World of Warcraft

Originally posted by Ravencrest
"No, I'm not talking about the hammer. It's a spell granted in the Enhancement pane.
For the record, it grants an extra attack, plus increases nature (AKA Lightning spells) damage by 20%. This Shaman either had Elemental Mastery or Stormstrike, one of the two. Stormstrike can easily increase the crits to 2, maybe even 3 grand.

Don't see any 'panel pane' in there, sorry. I see 'Enhancement pane'.

How was it "weak"?

Oh, and welcome back 😉

Originally posted by $noopbert
I didn't mean the exact top.

Screenshot it if you're so confident that it exists.

Originally posted by DarkC
You mean my post today? I can't seem to find any 'panel pane' in there.

Screenshot it if you're so confident that it exists.

Originally posted by $noopbert
Oops, I didn't put a comma after panel. Silly me. 😐

Oh, and welcome back 😉

Sorry, mate....afraid I don't really remember you at all. Maybe it's just because you've had a crapload of usernames in the past. 😬

Quit bickering about stupid shit and get back on topic before I warn the whole lot of you.

Originally posted by $noopbert
Oops, I didn't put a comma after panel. Silly me. 😐

Oh, and welcome back 😉

And no. I actually did mean to type 'pane', not 'panel'. Talent 'panes', you know. World of Warcraft.

Originally posted by Ravencrest
Thanks, someone actually noticed I was gone? 😛

No, just noticed your join date and number of posts and assumed you were gone at one point.

Originally posted by DarkC
Oooooh.

And no. I actually did mean to type 'pane', not 'panel'. Talent 'panes', you know. World of Warcraft.

I didn't know. 😬

Pain in the dictionary is either the side of an object or like 'window-pane', or the panel to a wooden floor.

I assumed you meant panel because it'd be chosen from a menu or something.

Originally posted by $noopbert
No, just noticed your join date and number of posts and assumed you were gone at one point.

Then a couple of months later, I'm Googling Halo 3 and a KMC thread comes up, and I decide to try other sections of this place out.

Master Chief FTW!

Originally posted by Ravencrest
Yup, I was...being a Halo fan, the Master Chief vs. Samus Aran thread I found on Google perked my interest. 😊 Abandoned it pretty quickly though, things grew pretty childish in there.

Then a couple of months later, I'm Googling Halo 3 and a KMC thread comes up, and I decide to try other sections of this place out.

Master Chief FTW!

*coughs*

Back on topic, yes? As I just said?

Originally posted by Ravencrest
Why in the name of God are you giving the man a lecture in spelling and grammar when his is far superior than yours?

That is just....really moronic. On multiple levels.

Talk about hypocrites, sheesh. 🙄

do we have more than one person who cant read on here? god.. getting sick of this... REREAD IT PLZ... my post was mainly aimed at the ability to convey an idea or thought.. the grammar aspect of my post was asking him to show me what I got 'incorrect'.... obviously the both of you have multiple levels to traverse yourselves.. 🙂

Originally posted by DarkC
No, I'm not talking about the hammer. It's a spell granted in the Enhancement pane.
For the record, it grants an extra attack, plus increases nature (AKA Lightning spells) damage by 20%. This Shaman either had Elemental Mastery or Stormstrike, one of the two. Stormstrike can easily increase the crits to 2, maybe even 3 grand.

thats what I was talking about... the spell to allow an extra hit with melee weapons... comprehension for the win... /sigh

Originally posted by DarkC
Wrong. What have I told you about a friend of mine who powerlevelled by mostly solo quests? He said that he found it more effective to solo and not die than trusting himself to instances. If you don't have any close experience, either first or secondhand with powerlevelling (by that I mean getting a 60 in about two, three weeks.), don't assume you know everything about it and how effective it is, exactly.

lol @ not die while soloing.. was this on a PvP realm? I highly doubt it.. your friend woulda got ganked in the snap of a finger..

Originally posted by DarkC
If no one "as in society" wants to see it, then warlocks would be shunned completely. As in Thrall kicking their behinds out of Orgrimmar. Do you see that happening? No.

erm... warlocks started with orcs.. why would he kick them out?.. thats just retarded...

Originally posted by DarkC
All that's happening is that they prefer different types of magics, compared to demonic. It's not like it makes them completely evil.

