The Official Naruto series Thread

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
She grabbed his leg. Can see it better in the anime.

Then why did he want her to surrender? awesome

Edit: Er, nevermind. She grabbed his left arm. My bad. Memory of that scene was not good.

Nej did and didn't want to fight Hinata. Of course he wanted to make Hiashi suffer. Hinata is a part of the main branch so attacking her would be not unlike attacking Hiashi directly. Very satisfying.

But he is also aware that Hinata is shy and withdrawn, and at this particular time not really a good kunoichi. No one with self respect wants to fight someone they think of a weakling. Goes against their honour. By surrendering, though he has no satisfaction of inflicting harm, he still beats the house hold without having to beat up a frail girl. As a benefit the act of forfeiting would be a direct acknowledgement that Hinata views Neji as so superior to herself that it's not even worth trying. A different kind, but all very satisfying.

Of course that's not perfect, but that's pretty much it.

Still fairly reasonable. And probably more in character with Neji.

He should have fought Hanabi and gotten his ass handed to him.

Edit: Question time!

What fight during this war did you particularly like/dislike? Why?

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Still fairly reasonable. And probably more in character with Neji.

He should have fought Hanabi and gotten his ass handed to him.

Edit: Question time!

What fight during this war did you particularly like/dislike? Why?

I disliked the fight against the Brothers. Because; First of all, surviving being eaten by the Nine-Tails..... Secondly it felt like OTT. They have tailed beast power, and several items that were just ridiculous. Then in the get Samui gets sucked in. I was interested in her, seemed like a no nonsense ninja chick. First one ever in fact =\

I also disliked the Itachi / Nagato fight. Personally Itachi became lame once he was labeled a good guy. But at least his story felt complete. Now it's up in the air again, a patch of air I have no taste for so I just see this being kinda lame. I'll admit it was cool how he released himself from Kabuto's control, but then can't Kabuto just cancel the technique on him? Or is this finally the 'weakness' of this jutsu? Only time will tell I guess.

I like the real Madara fight. Finally a ninja who is so powerful just thinking of how his fights would go gives me goosebumps. He's not done anything so far where I'm thinking.... laaame.

That's all that comes to mind for now.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
She grabbed his leg. Can see it better in the anime.

Spoiler:
thanks for clearing that up...I honestly didn't know

Yeah...can't forget about those deadly legs of his. Someone should tell Kishi that it is called the "gentlefist style" not the "gentlefoot style". Actually, there probably is a gentlefoot style but it is for jacking off dudes wit your feet.* 😆 😆 😆

Oh Kishi...

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Then why did he want her to surrender? awesome

Because in Japanese culture, surrendering to your enemy is the absolute worst thing that can happen to you as far as your honor is concerned. The entire point of Neji's plan is to get her honor to be shat upon so he can claim himself to be superior (while knowing he can never be superior because he believed in the "fate" thing at the time). If he gets her to surrender, he wins it the absolute best possible way.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Edit: Er, nevermind. She grabbed his left arm. My bad. Memory of that scene was not good.

Doesn't matter...still better than what I could make out in that scene.

* I just recently found out that some dudes have this foot fetish thing. They have asian chicks jack them off with their feet. Yes, I am that behind with all the weird fetishes out there but I think it's borderline pathetic and definitely hilarious.

Originally posted by EvilAngel
I disliked the fight against the Brothers. Because; First of all, surviving being eaten by the Nine-Tails..... Secondly it felt like OTT. They have tailed beast power, and several items that were just ridiculous. Then in the get Samui gets sucked in. I was interested in her, seemed like a no nonsense ninja chick. First one ever in fact =\

I also disliked the Itachi / Nagato fight. Personally Itachi became lame once he was labeled a good guy. But at least his story felt complete. Now it's up in the air again, a patch of air I have no taste for so I just see this being kinda lame. I'll admit it was cool how he released himself from Kabuto's control, but then can't Kabuto just cancel the technique on him? Or is this finally the 'weakness' of this jutsu? Only time will tell I guess.

