisui apparantly grew up with Itachi. If that occured, then we have no precedent for Tobi/Madara reverting to a child like state and then growing up.

It also doesn't make much sense as far as the characters of Tobi and Shisui go.