Originally posted by DarkC
Dark magic consumes its user? Not always.

It's what is considered "dark" in the first place that would have to be taken into account. Demonic magic deals with dealing with the energy that feeds demonic sorcery. It doesn't make the user a demon themselves. They become more associated with demons, that's all. Besides, it's not like they're taking cues from any major demons.

Look at the necromancers from Diablo II. They deal in dark magic, the study of corpses. Everyone shuns them. They, as a single entity, fight evil with their magic. Are each unique, are they "true masters"? No.

Players cannot be considered masters because A.) it would be overpowering, and B.) Hero classes are a world of warcraft concept, and those have not come to actualization yet.. so there goes your whole point

Originally posted by DarkC
Don't twist my words. I brought up whether it was "worthwhile" or not, I didn't say whether it counted. Oh, and yes it does count. You simply don't believe it to be so. Why do you think the PvP armor sets are all for level 60's primarily, and some gear like the Sergeant's Cape, Scout's Tabard and Insignia of the Horde/Alliance are mostly specc'ed for lower levels? They're well earned, but not of any significant assistance to a 60.

ugh.. english for the win again... twisting is what DarkC does.. not satsujin.. world of warcraft is about options.. just because lower level pvp is rewarded doesnt mean its just as respectable as level 60's going at it..

Originally posted by DarkC
What "those people" are you talking about, you mean when he purged Stratholme? Those people were already zombies, even if Uther and Jaina believed different.

Yeah, that road consisted, in his mind, of saving his own people. What, do you think he'd honestly give up, go back home and let them live, possibly sealing his own fate? No. He was still a Paladin at the time, remember, he couldn't possibly have returned home with good conscience with the knowledge that the Undead were still at large; he would have destroyed them when he could. Even Muradin, who had seen him betray the mercenaries and lie blatantly to his men, still trusted him enough to follow him, up until his unfortunate death.

he followed him to the death because he currently held the title of prince and paladin.. 'doing anything you can' to stop something is very sith-like, if I were to relate this to another universe... uther wanted to keep his jedi defensive way... so basically arthas went retri-din >> deathknight.. while uther was still a holydin

so as you see he had a choice up until he grabbed the sword, yet he was driven by his goal of power.. so he just stepped all over people to get to it

Originally posted by DarkC
And I don't seem remembering to say that I thought this was "one of Blizzard's best stories ever". Don't pull things out of thin air. Is it a novel? No. I don't think it's a great story, but if they write it, it sticks. No question.

you dont "seem" remembering?.. must be some more of your golden 'grammar' I wasnt aware of... you said considering the circumstances, I wouldnt think anyone else could have stoked up a better story I dunno about anyone else here, but that sounds more than a bit of fanboy'ish glee to me...

Originally posted by DarkC
No, you didn't get what I just said. As usual.

lol... I personally dont find this surprising.. I dont know about anyone else

Originally posted by DarkC
That kind of garbage belongs in whatever off-topic forum they have. Why would you post a thread on class evolution of Paladins in there? I assume you posted it in Paladin discussion or in the General WoW Discussion. If so, then it's small wonder why it was closed. You probably didn't discuss it even if you were meaning, you were likely just criticising Blizzard's actions in general. At least, that's the way they probably took it.

Originally posted by DarkC
It amazes me that after all you've done to wonder on whether Paladins belong in this game, you still have one at level 60.

thats because I played since release?... the paladin class is deceitful in its layout... when you first start, til you're about level 50.. you have quite a considerable amount of power... but from 50 onward.. your power doesnt scale as well as everyone elses, with each level up... so honestly its one of those "you dont realise it til its too late" deals

Originally posted by DarkC
It's anti WoW because you're questioning Blizzard's actions on whether the Paladin belongs in the game.

After all they've done to create it? They read your thread and think that after all their work, it's all blown to the great beyond by some hotshot who questions their ability to create a class. Don't question what you can't do yourself.

Originally posted by DarkC
Yeah, that's because they don't have a primary role. You always have to have a warrior, a priest/resto Druid, DPS, and some caster. The remainder is moot. They weren't really built for grouping, as I've been repeating.

if they werent meant for grouping, why do you think blizzard created all of that +healing gear to cater to other players? theorycraft for the win, again..

