The Official Naruto series Thread

Originally posted by EvilAngel
You can put a pet down...

Indeed. But a comment reflecting that wouldn't be enjoyable to read.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
lol at the revelation haermm

about 2nd mizukage: he used a hozuki clan technique yes, but how does that necessarily make him a clansmen too? hiruzen can use high grade enton techniques but it didn't mean he was an uchiha before we knew what his name was

The Uchiha do not have a monopoly on fire techniques.

my point exactly

if he is a clan member so be it, but just not certain as of yet.
everyone thought bee was not only part of the yokie clan (or whatever it was called) but also the little brother of the raikage. point is we just don't know

What tends to make a technique a clan technique seems to be it's exclusivity, though.

Shadow grab, or size-change, are clan techniques that only they have. Mind-reading, on the other hand, is something the Yamanaka are great at, but not a clan technique.

Considering the technique requires the user to secrete water from their skin, and only Hozuki guys can do that, he is more likely than not a Hozuki.

I'd like to point out that at least the Kyuubi holds a decent concept of how old he is.

http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/567/9

He calls "B" a "brat". The original word used is similar to "naughty/annoying kid".

What's this stuff about power of the Bijuu not being tail dependent?

That's not true.

It is tail dependent:

http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/567/10

But this confirms another theory I already had: the biju's strength is based on their tails AND the Kyubi is MORE than twice as strong as any other Biju. Why? Because the Kyuubi is at half power yet he is still stronger than the strongest of the Biju and it IS tail dependent.

Assume everything is in a perfect ratio. Each number represents their "power level".

Shukaku - 1
Nibi - 2
Sanbi - 3
Yonbi - 4
Gobi - 5
Rokubi - 6
Nanabi - 7
Hachibi - 8
Kyubi - 9

But that's how it is, now. But let's add them up when the Kyubi is at full power.

He is an 18. The rest added up equal 36. The rest added up are roughly twice as strong as the Kyubi. This does not explain why Hashirama would sell off the biju. The Kyubi was stated to throw off the balance of the Gedo statue so it had to be sealed last. That would indicate that it is equal to all the others with just it's yang chakra (meaning, his yang chakra equals the total yin chakra of all the others making it "balanced".) So the full power kuubi should be equal to a "36" in tailed beast power levels. The half powered should be an 18.

This makes perfect sense in the context of the manga. The Gedo Statue, why Hashirama thought selling away all the tailed beasts but keeping the kyubu was fine (because it equals all the others put together at full pwoer) and why the 10-tails most resembles the Kyubi: half of the 10-tails chakra comes directly from the full powred Kyubi.

Well that is merely one translation.

http://mangastream.com/read/naruto/97848931/10

Here, Hachibi flat out says "Strength isn't determined by the number of tails one has."

Granted, I don't know which translation is more dependable. Just throwing out why everyone says that. shrug

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Well that is merely one translation.

http://mangastream.com/read/naruto/97848931/10

Here, Hachibi flat out says "Strength isn't determined by the number of tails one has."

Granted, I don't know which translation is more dependable. Just throwing out why everyone says that. shrug

The Hachibi is obviously referring to something else, NOT actual power/strength.

Kind of like the dichotomy between Danzo and Sarutobi. Despite all of Danzo's amps, Sarutobi was still stronger...and it had nothing to do with actual strength.

This is a recurring theme in Naruto, btw.

The Kyubi IS stronger than the Hachibi. However, the Hachibi does not place "strength" solely in physical ability and chakra stores: it is the bonds and need to protect loved ones.

I guess one can read it that way... But I do not.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
I guess one can read it that way... But I do not.

It is definitely not debatable that the Kyuubi has the most chakra. Jiraiya already said so of the yang-only chakra Kyubi (meaning, that a yin and yang containing Kyuubi is obviously twice as strong as any other biju and then some...since a half powered Kyubi has the most chakra out of all them). So, for me, it's obvious that both the Kyubi and the Hachibi are correct: they are just talking about different things.

In order for you to conclude what you have, you would need to ignore some information in the manga or write it off as PIS (that's fine by me and I may actually agree with you).

In order to conclude what I have, you only need to have a 9th grade understanding of literary tools.

