The Official Naruto series Thread

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Of course it is, finally something happens after this fight has dragged on for no reason

Actually, there's been pretty concrete goals in the fight and knowledge gained progressively, stuff like the location of the rods, and the defeat in detail of one of them.

It's not just mindless clashing, stuff has been happening and progressing things during the fight, with purpose.

To top it all all Kakashi and Gai haven't had the crap beaten out of them; they don't have to die for that especially with the odds against them.

They're down to their suicide- trump cards, if that says anything. If they'd actually been hit that'd be really bad for either, any hit from Biju are massive and potentially fatal, but they aren't in great shape in any case.

If Kishi can excecute it right, which he probably will, then I guess it'll make this chapter worth it However I was not digging Naruto's uberness even before the full transformation.

Yea, but there's quite a difference between not liking it because you don't like high-power in general (a legitimate reason), and not liking it because it's spontaneous (it wasn't), it didn't have groundwork (it had a ton), or there won't be anything that can challenge him (there are multiple known foes who can).

If you don't like high power, that's fine, you can leave it at that.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I never got why people constantly moan about 'its too DBZ'. I thought people like DBZ.

You guys are just grumpy assholes.

I preferred Naruto when it wasn't about who could make the super biggest explosions by firing lasers out of their dicks personally.

DBZ-style fights worked with DBZ because Toriyama worked hard to make them visually visually exciting and appealing, which Kishimoto clearly is not as able to do. This reminds me of Buso Renkin, when the mangaka was parodying the DBZ style of high-paced fights, only to discover to his surprise how difficult it was to make that kind of fight look supar cool.

Seriously, this is a pretty big case of power creep, and Naruto has been doing it for a while.

I remember when Kage level ninjutsu was shit like ****ing shingle shuriken. 😐

Originally posted by Q99
Actually, there's been pretty concrete goals in the fight and knowledge gained progressively, stuff like the location of the rods, and the defeat in detail of one of them.

It's not just mindless clashing, stuff has been happening and progressing things during the fight, with purpose.

The jinchuruki fight was good but I'm focusing more on the main biju fight where things kind of started to drag on especially when Kakashi and Gai showed up.

Originally posted by Q99
They're down to their suicide- trump cards, if that says anything. If they'd actually been hit that'd be really bad for either, any hit from Biju are massive and potentially fatal, but they aren't in great shape in any case.

Originally posted by Q99
Yea, but there's quite a difference between not liking it because you don't like high-power in general (a legitimate reason), and not liking it because it's spontaneous (it wasn't), it didn't have groundwork (it had a ton), or there won't be anything that can challenge him (there are multiple known foes who can).

There are only two people at this point that can challenge Naruto, not counting Sasuke, assuming his progress only increases; and those two people could be beaten with reasonable precausions, well not solo'd of course. Naruto on the other hand appears to be invincible and he knows it, which is what I don't like. I've said it before but I can accept this better than his encounter with the Zetsu and it did have ground-work.

Originally posted by NemeBro
I remember when Kage level ninjutsu was shit like ****ing shingle shuriken. 😐

anyway, this new mode thing can't be permanent, sasuke's already looking pretty bad as it is considering all the shit naruto has been doing as of late prior to his new god-mode cheat code. sasuke can't be more powerful than madara, unless kishi pulls something out of his gaping ass...again....

I'll note Hiruzen using a death-god that eats souls and a monkey that turns into Goku's power poll.

And the giant summons, of which we saw the first even before the Hiruzen fight.

Kage-level jutsu were pretty impressive pretty fast. It's just they also could do smaller stuff like the shadow clone shuriken.

Originally posted by Astner
Killing off characters has nothing to do with trolling the fans.

Read my post again because my reply to this is the same thing you quoted:

"Kakashi is one of the most liked characters in Naruto (top 1 or 2, overall). It would be bad form for Kishimoto to kill him off.

Unless, of course, he's trying to troll his fans for the lulz."

Originally posted by Astner
Deaths that are executed well are mostly beneficial to the story told, and they can immortalize the character in a sense. Take Jiraiya.

And Jiraiya was not a top 1 or 2 character.