Originally posted by DarkC
Blood - Elves
Blood - Knight

Then you probably get whatever crap there is, like Blood Mage, etc.

Oh wait, Blood Mage was already used. Kael was one in Frozen Throne, remember? The keyword comes after the initial title of "Blood". So focus on the word "Knight".

ugh... I didnt mean aesthetically... I meant what do you expect to come from this addition gameplay wise... 'why' is it such a grreeeaat thing to have this equal opportunity with the classes?

Originally posted by DarkC
No, that's a common misconception. The ranks that the spells of Holy Light and Healing Wave are not taught at the exact same levels as each other, nor have the same amount of ranks as one another, and the title of better healing spell tends to fluctuate. At level 60 it's the Shaman, seeing as how their Healing Wave is now rank ten, compared to the rank nine Holy Light. With the new level cap of 70, that's bound to change.

Why is it bound to change at level 70? For one, no one knows how the game mechanics will progress after level 60 yet. It's possible that you don't even learn new ranks of skills. Assuming you do, though, wouldn't each class get a new rank of their main healing spell? Keeping the Shaman on top. Not to mention the shaman's quick heal is infinitely better than the Paladin one.

Originally posted by DarkC
No, they can't be the main healer. Think about what you're saying. They're specc'ed for Elemental, meaning they'll be casting spells a lot. Do you honestly think they'd have enough mana left to be able to carry on as a main healer? And I'd say that the Paladin would have better physical DPS, considering the fact that they often carry a two hand hammer, Blessing of Might, etc.

Lies. You are factually wrong, I know they can be main healers because I've been in a group where an elemental specced shaman was the main healer. And this isn't a rare occurance, a skilled shaman, who manages their mana and times their heals properly can main heal, regardless of spec.

You seem to be forgetting that Shamans can also carry two handed weapons and have windfury weapon, which is just deadly.

Originally posted by DarkC
You said the amount of interest in the Blood Elves would be lacking compared to the Draenai. I've seen many people who seem to think that the Blood Elf racials will boost popularity in the Horde. That's why I brought it up.

And then you said that no racial ability would compare to a powerful class, so make up your mind. Blood Elves will be very popular at first, because they are a nice looking class and have a neat looking starting area. But once the novelty wears off, and people get to level 20, many will move on.

Originally posted by DarkC
Even if they're obsessed with the class, I really don't see why they would start up another of the same one just for the sake of it. Me, I'd get bored before I reached the double digits.

Doesn't matter if you understand why they'd do, people do do it. People make multiples of the same class just because they enjoy the class. I would get bored too, I don't understand it either, but people do do it.

Originally posted by DarkC
Hahaha, I suppose that might be the case for many. That's another thing I heard of, "prettying" up the Horde and "uglying" up the Alliance. And as I said, that's not the main basis

Basis for what?

Originally posted by DarkC
I can't think of three Horde zones that look the same, with only "different colors" to tell them apart. Which ones are you referring to, Tirisfal and Silverpine? The new Horde's newly formed, remember, there's nothing incredibly serious that's threatening to tear it asunder. Plus, boring as the lore may seem, it's probably supposed to be that way as well. Like in the Barrens, for example. Find it boring? Fine. At least acknowledge why it's that way.

Durotar, Barrens (worst zone in the game, poorly laid out, way to big, ugly, boring, redundant, lazy and generic quests and too many loudmouthed teenagers ruining the general chat) and Thousand Needles all look about the same. Just rocky, desert zones.

Originally posted by DarkC
Not really. I started to bore from all the "Defias Brotherhood" quests really fast. There's not too much variety in it, seeing as it's so "static".

At least there's a story beyond "kill these quillbore because they're stealing our shit, and kill these Zhevras because they're kinda annoying".

Originally posted by DarkC
Maybe not the actual storyline. But it's evidently clear that the matter is actually important enough to concern the Warchief himself. If, say, the better chunk of the Defias quests came from General Marcus Jonathan, it'd be more interesting. With Thrall, you actually feel that you're doing something of importance.

Yeah, it makes sense too, the warchief, arguably the most powerful being on Azeroth, is concerned about some level 12 warlocks on a cave. Totally works. Killing things that are so obviously out of his level range and who would totally kill him really makes the quest feel important. Those level 12's would **** him up bad.

