The Official Naruto series Thread

Originally posted by Nephthys
I never got why people constantly moan about 'its too DBZ'. I thought people like DBZ.

You guys are just grumpy assholes.

DBZ is good, but there were bad things about DBZ. I wouldn't mind the power creep if it didn't do one thing consistently: make secondary characters useless. Everybody loves Piccolo but he just magically disappeared in the late Buu saga, see the Cell Games; the same thing happened to Krillin, Tien, Yamcha -except nobody liked Yamcha anyways-.

Arguably you can have a power creep without making characters useless: look at One Piece. The SH crew is huge right now and they get into individual matches when it comes to action -it's been a while since we've seen them fight for real now, but it's still standard-, despite having huge power differences between each character. They even get into unlikely team battles from time to time.

And then there is the variety of powers and skills. Energy balls are cool and everything, but they are dumb weapons at the end. Naruto at it's best had calm fist, shadow jutsu, chakra bugs and even a Sharigan that was all about detection/analysis instead of spamming offensive/defensive broken jutsu. Arguably, the power creep makes less place for creative abilities being used and more giant massive attacks being spammed. This isn't interesting.

If you look closely at this, Naruto at its best managed just fine in all those respects. But now Kakashi's fights happen off panel...

Veritas was pretty decent with it, having a cast with versatile powers, as well as not particularly strong ones.

Negima's a really, really good one for low-powered stuff being useful.

Low-power humans with minor abilities prove crucial in battles with the main villains. Heck, sufficiently clever use of non-combat abilities has really saved the day on occasion.

Originally posted by Bentley

And then there is the variety of powers and skills. Energy balls are cool and everything, but they are dumb weapons at the end. Naruto at it's best had calm fist, shadow jutsu, chakra bugs and even a Sharigan that was all about detection/analysis instead of spamming offensive/defensive broken jutsu. Arguably, the power creep makes less place for creative abilities being used and more giant massive attacks being spammed. This isn't interesting.

I'll note that in Naruto's hands, rasengan are more than dumb weapons.

He does stuff like adjust rasenshuriken's size and redirect their flight paths, he brings enemies to them, he uses them to create visual cover, etc..

Naruto's not really one to just spam big attacks. Although Tobi, apparently, is.

You could say the same about Goku's blasts 😄

Mm, not to the same extent. 90% of the time kamehameha is just used to blast the enemy and he only occasionally uses the kinds of tricks Naruto uses regularly.

I've never read Negima. I have heard mixed opinions regarding it.

naruto didn't really get more skilled, he just got better at using his enharitance from his father.

sasuke got more far more skilled since part one, but then he just turned into a dojutsu spammer.

sasuke would annihilate naruto with out sharingan and bijuu usage getting in the way. i really see no salvation for naruto in that scenario, not even sage mode since sasuke already showed he could off him in the blink of an eye

Originally posted by NemeBro
I've never read Negima. I have heard mixed opinions regarding it.

Well, here's the thing. Writer's previous manga was a romantic-comedy manga, Love Hina. Publisher really wanted him to do another. So he started out with one, then swerved into fight by about vol 3, and kinda did a mix of the genres from that point on, with the fight amount increasing with time and getting progressively more awesome. And Akamatsu can write fights, and does so at a much denser, faster rate than any of the major shounen series. The longest fight in the series is a mere 4 chapters, and there's entire complex back-and-forth fights in one. There's a tournament arc and it only takes 2-3 volumes... with significant breaks in between the fights.

In addition to that, there's some of the best fights I've seen in shounen in there.

Also the anime's just horrible, fyi, and gets to none of the awesome bits. So that may be part of what you've heard about.

So if you either don't mind Love Hina type stuff or can put up with it, there's a lot of awesome there.

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naruto didn't really get more skilled, he just got better at using his enharitance from his father.

Isn't that what skill... is? Getting better at using stuff?

And just look at what he pulls with chakra hands- he's really skilled with those.

sasuke would annihilate naruto with out sharingan and bijuu usage getting in the way. i really see no salvation for naruto in that scenario, not even sage mode since sasuke already showed he could off him in the blink of an eye

Mm, Sasuke did that against a tired Naruto, and Sage mode increases, among other things, speed.

No sharingan, means Sasuke just has lightning and fire, while Naruto has sage, rasengan, rasenshuriken, clones.

That's a fight I'd give to Naruto pretty solidly.

Originally posted by Q99
Mm, not to the same extent. 90% of the time kamehameha is just used to blast the enemy and he only occasionally uses the kinds of tricks Naruto uses regularly.

