The Official Naruto series Thread

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Well he is Kabuto's trump card after all. Since Kabuto had already used Nagato, Madara had to be even stronger. We had to be given an insanely powerful foe otherwise it would just have been another fail on Kabuto's part. If Madara didn't provide hints concerning Tobi and had some awesome moments then it might not be worth it. Madara's reveal was probably one of the best Naruto moments to be perfectly honest because it was for all intents and purposes a game changer. As for the bleakness of the odds it never bothered me personally. There have been bleaker moments than Madara showing up and killing everyone. Besides, the bleakness will hopefully make it more satisfying when he is defeated.

I think Madara just being summoned is "trump card" enough: it shows the Tobi is a liar. I thought that was the point of having Madara, to begin with?

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Well...I'm hard pressed to actually disagree. The fight between his dad was too short to be entertaining and Onoki, the fountain of exposition, took a lot of the fun out of the Mizukage battle. Also, I might be the only one here but Gaara's sand mother just looks dumb. It served a purpose when he was fighting his dad but now it's simply unnecessary. Still, if you like Gaara you'd probably like these battles. If not, skip them. I was fairly Gaara neutral walking into it and I came out disliking him personally. My two cents.

I'm mixed over Gaara. I liked him at the kage summit. But his fight with his dad was a bit lame. I did find it funny when it flung "i'm too sexy for all the ninja" Madara right out of his Susano'o.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
I will have to disagree here, for two good reasons. 1) It showed that what Kabuto was trying to do actually was working. He wanted the Edo Tensei guys to invoke a turmoil of emotions when put up against former allies. With Choji it showed that the plan was very effective. Sai and his brother simply had too much going on around them and it never gets to show much. Hiashi and Hizashi were only shown briefly. So this was the first real demonstration of that. To some Choji might come off as a baby but I liked how it was handled. And 2) It was the true culmination to Choji's story. The story of someone who had no confidence rising to the occasion and becoming a man. Choji was really the only character this story could be told with. Shikamaru had his coming of age moment before and the others are more mature than Choji. When Choji finally steps up, he does more than just beat Asuma. He effectively turned the tide of the battle. Had Asuma won, Akatsuki probably would have won the battle. Darui wouldn't be able to handle him and Kakuzu. So in a way it shows that confidence can indeed make a big difference. And it got to show off the butterfly technique, which I think was Kishi's way of calling Aizen a ****ing rip off. But that's merely how I see it. I think Choji is one of Kishi's favorite characters and he is sort of one of mine to. I might be biased but I think it would hold up on it's own anyway.

But, we already HAD that "rising to the occasion" story with Choji. In fact, the old story was better. 🙁

And I see the emotional matchups as bad ideas because they net Kabuto loses 10 out of 10 hairy times. It's like he doesn't even think.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Well, Naruto vs Mu was lame. But it was understandable why they did it. Have to get Mu out quick so that he can summon Madara. I never liked Mu anyway so hey, plus for me. Really, Naruto's fight was with the 3rd Raikage anyway. A fight I enjoyed. Naruto used teamwork, intelligence, and cleverness rather than sheer power. I like fights that end that way.

The Naruto vs. Mu fight only lasted a few pages. It wasn't spanning two chapters like Gaara's was. And, I see your point on the Raikage fight: but I am more neutral to it than irritated with it.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
It is supposed to appear like the good guys don't have a chance. Tobi is the Big Bad after all. I enjoy the fight because we finally get to see the other jinchuriki in action. And we're being showed more concerning the Bijuu and the Kyuubi is getting some development. I don't see this fight ending well for the good guys mind you but I see a good fight here nonetheless.

I see. Yes, I do enjoy the development of the Kyubi. I just wish it wouldn't occur in such a sappy manner.

What if... Tobi never lied at all, and everything people have said that contradicts that is a lie?

Originally posted by dadudemon
I think Madara just being summoned is "trump card" enough: it shows the Tobi is a liar. I thought that was the point of having Madara, to begin with?

That was part of it. But if Madara hadn't fought, all that would have changed would be what they call Tobi. Not really much of a game changer. Remember, Tobi was not adverse to the idea of fighting Kabuto. It just would have weakened him considerably. And now we know why.