Originally posted by DarkC
Hell, the quests from him were grey for me a really long time ago and I'm just doing it because it peaks my interest.

Sweet, didn't know killing some meany orcs in robes was all that engaging. Whatever floats your boat, though.

Originally posted by DarkC
No, no, no. Ragefire Chasm is not just "some cave". Wailing Caverns is a cave. Have you even been through the thing all the way through to the end? It's at least twice as aesthetically pleasing as the stockades, which have a distinctively cramped feel to them. RFC reminds me of Blackrock Depths.

Dude, it's a ****ing prison, of course it's going to be cramped. What are you expecting? Open spaces with flowers and happy faces on some big beautiful trees. Come on. As you said, you don't like it, fine, at least acknowledge WHY it's like that.

Yes, I've been through RFC. Nothing special. It's a colorful cave with a maze in it. It's at least twice as aesthetically pleasing as Stockades? Hmmm, I dunno, I think it might be four times as aesthetically pleasing, or maybe five. I dunno, I should probably get my calculator and figure it out. Stockades isnt' supposed to be aesthetically pleasing, it's a prison. It's a hallway with a bunch of rooms. I dunno what prisons you're used to, but I've never seen one that's aesthetically pleasing at all.

Originally posted by DarkC
Considering that I was in Tanaris through most of my 40's....quite a shitload.

Sure, you can sell them. But they don't always have the potential to make money. The Lightforge Belt, for example, I bought at the normal faction AH for just that when I was hoping to make some money. It took four times to just sell it, and it proved to be more of a deficit than a profit anyways.

Well, what the hell were you thinking? Why would you buy something on the popular auction house and put it on the smaller cross faction AH? That's your bad, dude. If you just find a lightforge belt on the horde, and throw it on cross faction AH, you can make a decent amount of gold. Or you can give it to an enchanter friend and have them disenchant and sell or use the item you get.

Originally posted by DarkC
Yes, I'm sure that Blizzard made the idea after not contemplating the pros and cons and ultimately deciding to go with a branded "shitty" idea. We can speculate as much as we want, but we still won't know for sure until it's been tested.

No, I know for sure right now that it's a pisspoor explanation for an even worse idea. Don't need to play one to figure that out. I can tell from their obviously rushed, lazy explanation.

Originally posted by DarkC
And orc magic is strictly either shamanistic (natural magic that they learned in Draenor) or demonic (Warlock cults.) They're too stubborn and rigid. Why on Earth would they suddenly decide to take a venture in Holy magic? Leave that to the trolls, they're infinitely more adaptable in that sort of thing.

According to the prior games, sure. But as we've seen already, all bets are off now, it seems. Prior lore means nothing. They've changed things up before, they're doing it now with their allowance of Blood Elf Paladins, which makes just as little sense lore-wise as Orc Paladins.

Originally posted by DarkC
I don't lie in debates, it's stupid, not to mention useless.

Good to hear, so you just didn't understand what I said then.

Originally posted by DarkC
And I thought they stole it, remember? They're not "worshipping" shit at all.

Yes, so why would the gods allow them to use this mysteriously stolen holy power?

Just a Question.

Backfire, You Still play on Dethros?

And also... I think you guys are taking this way too far. Its a Game, Just enjoy it. If you don't like Paladins being Blood Elves, Don't play one. You Guys are making this out to be like the Game was going to be destroyed over it, which its not. Just Enjoy it!

Originally posted by SaTsuJiN
do we have more than one person who cant read on here? god.. getting sick of this... REREAD IT PLZ... my post was mainly aimed at the ability to convey an idea or thought.. the grammar aspect of my post was asking him to show me what I got 'incorrect'.... obviously the both of you have multiple levels to traverse yourselves.. 🙂

Nope, you were lecturing him on grammar, at least that part. Which is why I quoted that specific part in the first place.

You Guys are all bickering like little kids.

Originally posted by SaTsuJiN
do we have more than one person who cant read on here? god.. getting sick of this... REREAD IT PLZ... my post was mainly aimed at the ability to convey an idea or thought.. the grammar aspect of my post was asking him to show me what I got 'incorrect'.... obviously the both of you have multiple levels to traverse yourselves.. 🙂

Which parts are 'incorrect'? Well, for starts, your run-on sentences blare out at me like a strobe light.