I can agree with those. Yeah we haven't gotten to see much of Samui. Pity. Never gonna be as awesome as Chiyo mind you but she had potential. And I hated the brothers. Their whole gimmick was stupid.

You forgot to complain about the part where the fight was basically designed to show how awesome Itachi is. Like we didn't know that already.

My favorite fight of the war might actually have been Hanzo vs Mifune. It cleansed the series of the fail that is Danzo. How it pleased me.

Incorrect: that's exactly what it implies. It either rapidly ages the cells (by destroying the integrity of the telomeres), greatly increases the chance that they cells will be cancerous, or produces cells that can no longer divide but become toxic. OR...the alternative, it creates perfectly good cells (hey, it's healing...not "do some temporary patching that may kill the person via cancer in the next few years"😉 which allows allows for immortality. Give me some more credit: I thought this one through much more so than my other moments of why Kishi wrote PIS.

Option three: It creates new cells at the same 'age' as the old cells. Thus the new cells created will die of old age at the same time as their original counterparts.

Also, even if new cells, that doesn't grant immortality, because it's just a small patch of new cells here, another there... without replacing old ones, it doesn't change the body's overall death time, and replacing too many of the body's cells may be beyond their capability.

You did think this through, but quite often even when something should hypothetically allow something to happen (like immortality), there may be practical problems involves that make it not the case.

Of course Naruto didn't take a death blow: he revived his shit with a massive amount of kyubi chakra. But that same blow/s supposedly almost killed Hinata: she would have died in mere minutes without immediate medical ninjutsu (as stated on panel). But it should kill most other people. That's what I meant by "death blow".

No, with Hinata he did several organ strikes that he didn't do against Naruto.

Against Naruto he just did the 'shut down your chakra system' thing and one more strike.

He did think what he did was sufficient, and would've proceeded with the rest if Naruto continued.

Originally posted by dadudemon
* I just recently found out that some dudes have this foot fetish thing. They have asian chicks jack them off with their feet. Yes, I am that behind with all the weird fetishes out there but I think it's borderline pathetic and definitely hilarious.

You only just found out about this? Lol.

And nah, alot of people have foot fetishes. Its one of the most common really.

Originally posted by Q99
Option three: It creates new cells at the same 'age' as the old cells. Thus the new cells created will die of old age at the same time as their original counterparts.

This is just supporting option 1: immortality.

Why? Just get some cells from the person when they are young and then use the technique to regrow new everything for the person. (That's almost exactly how they propose we become biologically immortal: keep replicating perfectly healthy and "young" cells to replace the old aging ones). It now becomes rather silly that everyone is not immortal in Naruto if we assume that path.

However, Senju cells seem to already do this to an extent. .. so that "option 3 combined with option 1" is not far off the mark.

hmm

Originally posted by Q99
Also, even if new cells, that doesn't grant immortality, because it's just a small patch of new cells here, another there... without replacing old ones, it doesn't change the body's overall death time, and replacing too many of the body's cells may be beyond their capability.

Actually, it does change the "body's" death time. We age because our cells lose the ability to replicate themselves through cell division. They just stagnate and die through wear and tear. If you can constantly replicate "parallel" cells, all you have to do is get some cells for each person and freeze them. Then replicate them every time you want to make a new person. Since the old cells can't replicate, they are quickly replaced with the far younger cells (the body's immune system also breaks down but this is solved by introducing new bone marrow cells). Based on the gene therapy documents I have read, you only have to replace about 20% of the cells to achieve the desired outcome (because the new cells would be more robust and quickly replace the old ones in a few generations). The delivery method is already there (a virus delivers the payload) and some people have already used gene therapy. This is the premise of why we ended up with the "I Am Legand" scenario in the movie: gene therapy. (The virus delivers the genetic payload to certain cells. Then it replaces the genes in those cells with the new information. Instead of delivering a change in their genetic makeup, just deliver their "younger" genes to the same cells those renewing the ability to divide again with younger healthier cells.)