You may not be old enough to remember the outcry and rage over the "killing" of Superman, but I am.

There's only so much you can do before killing off the favorite (or top character) is going to do. It would be a very bad marketing idea, as well.

Or did you forget that this was about money?

Originally posted by Q99
I'll note Hiruzen using a death-god that eats souls and a monkey that turns into Goku's power poll.

And the giant summons, of which we saw the first even before the Hiruzen fight.

Kage-level jutsu were pretty impressive pretty fast. It's just they also could do smaller stuff like the shadow clone shuriken.

then naruto "surpassed" that guy...twice now 😐

Originally posted by Q99
I'll note Hiruzen using a death-god that eats souls

Right, that jutsu that killed him and can't be spammed.

and a monkey that turns into Goku's power poll.

So he can make a nice new staff. Versatile and practical, but not "I will now blow a hole through this mountain" lite.

And the giant summons, of which we saw the first even before the Hiruzen fight.

Right, the ones Pain can nearly kill with a gesture.

Kage-level jutsu were pretty impressive pretty fast. It's just they also could do smaller stuff like the shadow clone shuriken.

Here is the thing though: Naruto is not getting more skilled, nor are battles anymore being fought primarily with skill. It all comes down to who has the most raw power or the most broken technique.

we are on the same page

it's almost like a fight between wizards now

Well the jinchuruki fight required some kind of competent planning right?

But other than that Gai's reference was the light of this chapter.

Originally posted by NemeBro
It all comes down to who has the most raw power or the most broken technique.

Man, you'd think that hundreds of chapters ago, Kishimoto would have established the fact that the biju are superweapons used to turn the tides of the great ninja wars or provide balance to prevent war.

Stupid Kishimoto for never having brought that up hundreds of chapters ago. 313

Originally posted by NemeBro

Here is the thing though: Naruto is not getting more skilled, nor are battles anymore being fought primarily with skill. It all comes down to who has the most raw power or the most broken technique.

I dunno, planning still seems to involve a very large role, as does figuring out the opponent's jutsu.

I mean, getting inside an opponent's mouth was a recent needed tactic, as was figuring out how to get said opponent to barf, while secretly keeping one clone not-barfed up.

Or the 3rd Raikage fight, involved figuring out how to get the opponent take himself out.

Or the Pain fight, where he had to use a repeated series of tricks to block line of sight as well as others (rasenganing the ground to make large dust clouds. Getting into a frog's mouth. Expanding a rasenshuriken suddenly. Letting an enemy absorb his sage chakra. Using a shadow rasenshuriken and his normal clones to get close to Deva).

Compare to Bleach. With rare exception it really is about who can throw the largest blast/is strongest with a sword.

I mean, Naruto's not Shikamaru, sure, but there's regularly thinking and tricks used in each battle.

Originally posted by psycho gundam

it's almost like a fight between wizards now

Quite.

They're totally wizard/fighter/ninja. In different proportion depending on the individual.

Oh I know that Kishi brought it up ages ago.

But it's still boring as ****, dull, and uninteresting.

Maybe if Kishi could make fights like this interesting I wouldn't be complaining, but he clearly can't.

Originally posted by Q99
I mean, getting inside an opponent's mouth was a recent needed tactic, as was figuring out how to get said opponent to barf, while secretly keeping one clone not-barfed up.

I like it when you...talk dirty? 😕

Originally posted by Q99
Compare to Bleach. With rare exception it really is about who can throw the largest blast/is strongest with a sword.

This is probably why I like Kira. Almost all his fights are about brains and technique. His fights are more like old school Naruto fights. If he made some jokes every now and then, his fights might be my favorite Bleach fights.

Bleach is worse than Naruto in this, yes.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Bleach is worse than Naruto in this, yes.

I'm glad you made an official ruling on it. Now we can rest easy. 313

lol

Originally posted by dadudemon
I'm glad you made an official ruling on it. Now we can rest easy. 313

I know you insects fear, yet anticipate, my rulings, I do my best to oblige when I must.

😆

I'd say 'acceptable amount of cleverness to keep things interesting' varies from reader to reader.

Btw, what series do you consider better in this area?

(I know Negima is great for fight cleverness)