Originally posted by SaTsuJiN
thats what I was talking about... the spell to allow an extra hit with melee weapons... comprehension for the win... /sigh

Which you think is more important for a Shaman?
A.) Grants an extra attack on your next swing.
B.) The next two Nature attacks you cast have their damage increased by 20%.

Plus, it can stack multiple times, seeing as how it only has a duration of 12 seconds. As I said, it can greatly increase the damage of a lightning bolt.

Originally posted by SaTsuJiN
lol @ not die while soloing.. was this on a PvP realm? I highly doubt it.. your friend woulda got ganked in the snap of a finger..

Once again, you assume far too much.

Originally posted by SaTsuJiN
erm... warlocks started with orcs.. why would he kick them out?.. thats just retarded...

Just because they "started" with orcs means he can't kick them out? What sort of notion is that? This is a new generation of orc, SaTsuJiN, this isn't the bloodthirsty Horde from the second war. Hell, Drek'Thar himself in Lord of the Clans even said "They are like empty cups, Thrall, that were once filled with poison. Now they cry out to be filled with something wholesome again."

From that, it's evident that the one form of magic that the orcs highly stress is Shamanism. Thrall probably only permits warlocks because A.) They don't have any dealings with major demons and are only using their form of magic, and B.) They're sworn servants to him.

Originally posted by SaTsuJiN
Players cannot be considered masters because A.) it would be overpowering, and B.) Hero classes are a world of warcraft concept, and those have not come to actualization yet.. so there goes your whole point

Of course 'hero' classes are a WoW concept, so how could you have 'ordinary' people to compare it to? The dude in Azshara is one, I suppose. As are the warlock trainers and etc.

Originally posted by SaTsuJiN
ugh.. english for the win again... twisting is what DarkC does.. not satsujin.. world of warcraft is about options.. just because lower level pvp is rewarded doesnt mean its just as respectable as level 60's going at it..

It's respectable at the time if you're fighting someone of the same level. To you, a 60, you probably see it as ants going against each other.

Originally posted by SaTsuJiN
he followed him to the death because he currently held the title of prince and paladin.. 'doing anything you can' to stop something is very sith-like, if I were to relate this to another universe... uther wanted to keep his jedi defensive way... so basically arthas went retri-din >> deathknight.. while uther was still a holydin

Originally posted by SaTsuJiN
so as you see he had a choice up until he grabbed the sword, yet he was driven by his goal of power.. so he just stepped all over people to get to it

As I said, retreating back to Lordaeron would have made him look like a failure. What would you have done in his position, try to end this farce once and for all and return home triumphant or go back home, knowing that they'll strike back one day anyways?

Originally posted by SaTsuJiN
you dont "seem" remembering?.. must be some more of your golden 'grammar' I wasnt aware of... you said [b] considering the circumstances, I wouldnt think anyone else could have stoked up a better story I dunno about anyone else here, but that sounds more than a bit of fanboy'ish glee to me...[/b]

No, it's logic, not crude "fanboyism". Honestly, if you think they did such a shitty job adapting the lore, I personally dare you to go and think up a better story.

Originally posted by SaTsuJiN
lol... I personally dont find this surprising.. I dont know about anyone else

Originally posted by SaTsuJiN
not at all... discussing the mechanics of the paladin belongs in the paladin forum... its garbage in YOUR opinion but to some others its an issue thats alive and well...

It may be an issue that's alive and well, but I'll be damned if Blizzard lets conspiracy talk of that magnitude carry on in their own forums. Think of them closing it as saying: "Hey guys, the Paladin is what it is; no questions asked."

Originally posted by SaTsuJiN
thats because I played since release?... the paladin class is deceitful in its layout... when you first start, til you're about level 50.. you have quite a considerable amount of power... but from 50 onward.. your power doesnt scale as well as everyone elses, with each level up... so honestly its one of those "you dont realise it til its too late" deals

Originally posted by SaTsuJiN
'all' they've done.. is nerf the class from beta til now... its not hard to change numerical values.. dont question what? that their theory-craft failed in the end?... it was a simple question.. and the fact that they closed it speaks volumes about their character

Then about five hundred thousand players roar in outrage. Think of it situation that way.

