USH'S MATRIX GAME FOURTH ASSIGNMENT (PHILOSOPHY PATH)- 'The Journey'

Originally posted by Ushgarak
"Would you care to explain to me how their love would be in any way the greater if their interaction was physical, Rade?"

You specified that their minds, AT LEAST< were in love, implying there was something non-mental that was missing.

"yes, this one's simple. Ofcourse there is. Even though they don't know it, and it doesn't make a difference for them, they're not REALLY kissing. That's the non-mental part"

"What difference does that make?"

"it doesn't, i said so"

"Then I repeat, you say 'at least' their minds can be in love- thus saying there is something missing from that. What more than their minds CAN be in love?"

"upon analysing every word i say, evn though i don't like it, i'm forced to resort to this short argument: You';re a machine, and however conditioned you could never possibly understand it. there...explaining everything is tiresome"

Rade- seriously, you are wrong. Machines are perfectly capable of both feeling and understanding emotions. The films make that perfectly clear ('Love is a word...'😉. So that line is unhelpful. They are sentient, just like you and your friends.

Not ALL Machines- some are not programmed to- but plenty are.

Also simply refusing to answer a question is a failure to engage. You cannot dodge the question on the idea Melitus will not understand- trust me, he will.

okay..then..let me rephrase.

"i was undelining the fact that their minds are inlove, merely upon the fact that their bodies have never met. You can see a person...and like how they look, not their residual image"

"But that is really no different in or out of the Matrix, is it? You can like a person's physical body, or their image in the Matrix... it is the same effect, is it not? And has the same relevance- or lack of- to love, in or out?"

"yes, i guss that's true. The phisical part in this is..neglijable, i admit"

"So... is there any tangible difference between love in, and out, of the Matrix?"

no

"So, love in the Matrix is real? It is not a lie?"

"Love is a lie, in here and in the real world"

no, love just is. it would be a lie if it would be based on false information. but in this case..it doesn't matter if it is false or not. The minds interract with eachother..everything else doesn't matter.
Social relations are the same as in the real world.

Your first paragraph makes no sense, Rade. If something just 'is' then it is true. If the love was false it would not be genuine and so it would not really be love. People CAN be fooled into thinking they are in love when they are not, you see it all the time. You canot divorce love from false or true- EVERYHING can have those terms applied to it. The second half of you statement goes towards saying it is true, as social interactions are the same.

Fire, in that case, Melitus wishes you to replace 'love' with 'friendship' and apply the same criteria.

"Love is real, as is friendship. That is based on the person and mind that you are loving or befriending, not the false world around you."

"Yet the person you fall in love with is part of that world," says Melitus. "Your feelings for that person are part of that world as well.

"Would you agree that this means that there are some things, even in the Matrix, which are exactly the same as they are in the physical world?"

"Friendship is also a lie, it is based on inaccurate data can be nomore than a calculated guess, tho chances are that you will guess right more often in the real world than in the matrix"