USH'S MATRIX GAME FOURTH ASSIGNMENT (PHILOSOPHY PATH)- 'The Journey'

If fate is my belief it is also the belief of the clone. That mean we both believe on is meant to live and the other to die. Distinguishing which is immpossible w/o finding a difference, not gonna go into that one again. One would have to conceed to the other but we cannot because if i conceed he will do the same and likewise.

Were the same in that. Established that. Only one of us can live. Neither of us can choose to die because the clone will do the same. We could ask someone else to do it. Couldnt we. there is only one Meltius, we could as him to choose one of us. He wouldnt comply though. The other characters are also duplicates so they would be mirrored also.

What did the oracle say. The act is not important, it is the why. Why are we mirrored by eahc other. Because meltius willed it so. Why did he do that? Because in some way this helps us understand jericho. We asked for that.

She also made it a very clear point that none of this is real. None of it. It is simple our minds. Its not physical or tangible. I'm not sure if that Helps any.

Anythgin I might elaborate on ush?

Not 'real' is part of the basic conundrum of the Matrix that underlies everything in a game like this. Of course, trouble is, it is real enough.

The Why thing is related to Jericho and you should understand that by the time the Path concludes.

But indeed yes. Your belief in fate simply means you are confident you will make the right choice for the right reasons... it sadly does not mean that the right thing happens automatically so you still have to go through with working that out- same wayt you still fight as hard as you can.

So nothing to build on there?

Nothing that leaps out of the page at me.

Ok, let me hit you with this- are you convinced that it is not YOUR time to die? Forget right now that there are two of you, and that you may be an AI. Is your belief in fate as such that you think that NOW, in this way, is not the way you are meant to die?

now....i can see that this shows us in a way that jericho (and co.) are clones of the original ones. Now..i don't know if they are so because of having passed through what we are dealing with, right now. If so...how could they all choose wrong and get the real one of their cases killed?
Perhaps they were convinced to do so...but..neeh....i'd better get back to saving my own ass 🙂

Ahhhhh... yes, very interesting from Dexx.

I'll update the rest of you with what I just conversed with him...

Dexx has brought up something very important, a possibility that has existed from the moment you saw your own clones. Of course, you know that Jericho and the others are Human- that is why Medea cannot help you; Jericho has her body held 'hostage' as it were, at the place Melitus hid the Bounty.

But far more relevantly- never forget what you are here for. You are here to understand Jericho. And Melitus said that if you want your coding removed, you have to follow the path Jericho took. You may ell want to consider what Jericho would have made of this, bearing in mind what you have learned.

The Oracle told you some thing important- that the Journey was more important than its end. Never forget that, unlike the Combat Path who are trying to achieve an ultimate victory, YOU guys are in a continual process of understanding- to get the 'Why?' the Oracle said you needed. When you look at this current situation, 'Why?' is obviously quite significant!

So long as you remember to keep learning about Jericho as time goes by, you are doing fine and this is a timely intervention by Dexx.

HOWEVER. Please do not get distracted. It is late in the day to be thinking about such things- your own predicament needs dealing with. Do not worry about Jericho unduly- the Path is not quite finished and you really do need to sort yourselves out first.

So- I have thrown a question at Castor and I think he may nearly be done, though I do not think he will be happy. Azrael- I hope you are back soon! Dexx... all very good, but we must find something better than random chance for you!

That is what I think, yes. I'm not completely convinced that no matter what happends I will live, but I think that (as you said before) it requires some work on my part. Which is why I am trying to figure this out. If I didnt believe it required work I would go with my first submission, which woud have klled me and the clone, Heh.

I know Jericho had a fact based mind. I think he would have tried to analyze the situation here to figure out a solution but thats just me.

As far as the journey, is there something perhaps in our path toward this room and our dealings with Meltius after the wine thing that could possibly be related to this.

I'm realy just trying to understand what I can so that I can mae osme sort of submission to keep my character alive. Heh.

Everything after the wine was related to this, but pretty much from the point you met the Oracle onwards the Phil path players have been hit with clues about Jericho's Why.

Ok Castor, so yes, we both agree that you do not think you are immortal, BUT you do not think it is your destiny to die this way.

In that case that leads me to this conclusion- you WILL NOT DRINK. There is no circumstance under which you will drink because you don't believe you are meant to die this way. Do you agree?

By ME you mean the Real Castor or the Both of them, because both of them believe they are the real one. When you say ME, I think the castor I have been playing for these past few assignments since the begining. We on the same page as regards to that?

If so, then yes.

Remember, I said try and forget about the other you for a moment. So just you, in isolation, you would not drink, no atter what- we are agreed, yes?

....Err...Im alittle hesistant to say. But I will go with yes, because thats what I would say if the circumstances were what you have placed before me.

Then it strikes me, Castor, that you have reached the logical extend of your argument.

You do not think that it is your destiny to die here from self-taken poison, and you have little intention of deliberately making such a thing happen. Therefore, no matter what, you will not be persuaded to drink. As this applies to your opposite number as well, the reason for the fruitlessness of your search becomes clear.

Neither of you will drink. Therefore there is no point in trying to find a way to distinguish which of you does.

While this may seem logical, and may infact be right. I cant accept such a solution because it means the destruction of both of us. That cant happen. One of us has to live. If that was the case then I'm certain one of us would sacrafce himself. I cant believe that there is no way to save myself.

But neither of you believe that YOU- as in the person doing the thinking- is meant to die like that, so your solution would always be for the other one do do it, and you will never persuade him to do so. That doesn't mean you WANT to both die; just neither of you will give.

If neither drinks, we both die. I cant accept that, thye oth know if neither drink they both die so incidentally one of them will try something...

Yes, but anything you try will be based around the fact that you yourself will not drink.

Like I say, you have reached the logical extent of the fate argument. If you really believe it... you won't kill yourself.

Well that argument cold be used to say that I must do something, because I do not believe I should de here, by my own hand perhaps and most definately by meltius' hand. More so his than mine. In fact, I believe that If I found my destiny to be to die, and it was in my own hands then that would be my fate. But the fact that meltius controls what is goin on goes against my belief in fate. I believe fate to b a matter decided by the choices you make. If meltius' situation were to kill me that would go against my beliefs, but to take my own life goes along wiht my belief that my fate is in my own hands somewhat (i.e. that I cannot just stand in the middle of a battle and expect to come out alive, I have to do something for myself.)..

I am pretty sure you would accept that Melitus CAN kill you; that doesn't mean you would DEFINITELY destroy your own fate by killing yourself.

I don't quite see the sense in you believing you could have a destiny to kill yourself but not to be killed by Melitus. You made choices to get here, after all- very definitvely so, in fact.

Of course, if you believe it is your fate to kill yourself here than by all means drink. But I don't think you DO think that.

I do belive my fate to be the subject fo my own doing, and such. If I believe I am to die, then it will be because I made a choice.I belive it is my fate to do what will ensure my real selfs survival. If that means killing myself then so be it, if it means not drinking then so be it. But not drinking seems to be a bad solution at this point because it will lead to death, therefore I have to explore other options.

But you think yuo are the real one...