Originally posted by SaTsuJiN
[sarcasm]can you name some other classes that werent meant for grouping?[/sarcasm]

if they werent meant for grouping, why do you think blizzard created all of that +healing gear to cater to other players? theorycraft for the win, again..

Notice how I said "built"? Not "meant", as you so clearly stated? They're two different things. Sure, +healing gear helps other players, but that's only a sidenote; it's not a main focus. More often than not, it also comes with intellect, stamina, strength, etc; those aren't exactly to cater to others. Considering that they only wear plate at later levels.

Originally posted by SaTsuJiN
ugh... I didnt mean aesthetically... I meant what do you expect to come from this addition gameplay wise... 'why' is it such a grreeeaat thing to have this equal opportunity with the classes?

Well, I was happy that I wouldn't have to transfer to Alliance just to play a Paladin, for a start.

So, I just got this Editing Program From one of my friends (taft) and I decided I'm going to make some movies for the WoW Movie Contest. If People Want to help out, PM Me.

Originally posted by Ravencrest
"grammar on a forum? dont make me laugh... are you talking about how I use periods to traverse into a pause before saying something, instead of abruptly ending each sentence with a period?.. and no I dont use commas before n and t for dont because its a waste of my time... "spelling" you say?... capitolization is not spelling... just FYI...thats another state of grammar... and what exactly did I spell wrong?.... and I really hope you're not referring to a typo for your backup.. that would be a level of sad that defies the fabric of sadness"

Nope, you were lecturing him on grammar, at least that part. Which is why I quoted that specific part in the first place.

yes, do notice how you pulled out the chunk about conveying ideas... and admit to it... way to help your argument 🙂

Originally posted by DarkC
Sure. If it was "mainly" the point being conveyed, you wouldn't have spouted all that nonsense about certain types of grammar being wrong (which, a lot of them are.)

Which parts are 'incorrect'? Well, for starts, your run-on sentences blare out at me like a strobe light.

those.. as I've said are just my style of typing.... it really has nothing to do the inability to communicate through lack of grammar... you're sheerly basing everything on formality as opposed to clarity

Originally posted by DarkC
You have only yourself to thank for that. You said "isn't that for 2H shamans?" YOu never specified whether it was for a spell or it was an item. "Comprehension for the win", indeed!

Which you think is more important for a Shaman?
A.) Grants an extra attack on your next swing.
B.) The next two Nature attacks you cast have their damage increased by 20%.

Plus, it can stack multiple times, seeing as how it only has a duration of 12 seconds. As I said, it can greatly increase the damage of a lightning bolt.

Yes, you said stormstrike.. and as far as I know, thats the tree with the talent to use 2h weapons... and I believe the tree as a whole to be more beneficial to shamans with 2-handers.. so we were on the same page, yes?

Originally posted by DarkC
Come to think of it, he was on a PvP server. And he was also a Subtlety-trained rogue with plenty of Flash Powder. Which allows him to evade ganking substantially more than other classes, I imagine.

Once again, you assume far too much.

heh.. I thought you were gonna give stunning evidence of being able to powerlevel a paladin... rogues are a whole different ballgame, as their tools allow them to consistently adapt with a changing situation

Originally posted by DarkC
No, it's not.

Just because they "started" with orcs means he can't kick them out? What sort of notion is that? This is a new generation of orc, SaTsuJiN, this isn't the bloodthirsty Horde from the second war. Hell, Drek'Thar himself in Lord of the Clans even said "They are like empty cups, Thrall, that were once filled with poison. Now they cry out to be filled with something wholesome again."

From that, it's evident that the one form of magic that the orcs highly stress is Shamanism. Thrall probably only permits warlocks because A.) They don't have any dealings with major demons and are only using their form of magic, and B.) They're sworn servants to him.

well.. "poison" according to you seems to be what one chooses to do with the demonic magic.. rather than the magic being demonic itself. Throwing away warlock'ism would be throwing away one of their oldest cultures.. and horde dont really have the luxury of throwing away another discipline at this rate... what with the undead plotting for a backstab and blood elves using them for their power

Originally posted by DarkC
It's not overpowering to have the ability to resist corruption from dark magic. I don't talk of the necromancers as in the ones that players specifically control, I talk of their Order. Servants of Rathma. People consider them dark and evil, pretty much all of them are fighting for the cause of good.