Originally posted by Q99
You did think this through, but quite often even when something should hypothetically allow something to happen (like immortality), there may be practical problems involves that make it not the case.

Kishimoto did get some things right concerning the real medical science: rebirth and the tailed beast rapid regen age the person. That is exactly what it should do.

Originally posted by Q99
No, with Hinata he did several organ strikes that he didn't do against Naruto.

Really? Cause we only saw the one: the heart thing. Neji did that to Naruto, too. And he cut off ALL of Naruto's chakra points. Neji did more against Naruto than he did Hinata.

Originally posted by Q99
Against Naruto he just did the 'shut down your chakra system' thing and one more strike.

He also struck Naruto's heart. I think he did it twice, actually. BRB in like 20 minutes.

Originally posted by Q99
He did think what he did was sufficient, and would've proceeded with the rest if Naruto continued.

He thought he KO'd Naruto but Naruto did the Hinata thing against him...(rather, Hinata did the Naruto thing and Naruto showed Neji where she got it from)

Originally posted by dadudemon
[spoiler]

* I just recently found out that some dudes have this foot fetish thing. They have asian chicks jack them off with their feet. Yes, I am that behind with all the weird fetishes out there but I think it's borderline pathetic and definitely hilarious.

Well I'm not asian but I was with someone who wanted me to do this....It's actually really damn hard to do. I think it ended with my accident-prone kicking him in a place where men aren't to be kicked....

Odd times.

This is just supporting option 1: immortality.

Why? Just get some cells from the person when they are young and then use the technique to regrow new everything for the person. (That's almost exactly how they propose we become biologically immortal: keep replicating perfectly healthy and "young" cells to replace the old aging ones). It now becomes rather silly that everyone is not immortal in Naruto if we assume that path.

Uh, no. I'm saying that they may new cells that still have the same lifespan left as the old ones.

If you replace cells that can only divide for 20 years with new ones that have the same 20 years in them, you don't add any more time.

You only get a lengthened life span if you can replace cells with ones that are healthy and can divide more times than the original.

If you can constantly replicate "parallel" cells, all you have to do is get some cells for each person and freeze them. Then replicate them every time you want to make a new person. Since the old cells can't replicate, they are quickly replaced with the far younger cells (the body's immune system also breaks down but this is solved by introducing new bone marrow cells). Based on the gene therapy documents I have read, you only have to replace about 20% of the cells to achieve the desired outcome (because the new cells would be more robust and quickly replace the old ones in a few generations).

But that isn't something we know the ninja being capable of.

They don't have good gene therapy, and their attempts to do genetic stuff tends to be very hit-and-miss in general (with Yamato being the only 'success' at all, and that seems as much chance as anything else).

I'd suspect they'd likely kill people the majority of the time if they tried this sort of thing, and of course you need to do it occasionally to keep someone young.

Also, that'd only be useful for people who they have good young cell samples of, which not many would have.

There's probably a lot of implementation problems even once someone works out the theory of how to do it.

Originally posted by Q99
Uh, no. I'm saying that they may new cells that still have the same lifespan left as the old ones.

I know you are. This is why you get some cells from when they are young and then use those to replicate from to create an immortal person. Parallel, right?

Originally posted by Q99
If you replace cells that can only divide for 20 years with new ones that have the same 20 years in them, you don't add any more time.

You only get a lengthened life span if you can replace cells with ones that are healthy and can divide more times than the original.

Not if you save some cells from when you are at your peak. Then only replicate from those and continually preserve them. Actually, you'd only need the contents of a healthy cell. Just replicate a few of those and freeze them all. then rejuvenate from what you have in storage. Constantly replace them, of course...and be quick so it doesn't divide when you retrieve a sample to replenish your aged cells.

Originally posted by Q99
But that isn't something we know the ninja being capable of.

They don't have good gene therapy, and their attempts to do genetic stuff tends to be very hit-and-miss in general (with Yamato being the only 'success' at all, and that seems as much chance as anything else).