Originally posted by dadudemon
But, we already HAD that "rising to the occasion" story with Choji. In fact, the old story was better. 🙁

And I see the emotional matchups as bad ideas because they net Kabuto loses 10 out of 10 hairy times. It's like he doesn't even think.

Well....kinda sorta. Choji didn't really kick Jirobi's ass because he grew up or anything. He was just doing it because Jirobi flat out pissed him off. The dilemma there wasn't a emotional one so much as logical. Choji did not want to use the red pill because it would kill him. The decision to use the pill was based on necessity and anger rather than moral understanding of his duty. As of the Pain invasion, Choji is still very much a child when it comes to his duty.

Not like he has any drive to win though. The only lose I see him really regretting was the one with Nagato. I think he is mostly just killing time until he can get Naruto and find Sasuke.

Edit: Of course it could be Kishi's way of saying no ninjutsu is above emotions and character. Would be consistent with the "Stfu Ninja Ideals" theme he has going on.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
That was part of it. But if Madara hadn't fought, all that would have changed would be what they call Tobi. Not really much of a game changer.

Tsunade disagrees.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Well....kinda sorta. Choji didn't really kick Jirobi's ass because he grew up or anything. He was just doing it because Jirobi flat out pissed him off. The dilemma there wasn't a emotional one so much as logical. Choji did not want to use the red pill because it would kill him. The decision to use the pill was based on necessity and anger rather than moral understanding of his duty. As of the Pain invasion, Choji is still very much a child when it comes to his duty.

I disagree. Choji used the pill because of his sense of "duty" as a ninja. He got over his cowardice and fought his enemy like a man.

I never got how Madara was some great symbol of fear to the world. I don't think the Shinobi Alliance gave people that much briefing on Madara and there hasn't been much time for the word to get around yet or to actually witness his evil. Even when the real Madara was revealed people were just like 'Wait, Madara? Isn't that the name of the guy we're fighting?' They didn;t seem to really know who he was and they weren't actually scared that of him or anything.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Tsunade disagrees.

I disagree. Choji used the pill because of his sense of "duty" as a ninja. He got over his cowardice and fought his enemy like a man.

Tobi agrees. Whether he was really Madara or not was rather negligible. He still had to be stopped.

Here the stakes were far larger, the opponent much more personal(and more powerful) and the rising was far more grand.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I never got how Madara was some great symbol of fear to the world. I don't think the Shinobi Alliance gave people that much briefing on Madara and there hasn't been much time for the word to get around yet or to actually witness his evil. Even when the real Madara was revealed people were just like 'Wait, Madara? Isn't that the name of the guy we're fighting?' They didn;t seem to really know who he was and they weren't actually scared that of him or anything.

Madara is a scary guy. He was the leader of the most feared clan in the world. And my guess as to why his abilities weren't debriefed...they were. Onoki was doing it while they were fighting. Onoki was also quite clearly afraid. 😛

Well Madara should've died over 70-80 years ago. So it's understandable for his strength/intimidation to be nigh mythical.

In terms of war battles I rather liked Hanzo vs Mifune myself even though Hanzo was completely gimped IMO.

I also like the Mizukage's clam chaos and Mu being a dick 🙂.

Man, get rid of that Mu guy and we have a lot in common.

Though my only problem with Mu is his downright balance breaking powers. Mu himself is fairly funny.

C'mon he's an invisible mummy who was given the honnor to be killed by the Mizukage.

Even if he powers are broken as hell he still managed to hold off two Kages which I can respect.

I really want Madara to kick the Kages asses despite not caring for Madara himself.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Tobi agrees. Whether he was really Madara or not was rather negligible. He still had to be stopped.

Here the stakes were far larger, the opponent much more personal(and more powerful) and the rising was far more grand.

Tobi is a known liar and his use of Madara's name worked to scare the shit out of everyone into war so he could get his hands on the last two Biju (everything seems to be going in his favor at the moment). His plan worked wonderfully and we know Tobi is lying when he says he doesn't care what people call him. Else he use the name of Madara to begin with? AHA!

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Madara is a scary guy. He was the leader of the most feared clan in the world. And my guess as to why his abilities weren't debriefed...they were.