Of course 'hero' classes are a WoW concept, so how could you have 'ordinary' people to compare it to? The dude in Azshara is one, I suppose. As are the warlock trainers and etc.

So then, Rathma would have to be some kind of well-mannered demon? ... and yes, the only way I could see players having that kind of mastery over demonology is through hero classes

Originally posted by DarkC
If I don't understand something you just said, it's most likely because you worded it wrong or mistunderstood me in the first place. And I don't suppose you know the number of times I thought to myself: "No, that's not what I said."

interesting... because its not just you that does this.. people in the vs forums love to 'twist' things if it goes into their favor.... if thats not your intention, then my apologies

Originally posted by DarkC
It's respectable at the time if you're fighting someone of the same level. To you, a 60, you probably see it as ants going against each other.

Like I said, lower level pvp becomes more of a race to get your class' 'best skill' at the lowest possible level... sheep at level 8 is just an example

Originally posted by DarkC
And Muradin, at the time, held the title as Prince of Ironforge as the brother of Magni. Why else do you think he was a 'Mountain King'? He had no direct obligation to assist Arthas if his faith in Arthas fell. He had to believe in Artha's cause to have followed him, which is what happened.
Uther remained pure, correct. Arthas turned corrupt eventually, correct. Your point?

My point is that he was stepping on everyone that would take him there.. displaying obivous traits of a death knight long before he even touched the sword

Originally posted by DarkC
He didn't have a choice.

As I said, retreating back to Lordaeron would have made him look like a failure. What would you have done in his position, try to end this farce once and for all and return home triumphant or go back home, knowing that they'll strike back one day anyways?

Yes this is true.. but its all about story dynamic... either remain and become death knight... or go home a normal pally without the power of an epic weapon to cut down the dread lord

Originally posted by DarkC
More immature accusations.

No, it's logic, not crude "fanboyism". Honestly, if you think they did such a shitty job adapting the lore, I personally dare you to go and think up a better story.

the fact that they had to strenuate themselves to create this lore, shows that the action that preceeded it was inappropriate

Originally posted by DarkC
Yeah, exactly. It seems you misunderstood me again. I meant that the garbage was the "zomg I have popcorn stuck up my nose" examples you gave. Not the Paladin thread. Are we clear on that? Good.

interesting ... because nearly two replies ago you said something to the effect that you would have banned me for a year if said anti-wow garbage was in your forum.. something to that effect.... but yes we are quite clear....

Originally posted by DarkC
It may be an issue that's alive and well, but I'll be damned if Blizzard lets conspiracy talk of that magnitude carry on in their own forums. Think of them closing it as saying: "Hey guys, the Paladin is what it is; no questions asked."

IMO its more like them saying "Dont ask questions about anything in this game!... give us your money and shut the hell up!", which is why I asked the players and not the blues... I already knew their answer

Originally posted by DarkC
If you're so opposed to this level of power transfer, then why haven't you just transferred everything to an alt and deleted him? I would have long expected you to do that by now.

Well... because while it took 'more' work than it would have taken other classes to have decent burst dps.. I've managed so far.. stacking crit % gear, my paladin has 26% melee crit

Originally posted by DarkC
😆 This is living proof you don't get what I mean.

Notice how I said "built"? Not "meant", as you so clearly stated? They're two different things. Sure, +healing gear helps other players, but that's only a sidenote; it's not a main focus. More often than not, it also comes with intellect, stamina, strength, etc; those aren't exactly to cater to others. Considering that they only wear plate at later levels.

ok so you were simply referring to gear without saying so.. a sidenote?... how often do you see paladins 'not' heal in a group? oh thats right you dont see them at all 🙂 ... that type of gear you mentioned is basically lending itself more towards allowing you to be a combat healer

Originally posted by DarkC
I recall you making a deal out of the Blood Elves calling their Paladins Blood Knights. I responded.

Well, I was happy that I wouldn't have to transfer to Alliance just to play a Paladin, for a start.