I'd suspect they'd likely kill people the majority of the time if they tried this sort of thing, and of course you need to do it occasionally to keep someone young.

I don't think they have any gene therapy. It looks like their entire plan is to just replicate existing cells (senju cells). That works fine, of course. That's still better than anything we can do today, actually.

But that's more than enough. But it only requires healthy cells to do.

Originally posted by Q99
Also, that'd only be useful for people who they have good young cell samples of, which not many would have.

Since "immortality" of strong ninja would be a really really handy thing to have, it's very easy to put two and two together: "Hey, I can quickly replicate cells. Why don't we get small samples from ourselves when we are at our peak health and then constantly replicate new cells/growth from those to keep ourselves young and healthy for as long as we can stay alive?"

However, I have changed my original point.

My original point was: they can make themselves immortal or they are aging themselves. After reading over the medical nin stuff, they are just aging themselves by rapidly generating cellular growth. That's obvious. However, there is still another way: generate all new issue growth from a saved sample from when they were at their peak...problem solved. Immortality.

Also, I'm reading some of the old stuff, again. Man, the old stuff is just so much more awesome than what we are reading now. I just read the Neji Hinata fight. Much more exciting and awesome. Why? It feels like Kishi has gotten stagnant. Why did that fight seem more awesome than the stuff we are reading now? WHY? What is it about his old way of telling stories that I like more?

Originally posted by EvilAngel
Well I'm not asian but I was with someone who wanted me to do this....It's actually really damn hard to do. I think it ended with my accident-prone kicking him in a place where men aren't to be kicked....

Odd times.

That's both crazy and gross. Some dudes. Why can't they be satisfied with the regular ol' vagina?

Here's strike to Naruto's heart:

http://www.mangareader.net/93-108-3/naruto/chapter-103.html

He bleeds from his mouth just like Hinata:

http://www.mangareader.net/93-108-7/naruto/chapter-103.html

Alas, 64 chakra points were pressed on Naruto: more than Hinata. I would say that Naruto is potentially in a worse situation due to his chakra points being pressed on more places other than his heart.

I thought it was twice because I forgot that one of the ones that got its heart struck was a shadow clone.

But it does show that all of Naruto's chakra points were closed, here: http://www.mangareader.net/93-108-16/naruto/chapter-103.html

That should be life threatening in the most severe way possible. The chakra works with the internal organs and attaches to all of them: Naruto had no chakra flowing. He was a walking dead man and Neji thought the fight was over.

Edit -

http://www.mangareader.net/93-110-19/naruto/chapter-105.html

Oh shit! 🙁 Got a little choked up when the Main Head bowed in respect to Neji. Shit.... 🙁 This is not supposed to happen to a tough guy like me. 🙁

Originally posted by dadudemon
That's both crazy and gross. Some dudes. Why can't they be satisfied with the regular ol' vagina?

Most people have a fetish of some sort. I know a girl who can only climax if she's in control. I knew a guy who liked to be hurt, and another who liked to be spoken to in a particular way. (I wasn't with these. Despite what a certain individual may believe I don't actually get off from hurting someone =p )

I don't think fetish's are rare at all. Some are just more widely accepted than others. Anal for example, or boob-jobs.

Anyway, I wonder if we're steering off-topic with this particular line of conversation.... =o

Originally posted by EvilAngel
Most people have a fetish of some sort. I know a girl who can only climax if she's in control. I knew a guy who liked to be hurt, and another who liked to be spoken to in a particular way. (I wasn't with these. Despite what a certain individual may believe I don't actually get off from hurting someone =p )

I don't think fetish's are rare at all. Some are just more widely accepted than others. Anal for example, or boob-jobs.

Anyway, I wonder if we're steering off-topic with this particular line of conversation.... =o

I'm cool with most fetishes. It is the weird ones (like getting jacked off from an chick with only her feet) that I find weird. My fetish is a girl getting off (for real...not faking it). That's a fairly harmless fetish from what I can tell. The role play stuff: meh...fairly common. A girl in control? Meh...common.