The Kyuubi is the strongest. That is necessarily because of the number of tails. The 5 tails was able to both injure and send the 8 tails flying with one hit. The 4 tails similarly was able to toss the 8 tails. And the 1 tail is bigger and has better feats than the 2 tails.

There is a basis for reasoning that more tails does not equal more power. The Kyuubi is demonstrably stronger than the others but it might not be due to his higher number of tails.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
The Kyuubi is the strongest. That is necessarily because of the number of tails. The 5 tails was able to both injure and send the 8 tails flying with one hit. The 4 tails similarly was able to toss the 8 tails. And the 1 tail is bigger and has better feats than the 2 tails.

And the hachibi is taking on multiple biju at the same time: it should be obvious that it's going to have a tough time.

And the Kyubi is determining strength by chakra and possibly physical strength. The 2 tails very well could be physically stronger than the one tails and we know it has more chakra.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
There is a basis for reasoning that more tails does not equal more power. The Kyuubi is demonstrably stronger than the others but it might not be due to his higher number of tails.

No, actually, that's directly incorrect: more tails equals more chakra. The kyubi confuses more chakra with strength and the Hachibi does not. By one interpretation (real world), more tails is more chakra, more chakra is more power, and more power is more strength. But true strength is not just in power, alone. Remember the half a dozen speeches from Naruto? Remember Sarutobi's speech to Oro? Remember the speeches on the soon to be Naruto Bridge? Remember the whole outcome with Narutoe vs. Nagato? It all points to the same recurring theme: true strength is doing what is right, protecting loved ones, and caring for others. You know...Buddha/Jesus stuff. 😄

Originally posted by dadudemon
And the hachibi is taking on multiple biju at the same time: it should be obvious that it's going to have a tough time.

And the Kyubi is determining strength by chakra and possibly physical strength. The 2 tails very well could be physically stronger than the one tails and we know it has more chakra.

Two by themselves are giving him a difficult time.

How do we know this? 🙂

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Two by themselves are giving him a difficult time.

How do we know this? 🙂

Hachibi was knocked down and bleeding for one.

I wonder when Naruto is going to disable those clones. Cause I'd like to see a Biji Ball from the kyuubi sometime soon.

Speaking of which, I wonder why we haven't seen any Bijudama lately.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Two by themselves are giving him a difficult time.

How do we know this? 🙂

Hachibi also has the duty of protecting Naruto: something those two do not have to do.

B and the Hachibi also have used up some of their chakra in previous fights: they have not.

Their tails added together are greater than 8 tails.

So I see this is as almost direct evidence for my point and a detriment to yours.

Expand on your point and I may change my mind.

The how do we know this was directed at the statement of the 2 Tails having more chakra than the 1 Tails.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
lol at the revelation haermm

about 2nd mizukage: he used a hozuki clan technique yes, but how does that necessarily make him a clansmen too? hiruzen can use high grade enton techniques but it didn't mean he was an uchiha before we knew what his name was

Originally posted by Q99
Enton techniques aren't necessarily clan ones. The Uchiha were known for being really good at them, rather than having a monoply.

A clan technique, on the flip side, is something kept secret within the clan.

Sasuke's the only one who has used Enton techs. Though if Amaterasu is an Enton tech, then Itachi is as well.

Yes, I know you meant Katon. uhuh

intriguing. it would seem that the tail beasts will actually be coming together to fight Madara/Tobi at this rate. and I'm amazed that the kyuubi is finally beginning to think about Naruto's words to him. I would've expected to do that later.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
The how do we know this was directed at the statement of the 2 Tails having more chakra than the 1 Tails.

We sort of know that already where it says the Tanuki got/gets mad bro at the Kyubi for inferring that he is the weakest of the tailed beasts.

Sasuke's a badass. Glad he's gonna join the fight. Got a thing for the Uchiha. Can't help it. 😄

The Hachibi directly states that Shukaku got pissed at Kyuubi for essentially thinking of him as weakest because of his one tail (And Shukaku is not as nice/pseudo-philosophica as the Hachibi), in response to the Kyuubi's assertion that the Hachibi must be the second strongest due to having eight tails.

So... Hachibi is talking about actual physical strength/chakra amount, is the safest assumption.