USH'S MATRIX GAME FOURTH ASSIGNMENT (PHILOSOPHY PATH)- 'The Journey'

"Well, let us see if the others do better first."

"Same here they seem to be the same"

(well..yeah..i'm pretty sure ush didn't take the pics and added 5 white dots somewhere in there......it has to be something else)

you could say that one is a picture depicting something real. the other...a copy. a...simulation 😉

"In fact," says Melitus, "there are over 3000 differences between the two images. Why did you not point some of them out to me?"

"they appear to be the same could be that they are not but then I think it sn't a visual difference"

"There is a visual difference," says Melitus, "but it is beneath the threshold of your capacity to see."

"but still, they are there. there are stars in one, wich aren't in the other one"

"The difference is positional," says Melitus. "But indeed. You agree the differences exist independantly of your ability to perceive them, yes?"

"hmpf well we can not see everything, maybe if we saw the code"

(maybe they're from the real world, fire)
yes, ofcourse

(Yes, they are real world shots)

"So," says Melitus, "you accept that there is an important distinction between a difference in general, and a perceivable difference?"

"yes"

"Now, let me ask you this... are those over 3000 differences between the two images actually important to an observer in any way?"

"no not really, it is nice to know but not important, atleast not to us in this situation"

"Indeed," says Melitus, "the diffeence is academic. So we now have two important distinctions to 'difference'. Is the difference perceivable? And is the difference tangible?

"Return to the original question. What is the difference between the matrix and the Real World? Asnwer the question for both yourselves and for the inmatesd, and this time think about which of the differenced can be perceived, and which actually are tangible."

(care to explain what tangible means ush?)

As in a difference that matters or is important- the unperceivable difference in the starfield images was not tangible at all.

(Okie thanks)

Originally posted by Ushgarak

"you accept that there is an important distinction between a difference in general, and a perceivable difference?"

now..to your question.
If you look at it from that point of view, there is absolutely no difference between how we percieve the real world and how the inmates percieve the matrix. no difference can be tangible within the matrix, without KNOWING that it is a simulation, and what that implies.

"Rade, are you saying that there is no important distinction between a perceivable difference and an unperceivable difference? Because that is an unusual view if you do think that. The difference between the person who you notice hiding the gun and the one you don't could be your life.

You can respond to perceivable differences. You can never respond to ones you do not even notice. All differences you ever know about are perceivable. Isn't the fact that only important ones will ever actually be defined as differences important?

In any case, the distinction does exist, no matter what."

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"As to your other statement, I accept your view that there is no perceivable difference for an inmate. But could you further justify saying the differences are not tangible? Surely being overwritten by an Agent is tangible for any person. In fact, the level of control in the Matrix is tangible. It is a difference that can have severe effect on a person."