I know a chick that gets her best jollies when she is being semi-raped: the less in control and the rougher, the better her experience. That's pushing it...but she says they use a safe word (and he does not feel comfortable doing that rape roleplay...but does it because he loves her).

Now wait a minute. How did we get into rape talk from Naruto? I'm moving this to the Anime/Manga social thread.

edit - I moved the talk here to keep us out of trouble from going off topic:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=504518&pagenumber=19#post13650426

Most of the socializing takes place in here anyway. The most active thread usually. 😛

Anyone else think of fights from the war that they liked/disliked? Why?

I liked the fight with Nagato. Well, I pretty much have not liked any of the fights, to be honest. Naruto's WTF PWN with the giant frog summon and his mini rasenshuriken was pretty cool. So that one too.

Well, I also liked it when the two SA nins were shitting themselves over the magnet release dude and then Naruto just pops in and WTF PWNs that dude in one panel. That was awesome, too.

I WANTED to see Kakashi go on his rampge. I hate Kishi for not allowing us to see that. He may have made a deal with the Anime production house. Not joking: I think Kishi and other big name manga writers do that at times.

Why have you not liked any of the fights you Naruto fanboy you? uhuh

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Why have you not liked any of the fights you Naruto fanboy you? uhuh

Well, the Itachi reveal was pretty big.

The Madara bullshit was bullshit. Kishi wrote him as too powerful. So lame. We already knew it was the real Madara in that coffin (I called, damnit!) so that wasn't a surprise. But the shock was when his Rinnegan techs were like 10 times what Nagato's were. LAME! Nagato was already super OP. So OP that he made even top level Jonin look like crap (Jiraiya, Kakashi...blah). And now Madara steps everything up to a new level. It was irritating. Gave us too much of a sense of bleakness. But, we have to have it because the 5 kages have to fight SOMETHING. And the 5 kages would have to fight an incredibly powerful opponent in order for that to mean anything.

Bu no fight has been enjoyable..except for the Naruto WTF PWNs. The one awesome fight that would have been great was Kakashi's rampage. Naruto's little flashes don't count.

Gaara's? Shit. So lame and stupid. Choji's thing against the bad guys? LAME! We've already HAD that damn story with Choji. Ino shika cho working together to overcome an obstacle? We've already HAD that damn story too (for me, at least). Naruto vs. Mu? We've already had the "Naruto flies in to WTF pwn" story like 3 times prior to that. Naruto mass shadow cloning with his bigass rasengans was pretty cool against Madara's wood release (yes, homo) but it's still more of the same WTF PWNing we have seen from Naruto.

And now this whole fight with Tobi is kind of lame. I keep expecting something...just something...but it feels like something is missing from it. More like it just seems so bleak that they don't have a chance. Yet, they somehow still have a chance. That, or Naruto should be uberly pwning them with his ultra fast mode but isn't. Lame. I dunno...Itachi's awesomeness made up for most of this. I actually started to like Itachi because of how awesome he is (yeah, it took over 500 chapters for me to start liking Itachi...but it happened).

What about you? Thoughts on this? Are you able to convince me that maybe I did like it more than I think but I just don't know why it is awesome, yet? (I promise to keep an open mind: I'll change my ways if you provide good reasons for me to like the stuff more).

Power inflation is my main issue with the manga, and second place goes to how Kishi shelves characters he developed early on that were more interesting than the title character"s" (it's sasuke's manga too) for some grand tapestry plot that will tie the entirety of everything post-rikkudou together.

Kishi wants to be hideous kojima sooo bad

Originally posted by dadudemon
The Madara bullshit was bullshit. Kishi wrote him as too powerful. So lame. We already knew it was the real Madara in that coffin (I called, damnit!) so that wasn't a surprise. But the shock was when his Rinnegan techs were like 10 times what Nagato's were. LAME! Nagato was already super OP. So OP that he made even top level Jonin look like crap (Jiraiya, Kakashi...blah). And now Madara steps everything up to a new level. It was irritating. Gave us too much of a sense of bleakness. But, we have to have it because the 5 kages have to fight SOMETHING. And the 5 kages would have to fight an incredibly powerful opponent in order for that to mean anything.