I think the Senju were the most feared. uhuh

Originally posted by dadudemon
Tobi is a known liar and his use of Madara's name worked to scare the shit out of everyone into war so he could get his hands on the last two Biju (everything seems to be going in his favor at the moment). His plan worked wonderfully and we know Tobi is lying when he says he doesn't care what people call him. Else he use the name of Madara to begin with? AHA!

I think the Senju were the most feared. uhuh

Ah, that is the million dollar question isn't it? Getting Akatsuki to follow him using the name Madara makes sense. He didn't need it after he got the 7 Bijuu. So why keep it? Especially when his plan seemed to be reviving Madara. What does he stand to gain?

Oh yes, the clan that plans to kill with the power of love. 313

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Ah, that is the million dollar question isn't it? Getting Akatsuki to follow him using the name Madara makes sense. He didn't need it after he got the 7 Bijuu. So why keep it? Especially when his plan seemed to be reviving Madara. What does he stand to gain?

His plan may not include reviving Madara...I think what Madara is saying versus what Tobi is saying are not matching. Madara may not be referring to Tobi each time, too.

Remember Tobi shit himself when he saw Madara? So I think Tobi just lied to Madara. "Suuuuuure, bro. I'll revive you with my rinnegan."

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Oh yes, the clan that plans to kill with the power of love. 313

My bad. I thought it was the best control over the biju, insane amounts of chakra levels, high levels of strength, and master planning. 😄

Originally posted by dadudemon
His plan may not include reviving Madara...I think what Madara is saying versus what Tobi is saying are not matching. Madara may not be referring to Tobi each time, too.

Remember Tobi shit himself when he saw Madara? So I think Tobi just lied to Madara. "Suuuuuure, bro. I'll revive you with my rinnegan."

My bad. I thought it was the best control over the biju, insane amounts of chakra levels, high levels of strength, and master planning. 😄

http://www.mangareader.net/93-458-17/naruto/chapter-453.html

He was planning to have Nagato use Rinne Tensei on someone. Madara planned to be revived by someone named Nagato. Signs point in that direction.

Well, it was probably because Madara had been revived by someone other than Tobi, via Edo Tensei. And it might have been too early to revive Madara.

Nah. Only one had Bijuu power, all the Uchiha had insane chakra levels, had high levels of strength, and sharingan to see through all plans.

Originally posted by dadudemon
His plan may not include reviving Madara...I think what Madara is saying versus what Tobi is saying are not matching. Madara may not be referring to Tobi each time, too.

Remember Tobi shit himself when he saw Madara? So I think Tobi just lied to Madara. "Suuuuuure, bro. I'll revive you with my rinnegan."

My bad. I thought it was the best control over the biju, insane amounts of chakra levels, high levels of strength, and master planning. 😄

So Uchiha then.
Because it is Hashirama, not the Senju, that meets what you've stated. 131

Originally posted by Nephthys
I never got how Madara was some great symbol of fear to the world. I don't think the Shinobi Alliance gave people that much briefing on Madara and there hasn't been much time for the word to get around yet or to actually witness his evil. Even when the real Madara was revealed people were just like 'Wait, Madara? Isn't that the name of the guy we're fighting?' They didn;t seem to really know who he was and they weren't actually scared that of him or anything.

I like how they all shat their pants when they saw the meteor.

How did Madara know about Nagato? Wasn't he dead way before Nagato was even born?

People (Aura) think Nagato is Tobi's real name. I think Madara might have actually met Nagato.

Based on his appearance, yes. Kabuto went and ****ed that up though with the whole "special" Edot Tensei that makes him better than he was in his prime. Based on this, we can't guess when he died.

Dumbass should have modified as many Edo Tensei'd ninja as he could have. Imagine all of them walking around with a Sharingan and/or a Rinnegan. awesome

Madara would have had to have been about 100 to have met Nagato when he had the rinnengan.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Dumbass should have modified as many Edo Tensei'd ninja as he could have. Imagine all of them walking around with a Sharingan and/or a Rinnegan. awesome

Yeah...

Imagine Mu like that.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Madara would have had to have been about 100 to have met Nagato when he had the rinnengan.

A little older maybe but yeah. Madara is the same age as Hashirama, who's granddaughter was an adult when Nagato had the Rinnegan. So, great grandfather age.