I'd say it depends on the version of Goku, pre-saiyan saga he had very creative uses for the blast. Then he got cheap and lazy.

Edit: No Bijuu Naruto gets crappy chakra.

he didn't get cheap and lazy, his opponents got more powerful and regular ol' martial arts just wouldn't suffice.

I'm not really sure the term power creep applies here. Giant monsters capable of shooting big blasts of energy have been in the series since Chunin exam, and the Bijuu ball was introduced early on in Shippuden.

Do I personally care for this fight? Eh...in some ways yes and no. It's still got somewhat of a strategic element since Naruto is looking for the control rods rather than simply trying to kill all the Bijuu. But that's a small amount.

On the flipside, I'd be disappointed if the Bijuu were not casually destroying mountains and shit. That's kinda what they do. Naruto is just able to do it too. How horrible.

Its own eye in all likelihood. Semi-confirmed when we 'see' that eye again on the Moon (where the Juubi's body is sealed) when Tobi is telling the Kage about his Moon's Eye Plan.
Though I'm all for that eye being the Sage's to be honest. That way, when Sasuke gets the same eye, him and Naruto will form a direct relation to the two sons of the Sage, i.e. Sasuke is the eyes, Naruto is the body.

Yeah, I'm thinking SS too. I mean, he's better than Nagato or the Six Paths of Pain now, but not as good as Tobi or Madara. Faster than A for sure now. He batted them away after they had been fired, and he was next to the Hachibi when they fired them. That's an uber speed feat.

I think Aizen's faster. His Shikai is also incredibly broken. Dude should have in beaten Ichigo in all honesty, even if he was physically outclassed.
Post-Dangai Bankai Ichigo can bust mountains with just a sword swing, and he can bust open a Black Coffin construct with the back of his hand. Bijuu would need to use their most powerful attack just to do the former and to bust a Chibaku Tensei core.
Then there is Yamamoto who could bust a small city with one of his attacks.

Personally think its going to end up that way somehow. It probably is his eye too, or theres a prior relationship between the two. Opening new can of questions.

Scraping Madare's level at the very least. He's only a pumped Sasuke with a wood release.

Some guy calced him at Ma10 which sort of fits as he<Ichi speed<Ichi strike speed of 28.. probs above 10 though. Yeah but he kinda ****ed up after the power went to his head :/ Almost like he forgot about his other powers.. More a huge rock, hundred or so meters, and its < 4 Tails BBomb or FRS.

Originally posted by Bentley
I'd say it depends on the version of Goku, pre-saiyan saga he had very creative uses for the blast. Then he got cheap and lazy.

True.

I got no problem with the former, it's only the later that bugs me, and yea, I think Naruto has gotten more early-DBish with time, and as long as it doesn't get late DB-ish, with beam-of-wars all the time, I'm fine.

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We all like Deidara and he's another blasty fighter.

Deidera was a blasty character within moderation. Not some being with unparralled speed and the ability to match five mountain busters. Hell I was happy with the 6 to 8 tailed rampage against Pein but this is not pleasing to me. Mostly because Naruto is the one doing it.

However Naruto's recent developments due make me question somethings about Mito. I mean if Tobi's word about Mito is true, the she should've had the same degree of control Naruto has right now aside from being friends with it. Which makes me wonder why wasn't she fighting alongside the 2nd Hokage considering she could obliterate the enemy almost effortlessly.

She might very well have been.

We don't know a lot about the fighting during the 2nd's time after all. Or much of the 3rd's.

Mito doesn't have this mode. This mode comes from the teamwork between Kurama and Naruto. Kurama is helping him here, which is why Naruto is so WTF powerful. It's pretty clear that Mito and Kurama had a tense relationship, lacking in any sort of friendship.

I'm talking about the chakra cloak mode Naruto's been using for the longest. Tobi said she had the negative sensing perk that comes with it so she should've had that form of it.

Which would mean she could very well just rib people apart with chakra hands; making me wonder why she appears to be only a trophy whenever she's referred too.

She has that mode more likely that not. It's this mode and definitely this mode that she probably lacks.

Well she wouldn't have those modes since she wasn't friends with it.

Still could've made Tobirama's job a hell of a lot easier.

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka

Which would mean she could very well just rib people apart with chakra hands; making me wonder why she appears to be only a trophy whenever she's referred too.

She was referred to as a very powerful kunoichi. Plus we know the Uzumaki's seals were feared.

Personally, I'd bet there's quite a few S-class ninja we've never even heard of in those early years. Sure, there's the Senju bros and Mito, but in the days when the Sannin were young up-and-comers, there'd certainly be a few more major badasses we just don't know about.