Well he is Kabuto's trump card after all. Since Kabuto had already used Nagato, Madara had to be even stronger. We had to be given an insanely powerful foe otherwise it would just have been another fail on Kabuto's part. If Madara didn't provide hints concerning Tobi and had some awesome moments then it might not be worth it. Madara's reveal was probably one of the best Naruto moments to be perfectly honest because it was for all intents and purposes a game changer. As for the bleakness of the odds it never bothered me personally. There have been bleaker moments than Madara showing up and killing everyone. Besides, the bleakness will hopefully make it more satisfying when he is defeated.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Gaara's? Shit. So lame and stupid.

Well...I'm hard pressed to actually disagree. The fight between his dad was too short to be entertaining and Onoki, the fountain of exposition, took a lot of the fun out of the Mizukage battle. Also, I might be the only one here but Gaara's sand mother just looks dumb. It served a purpose when he was fighting his dad but now it's simply unnecessary. Still, if you like Gaara you'd probably like these battles. If not, skip them. I was fairly Gaara neutral walking into it and I came out disliking him personally. My two cents.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Choji's thing against the bad guys? LAME! We've already HAD that damn story with Choji. Ino shika cho working together to overcome an obstacle? We've already HAD that damn story too (for me, at least).

I will have to disagree here, for two good reasons. 1) It showed that what Kabuto was trying to do actually was working. He wanted the Edo Tensei guys to invoke a turmoil of emotions when put up against former allies. With Choji it showed that the plan was very effective. Sai and his brother simply had too much going on around them and it never gets to show much. Hiashi and Hizashi were only shown briefly. So this was the first real demonstration of that. To some Choji might come off as a baby but I liked how it was handled. And 2) It was the true culmination to Choji's story. The story of someone who had no confidence rising to the occasion and becoming a man. Choji was really the only character this story could be told with. Shikamaru had his coming of age moment before and the others are more mature than Choji. When Choji finally steps up, he does more than just beat Asuma. He effectively turned the tide of the battle. Had Asuma won, Akatsuki probably would have won the battle. Darui wouldn't be able to handle him and Kakuzu. So in a way it shows that confidence can indeed make a big difference. And it got to show off the butterfly technique, which I think was Kishi's way of calling Aizen a ****ing rip off. But that's merely how I see it. I think Choji is one of Kishi's favorite characters and he is sort of one of mine to. I might be biased but I think it would hold up on it's own anyway.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Naruto vs. Mu? We've already had the "Naruto flies in to WTF pwn" story like 3 times prior to that. Naruto mass shadow cloning with his bigass rasengans was pretty cool against Madara's wood release (yes, homo) but it's still more of the same WTF PWNing we have seen from Naruto.

Well, Naruto vs Mu was lame. But it was understandable why they did it. Have to get Mu out quick so that he can summon Madara. I never liked Mu anyway so hey, plus for me. Really, Naruto's fight was with the 3rd Raikage anyway. A fight I enjoyed. Naruto used teamwork, intelligence, and cleverness rather than sheer power. I like fights that end that way.

Originally posted by dadudemon
And now this whole fight with Tobi is kind of lame. I keep expecting something...just something...but it feels like something is missing from it. More like it just seems so bleak that they don't have a chance. Yet, they somehow still have a chance. That, or Naruto should be uberly pwning them with his ultra fast mode but isn't. Lame. I dunno...Itachi's awesomeness made up for most of this. I actually started to like Itachi because of how awesome he is (yeah, it took over 500 chapters for me to start liking Itachi...but it happened).

It is supposed to appear like the good guys don't have a chance. Tobi is the Big Bad after all. I enjoy the fight because we finally get to see the other jinchuriki in action. And we're being showed more concerning the Bijuu and the Kyuubi is getting some development. I don't see this fight ending well for the good guys mind you but I see a good fight here nonetheless.