Originally posted by SaTsuJiN
- Stormstrike is for 2-hander shamans isnt it? (well.. more effective for 2-handers at least)... he didnt slap her once.. just the good old chain lightning into some shocks
No, I'm not talking about the hammer. It's a spell granted in the Enhancement pane.
For the record, it grants an extra attack, plus increases nature (AKA Lightning spells) damage by 20%. This Shaman either had Elemental Mastery or Stormstrike, one of the two. Stormstrike can easily increase the crits to 2, maybe even 3 grand.
Originally posted by SaTsuJiN
- I didnt say grouping makes you hardcore ( /sigh... ) ... I said you get a group exp bonus tacked on to your regular and rest exp... so while it can be 'cool' to solo... its not as efficient as it sounds
Wrong. What have I told you about a friend of mine who powerlevelled by mostly solo quests? He said that he found it more effective to solo and not die than trusting himself to instances. If you don't have any close experience, either first or secondhand with powerlevelling (by that I mean getting a 60 in about two, three weeks.), don't assume you know everything about it and how effective it is, exactly.
Originally posted by SaTsuJiN
- When people dont practice stuff out in the open... its quite clear to see that its because noone (as in society) wants to see it... it really has nothing to do with 'keeping to oneself'
If no one "as in society" wants to see it, then warlocks would be shunned completely. As in Thrall kicking their behinds out of Orgrimmar. Do you see that happening? No.
All that's happening is that they prefer different types of magics, compared to demonic. It's not like it makes them completely evil.
Originally posted by SaTsuJiN
- Interesting.. I already mentioned demonology is a study of demons.. and you still havent made a good refute on how "Dark magic consumes its wielder"... there are a very few rare cases where it doesnt... those are true masters.. like that NPC dude out in azshara who has two or more felhunter pets heh
Dark magic consumes its user? Not always.
It's what is considered "dark" in the first place that would have to be taken into account. Demonic magic deals with dealing with the energy that feeds demonic sorcery. It doesn't make the user a demon themselves. They become more associated with demons, that's all. Besides, it's not like they're taking cues from any major demons.
Look at the necromancers from Diablo II. They deal in dark magic, the study of corpses. Everyone shuns them. They, as a single entity, fight evil with their magic. Are each unique, are they "true masters"? No.
Originally posted by SatsuJiN
- "Noob" pvp doesnt count because its all a race to see who gets the better skills first... i.e. a level 8 mage will be sheeping everyones ass while level 8 everyone else has crap skills to defend themselves with... level 60 the only excuse is gear, which is why I have much more respect for it
Nonsense.
Don't twist my words. I brought up whether it was "worthwhile" or not, I didn't say whether it counted. Oh, and yes it does count. You simply don't believe it to be so. Why do you think the PvP armor sets are all for level 60's primarily, and some gear like the Sergeant's Cape, Scout's Tabard and Insignia of the Horde/Alliance are mostly specc'ed for lower levels? They're well earned, but not of any significant assistance to a 60.
Just because someone is at the cap level out of, say, 20-29 doesn't mean they'll automatically go running around Juggernaut-style and killing everything. You assume far too much.
Originally posted by SaTsuJiN
- Ok so, if Warlock-ism is sooooo similar.. why arent we getting blood elves?.. wouldnt it only be appropriate that if we accept the practices of demonology, but on a hush-hush level, that we would also accept those who feed off of its power?
Because while the concept still seems familiar, the Blood Elves aren't just proud of their abilities. They
lust for more with some kind of insane obsession. Warlocks aren't crazy on that kind of scale.
Originally posted by SaTsuJiN
- I'm pretty sure arthas killed those people in their sleep long before acquiring frostmourne... after acquiring frostmourne, he became a deathknight, and ganked his father... the character must traverse a road before coming to that climactic point of having his whole persona changed entirely... and his road was obsession with saving his people that twisted into a sortof "I'll stop at nothing to kill them all" (meaning the scourge and Tichondrius(?))... of course 'stopping at nothing' meant throwing aside any regard for other peoples lives- He merely took frostmourne for more power, which was the final seal on his fate.. he had intended to kill scourge with it yes.. but as I said above was still in his "I'll stop at nothing" state of mind.
What "those people" are you talking about, you mean when he purged Stratholme? Those people were already zombies, even if Uther and Jaina believed different.
Yeah, that road consisted, in his mind, of saving his own people. What, do you think he'd honestly give up, go back home and let them live, possibly sealing his own fate? No. He was still a Paladin at the time, remember, he couldn't possibly have returned home with good conscience with the knowledge that the Undead were still at large; he would have destroyed them when he could. Even Muradin, who had seen him betray the mercenaries and lie blatantly to his men, still trusted him enough to follow him, up until his unfortunate death.
Originally posted by SaTsuJiN
well to answer that.. you seemed to be eager to let me know that giving paladin to horde... blood elves of all people... was a totally logical step-forward in developement.. and perhaps one of blizzards best stories ever.. according to your discussion with backfire
That's right. I do think it's a good step.
And I don't seem remembering to say that I thought this was "one of Blizzard's best stories ever". Don't pull things out of thin air. Is it a novel? No. I don't think it's a great story, but if they write it, it sticks. No question.
Originally posted by SaTsuJiN
- so talking... on a forum where people talk / discuss / gab / blabber on such things as "I have popcorn in my nose" and "what are you listening to right now omgz"... discussing the class evolution (Yes, we could be talking about other aspects of the game) of an MMO.. one thats played by 50% of all MMO'ers.. does not count for a meaningful discussion?... I know I'm clear on that.. how about you? 🙂
what do you mean "The correct answer is no" ?... I didnt fossilize a correct answer within the dark recesses of my "evil" thread... I truely wanted to know what people thought.. especially the people who took a paladin to level 60...
No, you didn't get what I just said. As usual.
That kind of garbage belongs in whatever off-topic forum they have. Why would you post a thread on class evolution of Paladins in there? I assume you posted it in Paladin discussion or in the General WoW Discussion. If so, then it's small wonder why it was closed. You probably didn't discuss it even if you were meaning, you were likely just criticising Blizzard's actions in general. At least, that's the way they probably took it.
It amazes me that after all you've done to wonder on whether Paladins belong in this game, you still have one at level 60.
Originally posted by SaTsuJiN
- How is this Anti-WoW again? lol... they seemed to have a "Vision" of what they wanted paladin to be... I wanted to know if the current paladin, the seed of said vision, felt like it had any real place among these uber classes, that can talent and become strong in whatever area they wish
It's anti WoW because you're questioning Blizzard's actions on whether the Paladin belongs in the game.
After all they've done to create it? They read your thread and think that after all their work, it's all blown to the great beyond by some hotshot who questions their ability to create a class. Don't question what you can't do yourself.
Originally posted by SaTsuJiN
Because my main concern with the paladin class is its inability to become great at a particular area, even though you invest all of your talent points in it.. where as a warrior (the best Tank, best DPS) and the priest (best heals, best DPS) can achieve these goals through talents
Yeah, that's because they don't have a primary role. You always have to have a warrior, a priest/resto Druid, DPS, and some caster. The remainder is moot. They weren't really built for grouping, as I've been repeating.
Originally posted by SaTsuJiN
So what exactly do you believe can come from such a ludicrous thing as a blood elf being paladin.. (who even blizzard themselves have named Blood Knight) ?
Blood - Elves
Blood - Knight
Then you probably get whatever crap there is, like Blood Mage, etc.
Oh wait, Blood Mage was already used. Kael was one in Frozen Throne, remember? The keyword comes after the initial title of "Blood". So focus on the word "Knight".