I would think a "Blood Knight" should have different aspects to it if they're going to give it such a different name... as for what good could come of this.. I personally dont see anything notable.. because of course.. everyones solution to one another is to 'reroll' for some reason

Originally posted by SaTsuJiN
yes, do notice how you pulled out the chunk about conveying ideas... and admit to it... way to help your argument 🙂

Originally posted by SaTsuJiN
those.. as I've said are just my style of typing.... it really has nothing to do the inability to communicate through lack of grammar... you're sheerly basing everything on formality as opposed to clarity

Originally posted by SaTsuJiN
Yes, you said stormstrike.. and as far as I know, thats the tree with the talent to use 2h weapons... and I believe the tree as a whole to be more beneficial to shamans with 2-handers.. so we were on the same page, yes?

Originally posted by SaTsuJiN
heh.. I thought you were gonna give stunning evidence of being able to powerlevel a paladin... rogues are a whole different ballgame, as their tools allow them to consistently adapt with a changing situation

Originally posted by SaTsuJiN
well.. "poison" according to you seems to be what one chooses to do with the demonic magic.. rather than the magic being demonic itself. Throwing away warlock'ism would be throwing away one of their oldest cultures.. and horde dont really have the luxury of throwing away another discipline at this rate... what with the undead plotting for a backstab and blood elves using them for their power

Hahahahaha, another nonsense notion. Their "oldest" cultures? Don't talk silly. On Draenor, orc magic had been strictly elemental and Shamanistic for centuries before they were used as the pawns of the Burning Legion. They were a very noble race. Compared to Shamanism, Warlocks are relatively new.

Why would the Undead backstab the Horde? It'd be them against the world, when they're trying to get back against Arthas too. It'd be a very stupid idea. The Blood Elves weren't using them for their power either. They were trying to be accepted back into the Alliance, who rejected them. It's more like the other way around, the Horde's using the Blood Elves for their power.

Originally posted by SaTsuJiN
So then, Rathma would have to be some kind of well-mannered demon? ... and yes, the only way I could see players having that kind of mastery over demonology is through hero classes

So, in your sense, people could only resist being consumed by their own magic if they were 'heroes'? Absurd.

Originally posted by SaTsuJiN
interesting... because its not just you that does this.. people in the vs forums love to 'twist' things if it goes into their favor.... if thats not your intention, then my apologies

And no. I call things as I see it.

Originally posted by SaTsuJiN
Like I said, lower level pvp becomes more of a race to get your class' 'best skill' at the lowest possible level... sheep at level 8 is just an example

Originally posted by SaTsuJiN
My point is that he was stepping on everyone that would take him there.. displaying obivous traits of a death knight long before he even touched the sword

If you were in his position, would you rather prefer having another settled region turning into a burning Plagueland? I think not.

Originally posted by SaTsuJiN
Yes this is true.. but its all about story dynamic... either remain and become death knight... or go home a normal pally without the power of an epic weapon to cut down the dread lord

Originally posted by SaTsuJiN
the fact that they had to strenuate themselves to create this lore, shows that the action that preceeded it was inappropriate

And I've said this before; they didn't do this based on the lore, they did it in terms of game mechanics. The lore may be controversial, but they did their best to adapt.

Originally posted by SaTsuJiN
interesting ... because nearly two replies ago you said something to the effect that you would have banned me for a year if said anti-wow garbage was in your forum.. something to that effect.... but yes we are quite clear....

Originally posted by SaTsuJiN
IMO its more like them saying "Dont ask questions about anything in this game!... give us your money and shut the hell up!", which is why I asked the players and not the blues... I already knew their answer

Originally posted by SaTsuJiN
Well... because while it took 'more' work than it would have taken other classes to have decent burst dps.. I've managed so far.. stacking crit % gear, my paladin has 26% melee crit

Originally posted by SaTsuJiN
ok so you were simply referring to gear without saying so.. a sidenote?... how often do you see paladins 'not' heal in a group? oh thats right you dont see them at all 🙂 ... that type of gear you mentioned is basically lending itself more towards allowing you to be a combat healer

Hahahaha....assuming again, are we? Didn't I tell you that I play Alliance on a different server? They heal, true, but if there's a priest in the group they don't nearly have to as much. I didn't say they didn't heal at all in a group, they're just not nearly as effective at it as a priest or a restoration Druid.

Originally posted by SaTsuJiN
I would think a "Blood Knight" should have different aspects to it if they're going to give it such a different name... as for what good could come of this.. I personally dont see anything notable.. because of course.. everyones solution to one another is to 'reroll' for some reason